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post Oct 2 2010, 04:23 PM, updated 14y ago

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"MALAYSIA ENGINEERS NEED TO WORK MORE HARDER AND CONTINUOUSLY DEVELOP THEIR SKILL"

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Several factors are deterrents to a larger number of German investors putting their money into Malaysia, and top of the list is the lack of a qualified workforce.

"Malaysia doesn't need Nobel laureates or a man who can go to the moon but qualified, hands-on people to raise their level of competence," said German Ambassador to Malaysia, Dr Guenter Georg Gruber.

He said Malaysians appear to have the notion that an engineer's work is to get suited up and sit in the office all day.

"Nobody in Germany does that. A qualified engineer goes down to the pits and repair the machines himself, if need be, and he is respected for the willingness to get his hands dirty. Here, the engineers are ... different."

He said this boils down to the lack of emphasis and importance placed in vocational training.

Possibly, it stems from the lack of social acceptance of a person who works with his hands here, Gruber told Business Times in an interview in conjunction with the 20th anniversary of the reunification of East and West Germany tomorrow.

Social acceptance is equally high in Germany whether you are a painter, an electrician or an engineer - as long as you are a master of your craft. "In fact, if you are a good electrician, you will be highly respected and earn good money."

This appreciation of applied knowledge is probably what propelled Germany to become a world leader in innovation, science and technology today.

As a case in point, he cited his two brothers: one who is a painter and the other, an electrician. Both earn more than he does.

Malaysians are too engrossed in the paper chase that they forget about skill acquisition. Parents' role in this obsession cannot be downplayed, Gruber said.

"You should always ask what the industry needs. But here, parents only want to send their children abroad, (probably) to some third-class university to get a foreign degree."
(well malaysia typical mentality is local no good, imported product is drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif )

Another factor which he feels is holding back German investors is the Bumiputera equity policy.

Germany's "hidden champions" - the powerful, often family-owned small- and medium-scale enterprises (SMEs) - are keen to invest here, but are wary of having to give up a substantial share of their business to a "complete foreigner".

"These are often businesses which have been kept in the family for possibly hundreds of years. They would not want to share their company with someone they don't know."

Although they have heard of many positive news from the government on reducing the equity quota, Gruber said that many were still hesitant and adopting a "wait and see" attitude to assess how the new policies would be implemented.

One major German SME which is already here, B-Braun Medical Supplies Sdn Bhd, is currently suffering from market access problems due to the Bumiputera issue, he disclosed.

B-Braun is a company with worldwide presence and an established history of supplying medical solutions in the surgical, pharmaceutical and healthcare management fields.

It does not have a Bumiputera partner, which prevents the company from bidding for government contracts.

"B-Braun has been investing since 1972 because they have had good experience here and want to continue. But they are being excluded in public tendering because of the Bumiputera issue," said Gruber.

Although this was initially regarded as a "small issue", it is now becoming a sore point for the company as a new Asean rule states that any company excluded from public tender in an Asean member's market "would be excluded from all Asean markets".

"This is not a very positive image for Malaysia if you want to attract more foreign investments," Gruber said.

Germany has long been recognised for its "highly specialised small and medium enterprises" segment. They are often called "hidden champions" because most produce inconspicuous products but are global market leaders in their own segments.

"We don't want to impose any ideas on the Malaysian government. They have to choose for themselves whether they want to evolve to remain competitive. Malaysia is doing a lot of reforms as we speak and many initiatives are laudable and fantastic. But implementation, as always, has been a bit of an issue here."

Germany is one of the top four investors in Malaysia in terms of cumulative investment value, currently at more than RM16 billion.

Even during times ofeconomic crisis, such as last year, when overall foreign direct investments into Malaysia dwindled considerably, fresh money was still coming in from Germany of about RM200 million.

Gruber said that although German investments have remained quite constant, Malaysia has to work harder to stay competitive.

"We have to be frank. A lot of investment goes to China now and to be and remain a world-class leader, Malaysia has to find its niche."

He suggested that the country look at expending its efforts in developing the renewable energy and pharmaceutical sectors.

"Malaysia is uniquely blessed with many renewable energy sources - palm oil, biomass, sun, water - but it has not fully capitalised on them," Gruber said.

source : http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

the turning point of superior Germany economy in Europe start from this man.. in World War II ~ during his time got so many alien invention in engineering.. even "molecule science" and "rocket science" that current universities in this world study derived from this man era


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post Oct 2 2010, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(coldogno7 @ Oct 2 2010, 04:27 PM)
gaji not as high as the germans,thats why
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look what he said..

Malaysians appear to have the notion that an engineer's work is to get suited up and sit in the office all day.

"Nobody in Germany does that. A qualified engineer goes down to the pits and repair the machines himself, if need be, and he is respected for the willingness to get his hands dirty. Here, the engineers are ... different."

.. i think in Malaysia, the one who are willing to get their hand dirty is only indon and bangla workers.

we need to change our attitude.. i am agree with him!
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post Oct 2 2010, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 04:34 PM)
i would say, this is very true. no bullshit. i could say Zurich is a very German city and here, the real engineers come from those sekolah technical. they dun go to high school after 12 years old, straight go apprenticeship, they got to do a lot of practical and they are learning in school with the most advanced machine. not some fking physics books. then after high school, dey go to University together with those come out from high school. and pawn everyone because their practical very geng, once walk in factory wat oso noe how to do. unlike those from MIT or ETH, noe talk cock oni.
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Germany is one of a nation where it have so little universities but so much technical and polytechnic institution.. they prioritize on technical skill first, the nation which prioritize education from 3 years old with kindergarten.. they go for real industry practical every year during their school.

in Malaysia i think, our collaboration of industry and school is very low. Everybody here in Malaysia only have business mindset without thinking of developing the next capable engineers and leaders.

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post Oct 2 2010, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Never Going Give You Up @ Oct 2 2010, 04:37 PM)
Eh why u never highlight this one?

One major German SME which is already here, B-Braun Medical Supplies Sdn Bhd, is currently suffering from market access problems due to the Bumiputera issue, he disclosed.
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it is not the race problem or policy problem.. it is attitude problem

Germany once upon a time ago use the master race.. ARYAN RACE policy and during that time they come-out with so many alien engineering.

study the history.
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post Oct 2 2010, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(coldogno7 @ Oct 2 2010, 04:44 PM)
what malaysia need is a hitler
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i support.. LOL laugh.gif



"We want honestly to earn the resurrection of our people through our industry, our perseverance, our will. We ask not of the Almighty "Lord, make us free"!—we want to be active, to work, to agree together as brothers, to strive in rivalry with one another to bring about the hour when we can come before Him and when we may ask of Him: "Lord, Thou seest that we have transformed ourselves, the German people is not longer the people of dishonour, of shame, of war within itself, of faintheartedness and little faith: no, Lord, the German people has become strong again in spirit, strong in will, strong in endurance, strong to bear all sacrifices." "Lord, we will not let Thee go: bless now our fight for our freedom; the fight we wage for our German people and Fatherland." - Adolf Hitler

"Providence has not led us along these amazing paths in vain. On the day that the party was founded I recalled that our nation once gained immense victories. Then it became ungrateful, disunited, sinned against itself. Thereupon it was punished by Providence. We deserved our defeat. If a nation forgets itself as completely as the German nation did at that time, if it thinks that it can shake off all honor and all good faith, Providence can do nothing but teach it a hard and bitter lesson. But even at that time we were convinced that once our nation found itself again, once it again became industrious and honorable, once each individual German stood up for his nation first and not for himself, once he placed the interests of the community above his own personal interests, once the whole nation again pursued a great ideal, once it was prepared to stake everything for this ideal, the hour would come when the Lord would declare our trials at an end." - Adolf Hitler

honestly, his speech is always very amazing.. no wonder millions of people rally to support him that time although he is evil.
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post Oct 2 2010, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(w3er @ Oct 2 2010, 05:03 PM)
Ibrahim Ali =/ Hitler?
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he just talk cock la.
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post Oct 2 2010, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(Muhammad Nur Hanief @ Oct 2 2010, 05:09 PM)
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"To make that many people turn and change and hate, he had to be a showman and he was." - Michael Jackson about Adolf Hitler

source : http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/jack...9-1225779490010

Michael Jackson promo in Germany.. rclxub.gif


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post Oct 2 2010, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 05:39 PM)
you are talking to someone living in zurich.
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Universität Zürich is where Albert Einstein study before..

other well known people who study there is Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, very well known for his invention in X-RAY, that usually u can saw it in hospital nowaday... it is German-speaking city, largest city in Switzerland.

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post Oct 2 2010, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 05:45 PM)
actually the one famous for engineering course is ETH aka Institute of Technology of Zurich. ranked first place in Europe same as Polytechnic of Paris. not Universitat Zurich...
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i think from that Institute, come 24 NOBEL PRIZE winners already right?

why r German-speaking education they prioritize on technical skill (so much polytechnics and technical school)
unlike English-speaking education that prioritize on management skill.

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post Oct 2 2010, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 05:57 PM)
i have no mean to look down at malaysian engineers. dun butt hurt. i had controlled a lot in my later comments.
and yes, just google out how many german speakings physicians had won the noble prize.
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Malaysia not win anything for Nobel Prize yet..
our education system Sekolah Kebangsaan, Sekolah Jenis Cina, Sekolah Jenis Tamil didn't produce any Nobel prize winner yet.. sad.gif

in south east asia only vietnam had won the Nobel Prize.. but that one is for peace not for engineering or science technology. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:15 PM)
to be honest......i had moved to zurich and will settle down there probably for the next 20 years. BUT, one thing for sure, i will retire in Malaysia, or come back during my 40s to start small business because i love malaysia as a place to live. i can earn die those ang mo money but i want to live in KL, shopping in one utama, makan roti canai, makan laksa.....and troll in lowyat kopitiam.
malaysia created pendrive, very 7 yeng d ok.....XD im not sure if the guy who created fibre optic cable won noble prize recently got related to malaysia onot but he is a chinese......
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PenDrive if i am not mistaken, technology from Taiwan but Malaysia become the HQ of its marketing world wide.

in Shah Alam before this Motorola hired so much of Malaysian computer scientist for their cpu/chip R&D..
some university in shah alam got its blueprint of that project.. but now i don't know what happen to it.

maybe now lost in action laugh.gif
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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:29 PM)
good engineer always stay late to solve the matter, but when it come to salary it doesn't worth, it's better to go back early, save ur time n mind ur health..

learn so many techinical stuff n theories suppose will make u become valuable in oversea... but in malaysia, it won't worth.. political, costing, will just burden urself.. it's about surviving in malaysia.. don't look to the shit of title
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ah u internet people.. is it??

here some source of Malaysia engineers salary.. base salary

http://www.interec.net/salary/servlet/SkyS...y&submit=Submit

look at the survey statistics and data given there

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