You can live in your own house if you rent a whole unit as opposed to renting just a room and staying with a landlord.

I am not attached to cataloguing division, I will be attached to a professor to assist in research.... I was quite surprised to know a LIBRARIAN position is listed in top 100 well-paid in Singapore workforce.....more detail click here

This post has been edited by chowdm: Mar 22 2011, 03:41 PM

So you just research on literature?

Hi guys I will be starting my work in Singapore next Tuesday as an Assistant Project Engineer.

I kinda just found out that I will have the 'Assistant' tag in front (the job was advertised as Project Engineer) and they're paying me a pretty measly probation pay of $2200 although I have a Masters degree. But I am a fresh grad with no prior working experience and I thought that it still beats the offers I get from Malaysia, so yeah.

Would you guys take the job, under these circumstances?

As they say, exp is king in engineering field. Coz they cant teach you everything there is to know, you have to experience it yourself.

at SGD2,200, if you are looking for overseas experience & not $ (you do not need to support family, no loan, single), then u should consider seriously to take it.

just for accommodation you need to pay minimum monthly SGD 4xx-6xx, depends on location and size & facilities. transport around SGD1xx-2xx. meals depends on individual. entertainment depends on individual.
daily groceries depend on individual.

just know singapore companies (some chinaman type) always ask for malaysians as cheap labour.
pls becareful when job hunting sometimes.

choice is yours. what do you need & want.

This post has been edited by ch_teo: Mar 22 2011, 04:33 PM

Thanks bros. I'll slug it out for awhile to get some experience and hopefully I can ensnare a higher pay

Like they say, no pain no gain.

but its 2 years ago.... still relevant?

Just curious... with the master's degree, what is it that you can do that a bachelor's degree holder cannot?

Guys, 3M is on mass hiring on this Saturday. Here is the info.

We are conducting walk-in interview session to fill the below listed positions for Tuas Plant:
a. Manufacturing Assistant,
b. Quality/ Lab Assistant
c. Production Technologist
d. Quality/Lab Technologist


Details of the Walk-in Interview is as below:

Venue: Tuas Plant (2 Tuas Link 4, Singapore 637321)
Date: 26 March 2011 (Saturday)
Time: 8am to 1.30pm
Transport: Transport provided from Joo Koon MRT Station (B01 Exit) at 8am, 9.30am and 10.30am

Note: Candidates are to bring along original & duplicate copies of certificates, NRIC/passport, payslip and 1 passport size photograph.

If you have friends/relatives to recommend, please extend the invitation to them to come for this interview.

Please also remember to fill up a Superscout Employment Recommendation Form (Form A) which is obtainable from the HR Department.

Thank you.

Well, if compared to a fellow fresh grad, I would have better specialised knowledge (CAD, FEA and CFD if you're familiar with mechanical engineering) and a better understanding and exposure of an engineer's tasks (e.g. product design, project management)

To be honest, it is better to pursue a postgraduate degree after working for a few years but my uni offered me a good deal on the course so what the heck.

In the context of the responsibilities and tasks, that a fresh engineer with no experience, will be allowed to do - what is the appreciable difference?

If I were the hiring manager, I wouldn't pay you more than your peers if you couldn't for eg. actually roll up your sleeves and design a product or manage a project better than them. And without experience and a track record, you can't prove that you can.

When you ask for more pay when all you have is an extra degree and no experience, you are basically asking the employer to pay an upfront premium for potential. They are not paying you just because you have a Master's, but for the potential represented by someone who takes the trouble to get one. However, you are in a field where a Master's is commonplace... and most employer's are not going to see a Master's as proof of your potential. You need to have a stronger selling point if you want more money.

And at $2200, I have to say that the person who offered you that amount doesn't see you as having even the equivalent potential to a bachelor's degree holder, much less a high potential worth paying a premium for. As a comparison, the SG Police Force hires fresh graduates with the minimum starting salary of $2650 for a simple pass bachelor's degree.

http://www.spf.gov.sg/career/so_salary.htm#top

I think Master degree is kinda irrelevant for a project engineer position. Just so you know, Assistant Project Engineer for my company reserved for undergraduate from Philippine, Myanmar, China and etc.

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Added on March 22, 2011, 7:16 pmFor a project engineer position, only project management skill is useful la, the rest can delegates to other people. Besides that, project management skill cannot learn from university de, but through experience.

This post has been edited by kockroach: Mar 22 2011, 07:16 PM

I do agree that as a fresh grad, I need to give them a better reason to pay me more. That is why I am taking this position despite lower pay so that I could build up a career from scratch instead of twiddling my thumbs hoping for a better offer to come.

I think it is unfair to compare my starting salary as a foreign and green engineer of a private limited company to the salary offered by the Singaporean government to its civil servant (which I am sure could only be held by its citizens). To give you a sense of perspective, my girlfriend who is an ACCA graduate at 22 (which is no mean feat btw) was offered a starting salary of $2300 by a small audit firm.

Perhaps it is true that Singaporean chinaman companies recruit foreign fresh grads as cheap labour, but it still does beat the offers fresh grads get in Malaysia.

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Added on March 22, 2011, 8:20 pmSo what positions are reserved for fresh Malaysian graduates then? Right now I see this opportunity as a foot in the door to a career in Singapore and would definitely look for greener pastures once I have more hands on experience.

This post has been edited by shoograd: Mar 22 2011, 08:20 PM

wow!! wat does professional librarian do?

Malaysian graduates, minus the "Assistant". Welcome to Singapore.

Police jobs are open to Singaporeans and PRs. Other non-sensitive govt depts will employ foreigners. So, no... it is fair to compare as civil servant starting salaries are a good indication of the median in the market.


The fresh auditors who audit my company usually start at $2800 - 3300+.

Is your girlfriend a graduate (I mean a proper graduate from university)? Additionally, is she fully professionally qualified (ie. has 3 years experience and received ACCA status rather than just finished the exams)?


If you agree to be employed by a Chinaman company, you really shouldn't complain about low salaries, not caring about your degree(s) or working long hours. You should already know that it's a given.


Good attitude. From the little that you've written here, you actually write and express yourself quite well. Why are you not applying to all the many, many MNCs, blue chip SGX listed companies in Singapore rather than some unknown Chinaman company?

that is why in university there is final year project (fyp), individual & group assignments. can't agree one just generalized project management is not learned in uni. there is also a subject operations management. basic management. a hiring manager will ask about the fresh grad candidate on this fyp to gauge him/her in one of the hiring criteria. confidence of speaking, extra-curricular taking in uni, etc... does not limit to china, myanmar, etc...

depends on company business nature & project nature. a project engineer may involve from preliminary design stage to completion stage, handover.
input design ideas and coordinate with other disciplines, produce design drawings (CAD! one may have drafter to assist), prepare BQ (may refer historical project reference, ask from vendors, contractors, etc), tender documents, interview bidders, attend progress meeting, site-coordination, gantt chart, site preparation, risk assessment, method statements, liasing with authorities, manage sub-con, daily/weekly/monthly report, any tasks assigned by project manager/superior, go hardware shop buy with cash, stock-take, manage feedback and maintain good relationship with clients, manage labours, on-site trouble-shoot, (factory acceptance test) FAT, SAT (site acceptance test), etc...

some may also need to understand the operation process for a plant/factory or from oil & gas exploration to production stages, upstream to downstream and vice versa, all depends on the type of project. without understanding of the operation process one may not have available resources to manage a project well and upkeep within cost budget. for this type of project, the engineersss need to start to discuss with the client/owner/developer's requirements the operation process to design...

there are many things to learn and one's willingness to learn on-job and read.

This post has been edited by ch_teo: Mar 22 2011, 09:32 PM

definitely an e-pass, probably even better than a p1

same for me here, but i gotta go all the way to novena... plus point is, i always get to shop and get good deals shopping there
if i were you, i would take it
errrr, sg police pays fresh grads better because they can carry forward their seniority from NS?