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post Oct 2 2010, 04:23 PM, updated 11y ago

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"MALAYSIA ENGINEERS NEED TO WORK MORE HARDER AND CONTINUOUSLY DEVELOP THEIR SKILL"

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Several factors are deterrents to a larger number of German investors putting their money into Malaysia, and top of the list is the lack of a qualified workforce.

"Malaysia doesn't need Nobel laureates or a man who can go to the moon but qualified, hands-on people to raise their level of competence," said German Ambassador to Malaysia, Dr Guenter Georg Gruber.

He said Malaysians appear to have the notion that an engineer's work is to get suited up and sit in the office all day.

"Nobody in Germany does that. A qualified engineer goes down to the pits and repair the machines himself, if need be, and he is respected for the willingness to get his hands dirty. Here, the engineers are ... different."

He said this boils down to the lack of emphasis and importance placed in vocational training.

Possibly, it stems from the lack of social acceptance of a person who works with his hands here, Gruber told Business Times in an interview in conjunction with the 20th anniversary of the reunification of East and West Germany tomorrow.

Social acceptance is equally high in Germany whether you are a painter, an electrician or an engineer - as long as you are a master of your craft. "In fact, if you are a good electrician, you will be highly respected and earn good money."

This appreciation of applied knowledge is probably what propelled Germany to become a world leader in innovation, science and technology today.

As a case in point, he cited his two brothers: one who is a painter and the other, an electrician. Both earn more than he does.

Malaysians are too engrossed in the paper chase that they forget about skill acquisition. Parents' role in this obsession cannot be downplayed, Gruber said.

"You should always ask what the industry needs. But here, parents only want to send their children abroad, (probably) to some third-class university to get a foreign degree."
(well malaysia typical mentality is local no good, imported product is drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif )

Another factor which he feels is holding back German investors is the Bumiputera equity policy.

Germany's "hidden champions" - the powerful, often family-owned small- and medium-scale enterprises (SMEs) - are keen to invest here, but are wary of having to give up a substantial share of their business to a "complete foreigner".

"These are often businesses which have been kept in the family for possibly hundreds of years. They would not want to share their company with someone they don't know."

Although they have heard of many positive news from the government on reducing the equity quota, Gruber said that many were still hesitant and adopting a "wait and see" attitude to assess how the new policies would be implemented.

One major German SME which is already here, B-Braun Medical Supplies Sdn Bhd, is currently suffering from market access problems due to the Bumiputera issue, he disclosed.

B-Braun is a company with worldwide presence and an established history of supplying medical solutions in the surgical, pharmaceutical and healthcare management fields.

It does not have a Bumiputera partner, which prevents the company from bidding for government contracts.

"B-Braun has been investing since 1972 because they have had good experience here and want to continue. But they are being excluded in public tendering because of the Bumiputera issue," said Gruber.

Although this was initially regarded as a "small issue", it is now becoming a sore point for the company as a new Asean rule states that any company excluded from public tender in an Asean member's market "would be excluded from all Asean markets".

"This is not a very positive image for Malaysia if you want to attract more foreign investments," Gruber said.

Germany has long been recognised for its "highly specialised small and medium enterprises" segment. They are often called "hidden champions" because most produce inconspicuous products but are global market leaders in their own segments.

"We don't want to impose any ideas on the Malaysian government. They have to choose for themselves whether they want to evolve to remain competitive. Malaysia is doing a lot of reforms as we speak and many initiatives are laudable and fantastic. But implementation, as always, has been a bit of an issue here."

Germany is one of the top four investors in Malaysia in terms of cumulative investment value, currently at more than RM16 billion.

Even during times ofeconomic crisis, such as last year, when overall foreign direct investments into Malaysia dwindled considerably, fresh money was still coming in from Germany of about RM200 million.

Gruber said that although German investments have remained quite constant, Malaysia has to work harder to stay competitive.

"We have to be frank. A lot of investment goes to China now and to be and remain a world-class leader, Malaysia has to find its niche."

He suggested that the country look at expending its efforts in developing the renewable energy and pharmaceutical sectors.

"Malaysia is uniquely blessed with many renewable energy sources - palm oil, biomass, sun, water - but it has not fully capitalised on them," Gruber said.

source : http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

the turning point of superior Germany economy in Europe start from this man.. in World War II ~ during his time got so many alien invention in engineering.. even "molecule science" and "rocket science" that current universities in this world study derived from this man era


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post Oct 2 2010, 04:26 PM

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Not all malaysians are lazy, only 1 particular race......
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post Oct 2 2010, 04:27 PM

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gaji not as high as the germans,thats why
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post Oct 2 2010, 04:28 PM

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Tiew...what do you expect from lazy umnoputra ketuanan types who only want to jiak lui?

Engineer? Buat a sampan that doesn't leak is already an achievement for these ketuanan wannabe enginerrs!
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god knows when they'll change
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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...l=best+engineer
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QUOTE(BigStick @ Oct 2 2010, 04:30 PM)
this engineer import directly from the mainland rclxms.gif
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post Oct 2 2010, 04:34 PM

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The stupid government policies to protect the bumiputras are killing all of us including themselves. Even the Germans have voiced their frank opinion now...

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post Oct 2 2010, 04:34 PM

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i would say, this is very true. no bullshit. i could say Zurich is a very German city and here, the real engineers come from those sekolah technical. they dun go to high school after 12 years old, straight go apprenticeship, they got to do a lot of practical and they are learning in school with the most advanced machine. not some fking physics books. then after high school, dey go to University together with those come out from high school. and pawn everyone because their practical very geng, once walk in factory wat oso noe how to do. unlike those from MIT or ETH, noe talk cock oni.
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QUOTE(coldogno7 @ Oct 2 2010, 04:27 PM)
gaji not as high as the germans,thats why
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look what he said..

Malaysians appear to have the notion that an engineer's work is to get suited up and sit in the office all day.

"Nobody in Germany does that. A qualified engineer goes down to the pits and repair the machines himself, if need be, and he is respected for the willingness to get his hands dirty. Here, the engineers are ... different."

.. i think in Malaysia, the one who are willing to get their hand dirty is only indon and bangla workers.

we need to change our attitude.. i am agree with him!
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we're not Aryan descendant, we the lost tribe of jews... hard working don't have in our DNA.
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Oct 2 2010, 04:34 PM)
look what he said..

Malaysians appear to have the notion that an engineer's work is to get suited up and sit in the office all day.

"Nobody in Germany does that. A qualified engineer goes down to the pits and repair the machines himself, if need be, and he is respected for the willingness to get his hands dirty. Here, the engineers are ... different."

.. i think in Malaysia, the one who are willing to get their hand dirty is only indon and bangla workers.

we need to change our attitude.. i am agree with him!
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that what differentiates a good engineer from a bad engineer. and companies in germany and switzerland dun give a fark about ur degree. my uncle is the head of Ariva factory in switzerland, he says the interview session is not in an office. they ask u straight go nuclear plant there solve a simulated problem.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 04:34 PM)
i would say, this is very true. no bullshit. i could say Zurich is a very German city and here, the real engineers come from those sekolah technical. they dun go to high school after 12 years old, straight go apprenticeship, they got to do a lot of practical and they are learning in school with the most advanced machine. not some fking physics books. then after high school, dey go to University together with those come out from high school. and pawn everyone because their practical very geng, once walk in factory wat oso noe how to do. unlike those from MIT or ETH, noe talk cock oni.
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Germany is one of a nation where it have so little universities but so much technical and polytechnic institution.. they prioritize on technical skill first, the nation which prioritize education from 3 years old with kindergarten.. they go for real industry practical every year during their school.

in Malaysia i think, our collaboration of industry and school is very low. Everybody here in Malaysia only have business mindset without thinking of developing the next capable engineers and leaders.

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 04:34 PM)
i would say, this is very true. no bullshit. i could say Zurich is a very German city and here, the real engineers come from those sekolah technical. they dun go to high school after 12 years old, straight go apprenticeship, they got to do a lot of practical and they are learning in school with the most advanced machine. not some fking physics books. then after high school, dey go to University together with those come out from high school. and pawn everyone because their practical very geng, once walk in factory wat oso noe how to do. unlike those from MIT or ETH, noe talk cock oni.
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yep.. practical is lacking here in malaysia... very lacking.. all an engineer student does is, open bunch effin thick physics book and study, or doesnt open at all.. just study what lecturer said and pass exam.. when comes to the real thing, they know no shit.. but its a sad thing that to work as an engineer, need to go through useless years of study..
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QUOTE(Never Going Give You Up @ Oct 2 2010, 04:37 PM)
Eh why u never highlight this one?

One major German SME which is already here, B-Braun Medical Supplies Sdn Bhd, is currently suffering from market access problems due to the Bumiputera issue, he disclosed.
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it is not the race problem or policy problem.. it is attitude problem

Germany once upon a time ago use the master race.. ARYAN RACE policy and during that time they come-out with so many alien engineering.

study the history.
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yes

malaysian engineers are lazy

melayu cina india all the same
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Even German beh tahan the bumiputra policy. And those umnoputras and perkasa dixkhead racist always racing and fighting ...lol!
Oii katak Ali, go tell the German Wenn Sie es nicht mögen Sie raus!
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QUOTE(hirari @ Oct 2 2010, 04:43 PM)
yes

malaysian engineers are lazy

melayu cina india all the same
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correct..like my brother...malas and want good pay... doh.gif
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i'm an engineer. i feel wat he said is untrue. their perception of engineer is different from ours here.
wat we didn't get our hands dirty ar? depends on job scope la. if design engineer go do piston oiling for wat?

QUOTE(eugoreez @ Oct 2 2010, 04:39 PM)
yep.. practical is lacking here in malaysia... very lacking.. all an engineer student does is, open bunch effin thick physics book and study, or doesnt open at all.. just study what lecturer said and pass exam.. when comes to the real thing, they know no shit.. but its a sad thing that to work as an engineer, need to go through useless years of study..
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are u an engineer yourself?


yes. i feel trolled and butthurt as u may say it, but come on, stop getting wrong perception of us la. we gotta work a lot and get paid peanuts only.
damn tuna sing wan la this typical mentalities

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In b4 why FDI dowb by 83%. Oh due we are more interested in the skilled high tech industry. As usual epic fail Maresia.
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design engineers. thats one of the main diff. a good scenario. my uncle say he has 13 master engineers under him. 1 chinese very good in theory, design nuclear plant so perfect but its not practical at all because that fking dude nvr thought of budget, market, safety, practical onot. unlike those german engineers can provide the best designs because they were grown up in such environment. butthurt.

about pay. in switzerland, a cashier or toilet lady earn rm12k per month, could hardly survive in zurich. a master freshman in engineering can earn.......rm18k per month, couldnt even afford a family in decent living.

the diff is only 6k, which is peanut. so dun complain.
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Oct 2 2010, 04:41 PM)
it is not the race problem or policy problem.. it is attitude problem

Germany once upon a time ago use the master race.. ARYAN RACE policy and during that time they come-out with so many alien engineering.

study the history.
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izzit? but there is difference wor!
German felt unfairly treated by those policy tha blame them for the war. Umno create the policy because of jealousy and hate.
German is harkworking, umno is lazy and only want spoon fed.
German work hard to be superior, the other songlap wang and spoon fed and say themselves the tuan, that's y they can songlap all they want thus more superior

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Not all people in Malaysia is lazy it the attitude of himself...+ love to learn or not...
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Sad to say B.Braun engineer standard is quite low compared to industry.


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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 04:53 PM)
design engineers. thats one of the main diff. a good scenario. my uncle say he has 13 master engineers under him. 1 chinese very good in theory, design nuclear plant so perfect but its not practical at all because that fking dude nvr thought of budget, market, safety, practical onot. unlike those german engineers can provide the best designs because they were grown up in such environment. butthurt.

about pay. in switzerland, a cashier or toilet lady earn rm12k per month, could hardly survive in zurich. a master freshman in engineering can earn.......rm18k per month, couldnt even afford a family in decent living.

the diff is only 6k, which is peanut. so dun complain.
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tht's why i'm asking. are u an engineer or not?

dunno are u using swiss as comparison for standard of living with local engineers.
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Seriously 12k to 18k also live hardly. I can't imagine how high is their living cost at there. I though japan living cost is high, walan switch there also tak kalah.
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World War II.

Germans had the best engineers.

Weapons, armor, V2 rockets etc.

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QUOTE(coldogno7 @ Oct 2 2010, 04:44 PM)
what malaysia need is a hitler
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"We want honestly to earn the resurrection of our people through our industry, our perseverance, our will. We ask not of the Almighty "Lord, make us free"!—we want to be active, to work, to agree together as brothers, to strive in rivalry with one another to bring about the hour when we can come before Him and when we may ask of Him: "Lord, Thou seest that we have transformed ourselves, the German people is not longer the people of dishonour, of shame, of war within itself, of faintheartedness and little faith: no, Lord, the German people has become strong again in spirit, strong in will, strong in endurance, strong to bear all sacrifices." "Lord, we will not let Thee go: bless now our fight for our freedom; the fight we wage for our German people and Fatherland." - Adolf Hitler

"Providence has not led us along these amazing paths in vain. On the day that the party was founded I recalled that our nation once gained immense victories. Then it became ungrateful, disunited, sinned against itself. Thereupon it was punished by Providence. We deserved our defeat. If a nation forgets itself as completely as the German nation did at that time, if it thinks that it can shake off all honor and all good faith, Providence can do nothing but teach it a hard and bitter lesson. But even at that time we were convinced that once our nation found itself again, once it again became industrious and honorable, once each individual German stood up for his nation first and not for himself, once he placed the interests of the community above his own personal interests, once the whole nation again pursued a great ideal, once it was prepared to stake everything for this ideal, the hour would come when the Lord would declare our trials at an end." - Adolf Hitler

honestly, his speech is always very amazing.. no wonder millions of people rally to support him that time although he is evil.
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QUOTE(coldogno7 @ Oct 2 2010, 04:44 PM)
what malaysia need is a hitler
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 2 2010, 04:58 PM)
World War II.

Germans had the best engineers.

Weapons, armor, V2 rockets etc.

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alright for sure their engineering is better than ours. but, come on, give some support and faith to local engineers also la.
why step on them so much like they worth no 5cents also.
dammit
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im too young to be an engineer yet. but i could choose engineering as major in ETH...but my family background is very engineering heavy so i know what im talking.
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QUOTE(w3er @ Oct 2 2010, 05:03 PM)
Ibrahim Ali =/ Hitler?
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he just talk cock la.
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u all have wrong perception about engineer to begin with.
thats why u find the german critics is so wrong but indeed correct.

engineering calculation is just an estimation, maybe very different in real world. thats why hand-on is a must.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 05:01 PM)
im too young to be an engineer yet. but i could choose engineering as major in ETH...but my family background is very engineering heavy so i know what im talking.
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so, u've yet to work in an engineering firm, has no engineering experience, the closest thing u have is listening to your family background on their takes on their worklife?
i'm of cos not dissing your parents, tht'll be harsh and offensive.
i'm just asking, whether the stuffs tht u've said, is based on your first hand experience, or hearsay.

so which is it?
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 05:01 PM)
im too young to be an engineer yet. but i could choose engineering as major in ETH...but my family background is very engineering heavy so i know what im talking.
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Your background happens to only be comprised of sucking many penises for 10 ringgit a go.

I don't mind critique, but for some 2 bit kid who hasn't even earned his degree to tell me this and that is just one of those things that makes me raise an eyebrow.

A professional engineer in Germany is of higher academic standard, in addition to a 4 year degree, they require another 2 years, equivalent to an MEng to become an "Engineer" by trade, thus to say that their concentrate on other fields isn't correct as well. They just have high standards for the title.

The problem also sometimes isn't of mentality, it's purely a catch 22 issue. How can you get experience if you don't get a job, and you can't get a job if you don't have experience.
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"To make that many people turn and change and hate, he had to be a showman and he was." - Michael Jackson about Adolf Hitler

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 2 2010, 05:15 PM)
Your background happens to only be comprised of sucking many penises for 10 ringgit a go.

I don't mind critique, but for some 2 bit kid who hasn't even earned his degree to tell me this and that is just one of those things that makes me raise an eyebrow.

A professional engineer in Germany is of higher academic standard, in addition to a 4 year degree, they require another 2 years, equivalent to an MEng to become an "Engineer" by trade, thus to say that their concentrate on other fields isn't correct as well. They just have high standards for the title.

The problem also sometimes isn't of mentality, it's purely a catch 22 issue. How can you get experience if you don't get a job, and you can't get a job if you don't have experience.
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thankfully, someone who i can agree with on this matter...
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QUOTE(eugoreez @ Oct 2 2010, 04:39 PM)
yep.. practical is lacking here in malaysia... very lacking.. all an engineer student does is, open bunch effin thick physics book and study, or doesnt open at all.. just study what lecturer said and pass exam.. when comes to the real thing, they know no shit.. but its a sad thing that to work as an engineer, need to go through useless years of study..
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aiya...obvious is obvious...also local firms cried dry tears about how local engineers are so lazy and afraid to get their hands "dirty" on site. afraid of the "weather" preferring the "climate" of the air-cond offices...thinking engineering is just done in the computer and on paper...and also wanting the big pay.
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really? maybe i was oblivious to tht.
or maybe it didn't happen in mein environment. lol
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Am graduate engineer but most of the time i wont called myself an engineer. And i am aware our engineers not competent enough and no need to compare with those from Germany, they're among the best. German is known for one thing, ENGINEERING.

Am sad to say that i also stuck in office. No job, cant go offshore. /k/ all day. /wrist
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This man speeks the truth. He speeks what he sees bt lets hope that what he says will be taken seriously. Germans have one of the best physicist in the world and we should learn their ways to improve. I wont say much because this is posted in kopitiam section anyway
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 04:34 PM)
i would say, this is very true. no bullshit. i could say Zurich is a very German city and here, the real engineers come from those sekolah technical. they dun go to high school after 12 years old, straight go apprenticeship, they got to do a lot of practical and they are learning in school with the most advanced machine. not some fking physics books. then after high school, dey go to University together with those come out from high school. and pawn everyone because their practical very geng, once walk in factory wat oso noe how to do. unlike those from MIT or ETH, noe talk cock oni.
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"MALAYSIA ENGINEERS NEED TO WORK MORE HARDER AND CONTINUOUSLY DEVELOP THEIR SKILL"

" Malaysia engineers are very lazy unlike Germans, GERMANY official had spoken to Malaysia."

Can't find these 2 phrases in the original article. While the first may be inferred, and really, it applies not just to engineers but people of other professions all over the world, the second is just mischief making.

What I can summarise from the article is that engineers should try to involve themselves in hands-on work as well as gain skills rather than just focusing on the paper chase. Don't see anything wrong in that. It's always good to see how the things are performing in reality compared to just the simulation results.
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Oct 2 2010, 05:35 PM)
"MALAYSIA ENGINEERS NEED TO WORK MORE HARDER AND CONTINUOUSLY DEVELOP THEIR SKILL"

" Malaysia engineers are very lazy unlike Germans, GERMANY official had spoken to Malaysia."

Can't find these 2 phrases in the original article. While the first may be inferred, and really, it applies not just to engineers but people of other professions all over the world, the second is just mischief making.

What I can summarise from the article is that engineers MUST involve themselves in hands-on work as well as gain skills rather than just focusing on the paper chase. Don't see anything wrong in that. It's always good to see how the things are performing in reality compared to just the simulation results.
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Zurich is a German-speaking Swiss city.....
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 05:39 PM)
you are talking to someone living in zurich.
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Universität Zürich is where Albert Einstein study before..

other well known people who study there is Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, very well known for his invention in X-RAY, that usually u can saw it in hospital nowaday... it is German-speaking city, largest city in Switzerland.

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actually the one famous for engineering course is ETH aka Institute of Technology of Zurich. ranked first place in Europe same as Polytechnic of Paris. not Universitat Zurich...
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 05:45 PM)
actually the one famous for engineering course is ETH aka Institute of Technology of Zurich. ranked first place in Europe same as Polytechnic of Paris. not Universitat Zurich...
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actually the one famous for engineering course is ETH aka Institute of Technology of Zurich. ranked first place in Europe same as Polytechnic of Paris. not Universitat Zurich...
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i think from that Institute, come 24 NOBEL PRIZE winners already right?

why r German-speaking education they prioritize on technical skill (so much polytechnics and technical school)
unlike English-speaking education that prioritize on management skill.

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suffice to say, u've yet to work. correct?
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and yes, just google out how many german speakings physicians had won the noble prize.
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This German dude has some valid points. Why don't you post this is RWI instead of /k/? This is where threads go to be trolled, don't you realize?
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the good msian engineers are workign overseas...

the gomen want stupid engineers so that the "protected species" can continue to think they are capabel..
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the good msian engineers are workign overseas...

the gomen want stupid engineers so that the "protected species" can continue to think they are capabel..
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Again, please move this to RWI, PhD School or Jobs and Careers (anywhere out of /k/). This seems like a good topic for discussion.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 05:57 PM)
i have no mean to look down at malaysian engineers. dun butt hurt. i had controlled a lot in my later comments.
and yes, just google out how many german speakings physicians had won the noble prize.
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so, will u come back to work in malaysia after u've obtained your degree?
becos apparently u're very capable. will u go to somewhere else to better use your capability, or come back and work?

just asking. no right or wrong.
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german engineers? germany the best in engineering? lol. u guys must have stucked in 1940s.

i've met n work with german engineers. nothing much impressive, but a lot of pride. empty pride. talk about plans and budget, lol, they rely on old tech made new, that's why the budget is lol. However, compare to japs n taiwan, germany can go balik tongsan.

local engineers as not bad what that german said. a handful of them are, doesn't mean all. this also applies to german engineers.

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 05:57 PM)
i have no mean to look down at malaysian engineers. dun butt hurt. i had controlled a lot in my later comments.
and yes, just google out how many german speakings physicians had won the noble prize.
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Malaysia not win anything for Nobel Prize yet..
our education system Sekolah Kebangsaan, Sekolah Jenis Cina, Sekolah Jenis Tamil didn't produce any Nobel prize winner yet.. sad.gif

in south east asia only vietnam had won the Nobel Prize.. but that one is for peace not for engineering or science technology. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Oct 2 2010, 06:09 PM)
Malaysia not win anything for Nobel Prize yet..
our education system Sekolah Kebangsaan, Sekolah Jenis Cina, Sekolah Jenis Tamil didn't produce any Nobel prize winner yet.. sad.gif

in south east asia only vietnam had won the Nobel Prize.. but that one is for peace not for engineering or science technology.  sweat.gif
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come on man. u know how much time/effort/fund required to win nobel prize?
everyone of us here gotta work to feed the family. we don't have tht luxury to divulge in path to win the prize..
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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:07 PM)
so, will u come back to work in malaysia after u've obtained your degree?
becos apparently u're very capable. will u go to somewhere else to better use your capability, or come back and work?

just asking. no right or wrong.
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to be honest......i had moved to zurich and will settle down there probably for the next 20 years. BUT, one thing for sure, i will retire in Malaysia, or come back during my 40s to start small business because i love malaysia as a place to live. i can earn die those ang mo money but i want to live in KL, shopping in one utama, makan roti canai, makan laksa.....and troll in lowyat kopitiam.


QUOTE(hack3line @ Oct 2 2010, 06:09 PM)
Malaysia not win anything for Nobel Prize yet..
our education system Sekolah Kebangsaan, Sekolah Jenis Cina, Sekolah Jenis Tamil didn't produce any Nobel prize winner yet.. sad.gif

in south east asia only vietnam had won the Nobel Prize.. but that one is for peace not for engineering or science technology.  sweat.gif
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malaysia created pendrive, very 7 yeng d ok.....XD im not sure if the guy who created fibre optic cable won noble prize recently got related to malaysia onot but he is a chinese......
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for 16 years, i've worked from junior tech to senior engineer/asst. service engineer...

in my ex-company, i have noticed fresh technical/engineering graduates nowadays very much lacking in practical experience...

most fresh diploma holders just want to work 9-5... after 5 sharp, cabut...
most fresh degree holders just sit at desk... only go the production floor when immediate superior says so...

when arrange for training on weekends...
they ask if got OT pay or not...
totally no interest to improve themselves...
knowledge is your best asset for better job prospect...

sometimes having a good diploma/degree exam results does not mean they have a good practical mind...

example 1...
my boss employed a fresh diploma grad, said he was top 5 in his class...
he followed a senior tech out one day...
asked him to hold the tool bag as they walked about customer's factory...
stop at a line to inspect a faulty equipment...
after 5 minutes, the fresh grad complain the tool bag very heavy...
omg, he need instruction/permission to put it down???

example 2...
same guy as example 1...
senior tech ask him for test pen...
he gives him a ball point pen...

example 3...
this one involves a fresh degree grad from UK uni...
drives brand new civic to work...
he's in-charge of a team of fitters, welders, machinist, etc...
always sits at his desk playing his HP and PC...
never go to check the job his team is doing unless told so by the manager/director...
after 2 months, he was given his marching orders...

guys from my time, we would meet up in the office after office hours and talk about work done and problems faced, share information and knowledge...

just my 2 cents rant on this topic...
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:15 PM)
to be honest......i had moved to zurich and will settle down there probably for the next 20 years. BUT, one thing for sure, i will retire in Malaysia, or come back during my 40s to start small business because i love malaysia as a place to live. i can earn die those ang mo money but i want to live in KL, shopping in one utama, makan roti canai, makan laksa.....and troll in lowyat kopitiam.
malaysia created pendrive, very 7 yeng d ok.....XD im not sure if the guy who created fibre optic cable won noble prize recently got related to malaysia onot but he is a chinese......
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its not malaysia create pendrive...its a msian based in taiwan created pendrive...if the fellow stay here i think no chances for him to create anything
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german engineers? germany the best in engineering? lol. u guys must have stucked in 1940s.

i've met n work with german engineers. nothing much impressive, but a lot of pride. empty pride. talk about plans and budget, lol, they rely on old tech made new, that's why the budget is lol. However, compare to japs n taiwan, germany can go balik tongsan.

local engineers as bad what that german said. a handful of them are, doesn't mean all. this also applies to german engineers.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:15 PM)
to be honest......i had moved to zurich and will settle down there probably for the next 20 years. BUT, one thing for sure, i will retire in Malaysia, or come back during my 40s to start small business because i love malaysia as a place to live. i can earn die those ang mo money but i want to live in KL, shopping in one utama, makan roti canai, makan laksa.....and troll in lowyat kopitiam.

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it's ok. although it's a shame, u've degraded our engineering society so much but u chose to stand from afar and wish not to be associated with us.
but hey, it's all good. i mean, it gonna take a lot of effort to change the status quo.

and just for the record, my colleagues of engineers are very capable.. for some projects even the sites in US and israel had acknowledged us.

sigh, just don't take everything someone BIG said as the truth la. when ppl who've genuinely worked hard but still condemned and grouped as lazy useless ppl, it's really demotivating
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:15 PM)
to be honest......i had moved to zurich and will settle down there probably for the next 20 years. BUT, one thing for sure, i will retire in Malaysia, or come back during my 40s to start small business because i love malaysia as a place to live. i can earn die those ang mo money but i want to live in KL, shopping in one utama, makan roti canai, makan laksa.....and troll in lowyat kopitiam.
malaysia created pendrive, very 7 yeng d ok.....XD im not sure if the guy who created fibre optic cable won noble prize recently got related to malaysia onot but he is a chinese......
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PenDrive if i am not mistaken, technology from Taiwan but Malaysia become the HQ of its marketing world wide.

in Shah Alam before this Motorola hired so much of Malaysian computer scientist for their cpu/chip R&D..
some university in shah alam got its blueprint of that project.. but now i don't know what happen to it.

maybe now lost in action laugh.gif
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the ts probably a malay and he's probably in denial that his race is the one that is very lazy...and incompetence...

do you know that the twin tower is not even engineered by the malay...1 of the tower is build by samsung...

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i'm engineer..
nowadays focus on my part time degree to change the job and after several year i will mind in my own business.
equal to give up in engineering area.

why?
it is not because i'm not capable doing any technical stuff. My job scope basically focus on office (design and consultant), site (hands-on machining) but it is about peanut salary.

nowadays many industry try to cut cost because of the total of graduate increasing each year. so pay cheap to gain more profit.
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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:23 PM)
i'm engineer..
nowadays focus on my part time degree to change the job and after several year i will mind in my own business.
equal to give up in engineering area.

why?
it is not because i'm not capable doing any technical stuff. My job scope basically focus on office (design and consultant), site (hands-on machining) but it is about peanut salary.

nowadays many industry try to cut cost because of the total of graduate increasing each year. so pay cheap to gain more profit.
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same here. in fact most of the engineers also took this path.
sadly, engineers salary growth is not the best in town.. :/
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Not all malaysians are lazy, only 1 particular race......
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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:19 PM)
it's ok. although it's a shame, u've degraded our engineering society so much but u chose to stand from afar and wish not to be associated with us.
but hey, it's all good. i mean, it gonna take a lot of effort to change the status quo.

and just for the record, my colleagues of engineers are very capable.. for some projects even the sites in US and israel had acknowledged us.

sigh, just don't take everything someone BIG said as the truth la. when ppl who've genuinely worked hard but still condemned and grouped as lazy useless ppl, it's really demotivating
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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:25 PM)
same here. in fact most of the engineers also took this path.
sadly, engineers salary growth is not the best in town.. :/
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learn so many techinical stuff n theories suppose will make u become valuable in oversea... but in malaysia, it won't worth.. political, costing, will just burden urself.. it's about surviving in malaysia.. don't look to the shit of title
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Engineer or not, the common perception of a good worker here is one that wears a fancy suit to office every day (never mind what he actually does in the office); not one who actually goes into the field and does some actual work.
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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:19 PM)
it's ok. although it's a shame, u've degraded our engineering society so much but u chose to stand from afar and wish not to be associated with us.
but hey, it's all good. i mean, it gonna take a lot of effort to change the status quo.

and just for the record, my colleagues of engineers are very capable.. for some projects even the sites in US and israel had acknowledged us.

sigh, just don't take everything someone BIG said as the truth la. when ppl who've genuinely worked hard but still condemned and grouped as lazy useless ppl, it's really demotivating
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genuine hardworking engineers wouldn't careless and will just carry on what their job...

those who feel offended means they are the lazy ones...
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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:29 PM)
good engineer always stay late to solve the matter, but when it come to salary it doesn't worth, it's better to go back early, save ur time n mind ur health..

learn so many techinical stuff n theories suppose will make u become valuable in oversea... but in malaysia, it won't worth.. political, costing, will just burden urself.. it's about surviving in malaysia.. don't look to the shit of title
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ah u internet people.. is it??

here some source of Malaysia engineers salary.. base salary

http://www.interec.net/salary/servlet/SkyS...y&submit=Submit

look at the survey statistics and data given there

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work hard gain more experience here..commit 200% into your work..and when opportunity comes juz take it and go...
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Oct 2 2010, 06:36 PM)
ah u internet people.. is it??

here some source of Malaysia engineers salary.. base salary

http://www.interec.net/salary/servlet/SkyS...y&submit=Submit

look at the survey statistics and data given there
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this u say as high.. living in klang @ 2400.. go die..
68 Engineer Klang Selangor Malaysia B.S Mechanical 2 2400 2400 200 60 6 2007-01-06

it's just a few percent only will achieve super duper salary.. overall still quite low...

not all will achieve good opportunities.. so just play hard and enjoy

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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Oct 2 2010, 09:29 PM)
good engineer always stay late to solve the matter, but when it come to salary it doesn't worth, it's better to go back early, save ur time n mind ur health..

learn so many techinical stuff n theories suppose will make u become valuable in oversea... but in malaysia, it won't worth.. political, costing, will just burden urself.. it's about surviving in malaysia.. don't look to the shit of title
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typical malaysian la

complain low salary but not willing to put in effort to show your value.
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i know its a shame to flee from reality but........if you are really that capable in malaysia, you should know that you can earn rm30k per month easily in zurich.

not encouraging you or what, its really hard to change malaysia current status now, i would be happy if it stays like this instead of getting worse.

and come on, there must be shitty germany engineers, just like theres shitty local engineers.
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Malaysia not win anything for Nobel Prize yet..
our education system Sekolah Kebangsaan, Sekolah Jenis Cina, Sekolah Jenis Tamil didn't produce any Nobel prize winner yet.. sad.gif

in south east asia only vietnam had won the Nobel Prize.. but that one is for peace not for engineering or science technology.  sweat.gif
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we have dr.mazlan who can talk to aliens...  rclxms.gif
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he don't want the job...
because against his religion...
his religion say there is no such thing as makhluk asing...
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when want to be no.1 in everything...
kena no.1 blame as also must accepct lah...
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wadafak? i dno who raised you up till got such snobbish attitude. cant even accept criticism and think about our own mistake. thats why cant improve. kiasu? puik
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Just like a certain race today. You can speak <insert language> then you can get half price. if you can't speak <insert language>, then pay full price.
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to be honest......i had moved to zurich and will settle down there probably for the next 20 years. BUT, one thing for sure, i will retire in Malaysia, or come back during my 40s to start small business because i love malaysia as a place to live. i can earn die those ang mo money but i want to live in KL, shopping in one utama, makan roti canai, makan laksa.....and troll in lowyat kopitiam.
malaysia created pendrive, very 7 yeng d ok.....XD im not sure if the guy who created fibre optic cable won noble prize recently got related to malaysia onot but he is a chinese......
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Look dude. You don't even have the paper that says you're an engineer rolleyes.gif . Like i said, it's a problem of credibility.

Plus some of us are already making angmoh money, not just commenting while we're 18 and have barely finished our sekolah menengah. I have learned that many Malaysian engineers or students (just look in Audiophiles) are great bastions of skill and craft, we don't even need a company for practical experience in some fields, we build our own stuff, pay for our own equipment, for shit and giggles and because we love what we do.

I'm not sure about anywhere else, but here, Engineer is a title to be proud of, we guard our profession regardless of our levels, are given respect i feel should be extended to engineers everywhere.

I'm not in Malaysia practicing engineering, but for those who do and succeed, I salute you for you're a lot tougher than I am. Cheers from Down Under, don't let this faggot slag our profession. smile.gif

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then gtfo and ignore a 18 years old brats nonsense if you think you are at any stake higher.

if so, hug ur cert and dream with your untouchable divine pride being an engineer.

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then gtfo and ignore a 18 years old brats nonsense if you think you are at any stake higher.

if so, hug ur cert and dream with your untouchable divine pride being an engineer.
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Either way. Higher than yours lol. What have you achieved so far....hmm going overseas and living with mama and papa?

Oso i don't have bad taste in shitty headphone amps hahahhaha. Kids.

But on a more sombre and honest note, people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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Either way. Higher than yours lol. What have you achieved so far....hmm going overseas and living with mama and papa?

Oso i don't have bad taste in shitty headphone amps hahahhaha. Kids.

But on a more sombre and honest note, people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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I said IF

im living of my own now because my younger brother havent finish his high school.

If i could afford a yamamoto or larvae, i wouldnt stick with a pico slim amp. and wtf does this matters with the thread.

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he don't want the job...
because against his religion...
his religion say there is no such thing as makhluk asing...
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really...

then if aliens turn up at their doorsteps to say harlo...

they the whole religion will vanish? hmm.gif
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Either way. Higher than yours lol. What have you achieved so far....hmm going overseas and living with mama and papa?

Oso i don't have bad taste in shitty headphone amps hahahhaha. Kids.

But on a more sombre and honest note, people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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I said IF

im living of my own now because my younger brother havent finish his high school.

If i could afford a yamamoto or larvae, i wouldnt stick with a pico slim amp. and wtf does this matters with the thread.
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Excuses weiiiii.....i've always believe in a certain hierarchy, which simply states that eg; It's not smart for me to say Malaysian doctors suck balls when I never even finished medical school. If I have something more than just anecdotal evidence, it might be more plausible. But otherwise, I'd keep my yapper shut.

Plus, you should try designing your own amp, building it on your own skills, own specs, own board and so forth. Oh wai. You can't. Again the policy, don't criticize others for what you can't even touch yourself. Don't generalize either, a lot of problems engineers face aren't of their own doing, sometimes labour markets dictate differently.
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thats for you to believe such hierarchy. if i had clearly stated that malaysian engineers suck balls then i apologize for that. i was merely stating that germans have a different system of breeding engineers and i think its much more superior than malaysian ones. maybe theres way to improve through comparison.

it would take some time till i can reach the level of designing an amp that can compete with a pico slim amp. by the mean time, i enjoy listening to music and it happens that i could afford a pico slim and i acknowledge the creator's sound engineering skill. so i pay. wheres the problem in it.

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good engineer always stay late to solve the matter, but when it come to salary it doesn't worth, it's better to go back early, save ur time n mind ur health..

learn so many techinical stuff n theories suppose will make u become valuable in oversea... but in malaysia, it won't worth.. political, costing, will just burden urself.. it's about surviving in malaysia.. don't look to the shit of title
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I dunno how to comment moar bcoz I'm just a filthy technician only. gonna comment moar after I oredi became an engineer...
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thats for you to believe such hierarchy. if i had clearly stated that malaysian engineers suck balls then i apologize for that. i was merely stating that germans have a different system of breeding engineers and i think its much more superior than malaysian ones. maybe theres way to improve through comparison.

it would take some time till i can reach the level of designing an amp that can compete with a pico slim amp. by the mean time, i enjoy listening to music and it happens that i could afford a pico slim and i acknowledge the creator's sound engineering skill. so i pay. wheres the problem in it.
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Our markets are very differently orientated, to blanket statement Malaysian engineers as less would be folly. In Australia an engineer cannot subsist on technical skill alone in the German style, you are expected to be a competent manager, risk analyzer, accountant, cost breakdown specialist and much more, most technical jobs require 2 years of fieldwork training and by law and by pressure of local trade unions, it is illegal for an engineer to do some forms of work. I can't pick up a wrench and fix a machine in the presence of trades people most of the time, they'll strike for goodness sake.

Thus, It is very climate based and the local market will dictate the engineers bred based on need. If what we have isn't what we need, the workforce will evolve according to it. We aren't stupid that's for sure.

Sure you can put so many regulations in that the only engineering grads we'd churn out are EngAus chartered quality people with 4 years of practical exp, but then we'd have a labour shortage wouldn't we? Context is badly needed.

Not really sound engineering. Electrical engineering dearie. Plus, try a Larocco instead, Pico amp looks abit naff from the layout.


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blergh... let him be la. why argue with a teenager. plus. it's  teh internut.
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Imma actually have NBTD because I need my leads for my Tektronix for a project, but i haz lost one. Those f***ing things cost a shitload. Feels bad man sad.gif

Plus I'm hungry. Should drive out to maccas.

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really...

then if aliens turn up at their doorsteps to say harlo...

they the whole religion will vanish?  hmm.gif
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already vanished...
aliens from indo, myanmar, bangla, paki, india, viet, china, arab, etc...
all here in malaysia already...
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i personally think that not only engineers.. ALL MALAYSIAN ARE LAZY!!! b4 i do internship, i thought working as an engineer is a hard job. But, when i see real life. #@$!%@^&#.. Semua malas..and got one engineer soooo sohai la. he is new, and always order this order that. he himself nver want to try. even on easy task.
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couldnt spill any words out anymore. maybe these engineers are really what the market needs. then so be it.

have not try it yet but Pico slim (not the phat version) is really one hell of an amp for its form factor. it was perfectly tailored in every inch they could squeeze in IMO.

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Who cares, as long got money come to pockets enough ady lor, u guy work only for money niama
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this is the attitude at my workplace..no one bother for improvement. as long duit jalan..enough liao
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this is the attitude at my workplace..no one bother for improvement. as long duit jalan..enough liao
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just not in dota
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haha.. dunno other department la..btw, its a big company summore, nobody wants to push their capabilities. as long u work long enough u can be manager.


i respect japan engineers. he is only 20+, but he is really skillful in technical skill. summore design the tv mechanical part..but still got flaw laa sweat.gif
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They also need to hand on bro. at my kilang, ada engineer rajin dan ada juga yg rajin buat2 sibuk.... mostly yg rajin2 buat sibuk is the junior one...
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haha.. dunno other department la..btw, its a big company summore, nobody wants to push their capabilities. as long u work long enough u can be manager.
i respect japan engineers. he is only 20+, but he is really skillful in technical skill. summore design the tv mechanical part..but still got flaw laa sweat.gif
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then must respect.. to the one who work for it, and fix the flaw.
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aiyo. 3 year old kid also know la

Merc BMW vs Proton Perodua
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lol because of the 30% they have to give to bumiputra company so they don't want to invest here. Thank you BN.
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Malaysian love to improve in buttseck , fucuk , dota , rempit and ah bengness only

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Engineers who remain in malaysia afraid to venture out are like that

Those who are overseas are rare gems, so much the gwailo dun laik because they work better and faster
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Several factors are deterrents to a larger number of German investors putting their money into Malaysia, and top of the list is the lack of a qualified workforce.

"Malaysia doesn't need Nobel laureates or a man who can go to the moon but qualified, hands-on people to raise their level of competence," said German Ambassador to Malaysia, Dr Guenter Georg Gruber.

He said Malaysians appear to have the notion that an engineer's work is to get suited up and sit in the office all day.

"Nobody in Germany does that. A qualified engineer goes down to the pits and repair the machines himself, if need be, and he is respected for the willingness to get his hands dirty. Here, the engineers are ... different."

He said this boils down to the lack of emphasis and importance placed in vocational training.

Possibly, it stems from the lack of social acceptance of a person who works with his hands here, Gruber told Business Times in an interview in conjunction with the 20th anniversary of the reunification of East and West Germany tomorrow.

Social acceptance is equally high in Germany whether you are a painter, an electrician or an engineer - as long as you are a master of your craft. "In fact, if you are a good electrician, you will be highly respected and earn good money."

This appreciation of applied knowledge is probably what propelled Germany to become a world leader in innovation, science and technology today.

As a case in point, he cited his two brothers: one who is a painter and the other, an electrician. Both earn more than he does.

Malaysians are too engrossed in the paper chase that they forget about skill acquisition. Parents' role in this obsession cannot be downplayed, Gruber said.

"You should always ask what the industry needs. But here, parents only want to send their children abroad, (probably) to some third-class university to get a foreign degree."
(well malaysia typical mentality is local no good, imported product is  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif )

Another factor which he feels is holding back German investors is the Bumiputera equity policy.

Germany's "hidden champions" - the powerful, often family-owned small- and medium-scale enterprises (SMEs) - are keen to invest here, but are wary of having to give up a substantial share of their business to a "complete foreigner".

"These are often businesses which have been kept in the family for possibly hundreds of years. They would not want to share their company with someone they don't know."

Although they have heard of many positive news from the government on reducing the equity quota, Gruber said that many were still hesitant and adopting a "wait and see" attitude to assess how the new policies would be implemented.

One major German SME which is already here, B-Braun Medical Supplies Sdn Bhd, is currently suffering from market access problems due to the Bumiputera issue, he disclosed.

B-Braun is a company with worldwide presence and an established history of supplying medical solutions in the surgical, pharmaceutical and healthcare management fields.

It does not have a Bumiputera partner, which prevents the company from bidding for government contracts.

"B-Braun has been investing since 1972 because they have had good experience here and want to continue. But they are being excluded in public tendering because of the Bumiputera issue," said Gruber.

Although this was initially regarded as a "small issue", it is now becoming a sore point for the company as a new Asean rule states that any company excluded from public tender in an Asean member's market "would be excluded from all Asean markets".

"This is not a very positive image for Malaysia if you want to attract more foreign investments," Gruber said.

Germany has long been recognised for its "highly specialised small and medium enterprises" segment. They are often called "hidden champions" because most produce inconspicuous products but are global market leaders in their own segments.

"We don't want to impose any ideas on the Malaysian government. They have to choose for themselves whether they want to evolve to remain competitive. Malaysia is doing a lot of reforms as we speak and many initiatives are laudable and fantastic. But implementation, as always, has been a bit of an issue here."

Germany is one of the top four investors in Malaysia in terms of cumulative investment value, currently at more than RM16 billion.

Even during times ofeconomic crisis, such as last year, when overall foreign direct investments into Malaysia dwindled considerably, fresh money was still coming in from Germany of about RM200 million.

Gruber said that although German investments have remained quite constant, Malaysia has to work harder to stay competitive.

"We have to be frank. A lot of investment goes to China now and to be and remain a world-class leader, Malaysia has to find its niche."

He suggested that the country look at expending its efforts in developing the renewable energy and pharmaceutical sectors.

"Malaysia is uniquely blessed with many renewable energy sources - palm oil, biomass, sun, water - but it has not fully capitalised on them," Gruber said.

source : http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

the turning point of superior Germany economy in Europe start from this man.. in World War II ~ during his time got so many alien invention in engineering.. even "molecule science" and "rocket science" that current universities in this world study derived from this man era

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nobody cares anyway, the newspaper reported that mahathir say that we sould not rely on FDI but must focus on DDI.

I bet umno will follow the lead and just threat german investment as not so important business casualty.

Who cares..
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come on bro. I am a malay engineer here and have worked in germany for 2 years. Now i am one the very few specialized metering instrumentation engineer here and have 3 patents under my name. Lazy? far from it. I sit in the various international committee and regularly meet with fellow engineers from germany etc etc Successful, yes very. Dont play the race card and dont be a sohai la
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come on bro. I am a malay engineer here and have worked in germany for 2 years. Now i am one the very few specialized metering instrumentation engineer here and have 3 patents under my name. Lazy? far from it. I sit in the various international committee and regularly meet with fellow engineers from germany etc etc Successful, yes very. Dont play the race card and dont be a sohai la
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1 malaysian engineer =/= the rest

by argument there are a good chunk of hardworking professionals, but i dont know why i contstantly come across folks that are

rather lazy

while i do admit im lazy, but these guys make me look good

seriously
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Titles are thrown around these days. Almost everyone is an executive, analyst, engineer, etc. But pay like taik. So with that of course la there are some 'engineers' who sit in office and don't get their hands dirty.
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People telling the generalize truth, also get butthurt?

Especially from Germans? The Superior Race?

lulz.
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come on bro. I am a malay engineer here and have worked in germany for 2 years. Now i am one the very few specialized metering instrumentation engineer here and have 3 patents under my name. Lazy? far from it. I sit in the various international committee and regularly meet with fellow engineers from germany etc etc Successful, yes very. Dont play the race card and dont be a sohai la
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hes generalizing MALAYSIANs not Malays.. why u so butthurt? all the success has gotten into your head?
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My brother jst got into this job like a year or two ago. When he first joined, they (the company) promised him all kinds of technical training, hands on field work, promotion, raise etc. 2 years down the road, he's still stuck in the office most of the time doing sales work and the only hands on he gets is going to the warehouse occasionally for some QC.

And my brother is one engineer who really loves to get his hand dirty, mind you. I feel pity for him cos they made him hate his job so much now. He's still looking for a new job that really suits him.

p/s: And yeah, pls if it's possible, move this to RWI or Education Essentials. Trolls coming in to race

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hes generalizing MALAYSIANs not Malays.. why u so butthurt? all the success has gotten into your head?
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Maybe he is answering all the other posts in the thread. Which i believe you might have read.


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oh god...we really need to change the policy.hope the gomen read this news, no wonder malaysia progress are too slow...
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design engineers. thats one of the main diff. a good scenario. my uncle say he has 13 master engineers under him. 1 chinese very good in theory, design nuclear plant so perfect but its not practical at all because that fking dude nvr thought of budget, market, safety, practical onot. unlike those german engineers can provide the best designs because they were grown up in such environment. butthurt.

about pay. in switzerland, a cashier or toilet lady earn rm12k per month, could hardly survive in zurich. a master freshman in engineering can earn.......rm18k per month, couldnt even afford a family in decent living.

the diff is only 6k, which is peanut. so dun complain.
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I support your arguement. By the way, Engineers in today's world, most not wanting to dirty their hands. That's waht my US vendors told me, they are getting too much degree till they didn't know how to hand their design. I don't know about you, unless there are already standards in design application, oherwise, why don't a designer go down on the field to at least see his design being implemented, look at whatever possible problems that may arises?

By the way, I am and engineer and a hands on person. Don't point design something, everything will works, but at what expenses? OR worse still, don't work and soemone correct your istake and make it work. At the end of the day, what do the engineer learn? This happen to one of the former company I worked with. Another case, Engineer in oil field, US consultants told me engineer don't wnat to go to the field to inspect their design as the design only need to put together some standardised detail parts together to form a complete unit as a whole. I can't recall what that was as it was already some 17 yrs ago.

Don't mean to demean engineers here, but there are as many, good at talking but not in application.
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I support your arguement.  By the way, Engineers in today's world, most not wanting to dirty their hands.  That's waht my US vendors told me, they are getting too much degree  till they didn't know how to hand their design.    I don't know about you, unless there are already standards in design application, oherwise, why don't a designer go down on the field to at least see his design being implemented, look at whatever possible problems that may arises?

By the way, I am and engineer and a hands on person.  Don't point design something, everything will works, but at what expenses?  OR worse still, don't work and soemone correct your istake and make it work.  At the end of the day, what do the engineer learn?  This happen to one of the former company I worked with.  Another case, Engineer in oil field, US consultants told me engineer don't wnat to go to the field to inspect their design as the design only need to put together  some standardised detail parts together to form a complete unit as a whole.  I can't recall what that was as it was already some 17 yrs ago. 

Don't mean to demean engineers here, but there are as many, good at talking but not in application.
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But good in application and bad in communicating/talking which translates my trouble in comprehending your text above.
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malaysian can screwup, but we can finaly get the job done YOO..
DONT TALK COCK ABOUT MALAYSIAN ENGINEER>>CUZ WE MAKE PROTON U KNOW ??
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woot... msia engineer only makes a few irrelevant parts of proton okay!

Most... parts are Mitsubishi 20years old tech!
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QUOTE(adrieahmad @ Oct 3 2010, 01:09 AM)
come on bro. I am a malay engineer here and have worked in germany for 2 years. Now i am one the very few specialized metering instrumentation engineer here and have 3 patents under my name. Lazy? far from it. I sit in the various international committee and regularly meet with fellow engineers from germany etc etc Successful, yes very. Dont play the race card and dont be a sohai la
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wooo u are 1 of the the very few!!!!im proud of u mann(seriously) notworthy.gif

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hes generalizing MALAYSIANs not Malays.. why u so butthurt? all the success has gotten into your head?
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please read other posts thank you.

these people who look down on proton engineers i wanna see them design some car.
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please read other posts thank you.

these people who look down on proton engineers i wanna see them design some car.
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oh my god, i cant actually believe what i'm reading! someone actually defended proton! hi there, have you watched Top Gear crushing and criticising our local cars?! our engineers are such failure and i is sad.
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QUOTE(cubix @ Oct 3 2010, 10:01 PM)
oh my god, i cant actually believe what i'm reading! someone actually defended proton! hi there, have you watched Top Gear crushing and criticising our local cars?! our engineers are such failure and i is sad.
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jamie clarke right?
he's bias...even complain bout kelisa & kenari but not complain any to daihatsu move(kenari based on) & other( kelisa is based)

bias is obvious

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QUOTE(adrieahmad @ Oct 3 2010, 01:09 AM)
come on bro. I am a malay engineer here and have worked in germany for 2 years. Now i am one the very few specialized metering instrumentation engineer here and have 3 patents under my name. Lazy? far from it. I sit in the various international committee and regularly meet with fellow engineers from germany etc etc Successful, yes very. Dont play the race card and dont be a sohai la
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You must be a real sohai if you if you even have a slight thought that people here would believe what you post about being a patent holder.


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QUOTE(cubix @ Oct 3 2010, 10:01 PM)
oh my god, i cant actually believe what i'm reading! someone actually defended proton! hi there, have you watched Top Gear crushing and criticising our local cars?! our engineers are such failure and i is sad.
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lol he's just butthurt because we own Lotus. Lotus = British Carmaker.
and have you seen any laymen asian car get good reviews in TopGear? LOL!

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You must be a real sohai if you if you even have a slight thought that people here would believe what you post about being a patent holder.
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QUOTE(cubix @ Oct 3 2010, 10:01 PM)
oh my god, i cant actually believe what i'm reading! someone actually defended proton! hi there, have you watched Top Gear crushing and criticising our local cars?! our engineers are such failure and i is sad.
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i defend proton? i just say i want to look you guys design a car.
if you don't watch all top gear episodes please don't make conclusions
jeremy clarkson says a lot of negative things to expensive cars, be it porsche, bmw x6.
and i'm not interested in proton cars nowadays.
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How dare Gruber sedition, ISA him now, report to Interpol, open door, loose the dogs of war!

Malaysia will pwn Germany!
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Oct 3 2010, 10:07 PM)
jamie clarke right?
he's bias...even complain bout kelisa & kenari but not complain any to daihatsu move(kenari based on) & other( kelisa is based)

bias is obvious
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I like him.

He said the Kelisa sound like a name for a bacteria.


I lulz.


German Cars FTW!!!!!!!!!
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well it true.. why so buthurt ? i admit i am a lazy engineer and will try to avoid going to site and get dirty

any1 here who say the opposite is just a plane liar
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malaysian engineers are lazy

melayu cina india all the same
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Somewhat disagree.
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QUOTE(bbmars @ Oct 3 2010, 08:27 PM)
I support your arguement.  By the way, Engineers in today's world, most not wanting to dirty their hands.  That's waht my US vendors told me, they are getting too much degree  till they didn't know how to hand their design.    I don't know about you, unless there are already standards in design application, oherwise, why don't a designer go down on the field to at least see his design being implemented, look at whatever possible problems that may arises?

By the way, I am and engineer and a hands on person.  Don't point design something, everything will works, but at what expenses?  OR worse still, don't work and soemone correct your istake and make it work.   At the end of the day, what do the engineer learn?  This happen to one of the former company I worked with.  Another case, Engineer in oil field, US consultants told me engineer don't wnat to go to the field to inspect their design as the design only need to put together  some standardised detail parts together to form a complete unit as a whole.  I can't recall what that was as it was already some 17 yrs ago. 

Don't mean to demean engineers here, but there are as many, good at talking but not in application.
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good to know an experienced engineer supports my statement. some elders out there butthurt kena criticize by a 18. cry.gif cry.gif


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well it true.. why so buthurt ? i admit i am a lazy engineer and will try to avoid going to site and get dirty

any1 here who say the opposite is just a plane liar
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what i was trying to show was ppl like ^

sampah but too bad thats majority of malaysian engineer. too many engineers in the market now, title were given easily to those who can afford degree program. someone up there mentioned himself as lazy but his colleagues make him feel good. no competition in local market. majority mentality.

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well it true.. why so buthurt ? i admit i am a lazy engineer and will try to avoid going to site and get dirty

any1 here who say the opposite is just a plane liar
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you =/= everyone
get that into your thick skull you lazy ape.
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good to know an experienced engineer supports my statement. some elders out there butthurt kena criticize by a 18.  cry.gif  cry.gif
what i was trying to show was ppl like ^

sampah but too bad thats majority of malaysian engineer. too many engineers in the market now, title were given easily to those who can afford degree program. someone up there mentioned himself as lazy but his colleagues make him feel good. no competition in local market. majority mentality.
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wrong, the main reason why many engineer are lazy now are, everything is standardized, this procedure and technique for any issues or problem
basicly lack of problem solving situation, Many engineer learn from such experience that what make them busy and innovative

In malaysia, how rare u see big project that need creative thinking ? bina jalan ? bina jambatan ?
i used to be in maintenance, the proper procedure when machine spoil is, check the machine 1st, if under warranty call the vendor for technical assistant, if unable to locate fault,call the vendor technician over to have a check up

nvr ever repair the machine yourself.. so it almost like a desk job.. all those enthusiasm to becoming engineer soon lost in time
QUOTE(rizq @ Oct 4 2010, 03:20 AM)
you =/= everyone
get that into your thick skull you lazy ape.
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tepuk dada tanya selera

if boss ask u go site, dont tell me u sincerely go without complaining or whining a single bit even to yourself
it goes from the top to bottom regardless of ranks
it the mentality of all Malaysian, i have meet foreigner engineer,, i admit they are very initiative, they even work like kuli just to fix thing on time, while i saw my junior just laughing off at one side.
of course i feel malu and decide to go help them and build some relation

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yes, exactly point delivered. this is community mentality and such phenomena is near to impossible to change in near future. theres no competition and excess innovation will not gain equivalent award. we cant blame local engineers.

of course, i respect local engineers who still work with full innovation. because they are more awesome and tougher than those decided to flee to other country and shine there.
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BTW, malaysian engineer or singapore engineer or German engineer have their own fair share of lazy individual.. only diff we have more they have less
there no such thing as 100% perfect individual in the world

the reason why foreigner are hardworking is because they have assessment based report by their team leader or so.. if u lazy, u can pack your bag and say goodbye as u will be unemployed tomorrow.. heard from one of the foreign engineer i used to work with

back in malaysia ? team leader ownself lazy ape, u expect his members to be hardworking ? So why are so buthurt ppl say malaysian engineer are lazy ?

quest_5692 u 18years old ? if yess.. dont speak too soon, once u work u will meet all kind of ppl

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yes. of course there are lazy engineers here in zurich. but they will get pushed by the majorities, let say 80%. community pressure.

in malaysia. too bad., its another way round. if u too good, maybe ur manager will butt hurt and talk bad about you.
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In the Uk and Middle east they try to avoid Malaysia Chinese engineer cos they said this engineer are lazy and not trustable...this engineer got stereotype with conn job
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In the Uk and Middle east they try to avoid Malaysia Chinese engineer cos they said this engineer are lazy and not trustable...this engineer got stereotype with conn job
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where u get this info ? as far i know ppl there even if u from SG or MY or Japan they still see u as asian
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somebody tell that to proton ppl
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You can ask the white guy and white lady from all over the world in the Malaysia sure they will said they dont like chinese very much and i talk a lot with them
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somebody tell that to proton ppl
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designer build design the car, engineer design suitable step and procedure in manufacturing process.. ugly design go blame the designer

if u ask mechnical engineer to design car, u think he can come out with sleek looking car while most of the time he design pipe system and more technical stuff
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sometime i dont know why people always blame the engineer when designer design crap looking car
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You can ask the white guy and white lady from all over the world in the Malaysia sure they will said they dont like chinese very much and i talk a lot with them
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oo really ? i would love to see that as far i know my boss is a mat salleh.. i dont see him going around tell chinese are con man.. If so u wont see a lot asian engineer are at US oil rig also
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QUOTE(vapeace @ Oct 4 2010, 03:07 AM)
designer build design the car, engineer design suitable step and procedure in manufacturing process.. ugly design go blame the designer

if u ask mechnical engineer to design car, u think he can come out with sleek looking  car while most of the time he design pipe system and more technical stuff
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not just a design but everything dude
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alah most part u can find everywhere... it all standard part who the hell so stupid go redesign standard part

top want cut cost, simple loh.. use lower grade or thinner steel sheet.. want cut cost sumore, design part can be build with plastic wnat cut cost sumore redesign whole frame to use minimum amount of raw material

that why u see ppl die in proton everyday..
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Not all malaysians are lazy, only 1 particular race......
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QUOTE(quackers @ Oct 2 2010, 04:26 PM)
Not all malaysians are lazy, only 1 particular race......
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yeah dude. ur race la. 50 year plus of independent and still got racist ppl. grow up la dude
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Oct 2 2010, 04:23 PM)

Social acceptance is equally high in Germany whether you are a painter, an electrician or an engineer - as long as you are a master of your craft. "In fact, if you are a good electrician, you will be highly respected and earn good money."

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I like what he says here. True. We are lacking social acceptance or appreciation for people working unconventional jobs. Closest example, look at how most of our people treat restaurant waiters/workers.
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if any of you guys need proof about malaysian engineers being useless all you have to look is proton after 20yrs still a useless company doh.gif ...and you all know which race dominate that place lah...lol
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On unrelated news, I just voted in the EngAus state elections and the prevoted for a new Royal Charter to be signed by Lizzie II or Quentin Bryce.

In all honesty I read all the candidate statements and considered their contributions to the profession and the community as a whole, but ultimately, my vote was skewed by the relative "entertainment" or "awesome" value i attached to the candidate's name. Eg; Steven Blades. Seriously, any man badass enough to be named BLADES has to be given a high preference vote. Some sad indian guy got the lowest of my votes because his name sounded like assf***, i kid you not.


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yea puts me to shame, an engineer but not <insert race>
write reports, write tenders, reprogram some stuff, go here n there teach ppl bout reprogramming =X
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yea puts me to shame, an engineer but not <insert race>
write reports, write tenders, reprogram some stuff, go here n there teach ppl bout reprogramming =X
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bosan ? what to do ?
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true fact: want to be as advanced as the Germans? Get into a war and fight it. We can have one with Indonesia and Singapore.
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true fact: want to be as advanced as the Germans? Get into a war and fight it. We can have one with Indonesia and Singapore.
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I think this perhaps can be true tongue.gif

look at Israel who had constant war throughout the decades...they excel so much coz they need to be at highest level of technologies...if not they will screwed badly
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I wonder why Perkosa have not lodge polis report against this mat salleh with misai for challenging Bumi rights?!
Common Ali...u can do it! Then perkosa can get international notice...
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=) he did enuf shame for malaysian. some of my knowledgable swiss friends already know. but majority europeans 1st image of malaysia still the model that drink beer then wanna kena whip.
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This is so true and it's a shame that the German even know what's happening in our country. How did he knew the true story?
Must be some Malaysian Insider who reported to him smile.gif

Anyway it's normal in developed countries for fresh engineering grad to do odd jobs such as technicians, sales rep or trainee/repairman.It is through years of experience and knowledge that they could finally become a real engineer which resume a role of a managerial position in technical know-how. What he said about Malaysians had ideas that engineers sit comfortably in cozy offices is so true.

Most importantly even as fresh graduates who start low end jobs such as painters, repairman, field technicians, sales rep the difference between their country and Malaysia is their salary rates.
Their technicians and painters for what you know earns more than our so called "engineers".




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those bebudak LI are there for a reason

why beating arse when you can let these kids beating their arse themselves?
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QUOTE(vapeace @ Oct 4 2010, 02:37 AM)

In malaysia, how rare u see big project that need creative thinking ? bina jalan ? bina jambatan ?
i used to be in maintenance, the proper procedure when machine spoil is, check the machine 1st, if under warranty call the vendor for technical assistant, if unable to locate fault,call the vendor technician over to have a check up 

nvr ever repair the machine yourself.. so it almost like a desk job.. all those enthusiasm to becoming engineer soon lost in time
tepuk dada tanya selera

if boss ask u go site, dont tell me u sincerely go without complaining or whining a single bit even to yourself
it goes from the top to bottom regardless of ranks
it the mentality of all Malaysian, i have meet foreigner engineer,, i admit they are very initiative, they even work like kuli just to fix thing on time, while i saw my junior just laughing off at one side.
of course i feel malu and decide to go help them and build some relation
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You have some truth in what you said. Sometimes, its n ot just laziness. Problem is, when people started out sourcing to cut cost and optimise their resources.... this is going to happen. Like say, Big MNC project let to Sub-con. Sub-con do everything to do resolve any problems because they want the business. So Engineers in MNC... .ha..ha... what do you think they will do? Easy job, anything don't know, call Sub-con. This is happeing in SG. Those who really know their stuff are the smaller compaines.. The big MNC... NOT all engineers are like that, but mostly talk big and work with their mouth. So you have engineers on one hand, know everything. On the other hand, engineers also know nothing but talk only
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QUOTE(vapeace @ Oct 4 2010, 03:03 AM)
where u get this info ? as far i know ppl there even if u from SG or MY or Japan they still see u as asian
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Yes, see you as asian, however, there are some truth when I was in Germany. At munich airport on transit, I was carrying my camera and was asked to take a photo shot using the camera. Those days, they suspected that I am from China and my camera could have been used to store drugs. When at the company for training, the staff there expected some form of standard from you.

Of course, there are also the bad ones. Just that expectation varies. Just like, when I was at Frankfurt Airport buying chocolate at duty free shop and waiting for my turn to pay at the counter. The couple in front of me pay by credit card and the staff, flip his card all over and finally refused to accept it after asking some questions. That couple had to pay by CASH. When it was my turn, the staff immediately recognised my card and knew where I was from. NO question was asked and card payment excepted

I mean, its really up to us asians to change that perception, it just can't happen over night.

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post Oct 4 2010, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(FaTJ3sT3R aka Th!NjOK3R @ Oct 4 2010, 07:09 PM)
I wonder why Perkosa have not lodge polis report against this mat salleh with misai for challenging Bumi rights?!
Common Ali...u can do it! Then perkosa can get international notice...
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apakah kebodohan melampaui batas syurga dan neraka ini? he said MALAYSIANS not MALAYS.
lol at stupid racist malaysian.
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post Oct 4 2010, 08:51 PM

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malaysian race issue is not on the newspaper and tv, so its ok, only does who watch internet news and tv, then malaysian prince of the land term is quite famous in the EU forums. but the malay model drink beer that case, fui yoh, even my 16 years old classmates know about it. came out in newspaper and 8pm news in every country. but it was a one sided report, as a malaysian, i think the reporters are prejudicing the syariah law.
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vroommm...
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post Oct 4 2010, 09:33 PM

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German handbuild engine every1 want, if got handbuild engine here no 1 dare hit the start button.
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post Oct 4 2010, 10:18 PM

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the germans are totally wrong...u go to other industry and see how deep shit we are...everday go back so late...cannot sleep well every night...go back also clothes very dirty..

who said malaysian engineers are lazy?
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mr gunter is really funny people during GMI convo....
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post Oct 4 2010, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(rizq @ Oct 4 2010, 08:50 PM)
apakah kebodohan melampaui batas syurga dan neraka ini? he said MALAYSIANS not MALAYS.
lol at stupid racist malaysian.
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MALAYsian engineers made up of 90% local grads... 90% local grads is MALAY... so 81% msian engineers are MALAY!!!!!!!!!
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post Oct 4 2010, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(sibugi @ Oct 4 2010, 10:20 PM)
MALAYsian engineers made up of 90% local grads... 90% local grads is MALAY... so 81% msian engineers are MALAY!!!!!!!!!
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and chinese are the one who only know how to tok kok in front of the boss
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QUOTE(rizq @ Oct 4 2010, 08:50 PM)
apakah kebodohan melampaui batas syurga dan neraka ini? he said MALAYSIANS not MALAYS.
lol at stupid racist malaysian.
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Sir...read the entire post and not just the big letters....
I'm referring to this line "Another factor which he feels is holding back German investors is the Bumiputera equity policy."
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QUOTE(zack85 @ Oct 4 2010, 11:21 PM)
and chinese are the one who only know how to tok kok in front of the boss
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u no tok kok, the other will tok kok .. Opis politic Everywhere the same.. u are not working are you ?
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QUOTE(FaTJ3sT3R aka Th!NjOK3R @ Oct 4 2010, 10:29 PM)
Sir...read the entire post and not just the big letters....
I'm referring to this line "Another factor which he feels is holding back German in