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 EMPIRE CITY @ Damansara Perdana/Mutiara Damansara, Mixed Development Project in Damasara KL

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post Mar 22 2016, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(l4nunm4l4y4 @ Mar 22 2016, 09:12 AM)
As of KPKT Source as at 22/01/2016, Mammoth Empire Land Sdn Bhd is listed under "Pemaju Projek Sakit"

And my most hated developer of all time, Talam F**king Corporation has changed their name to Talam Transform, NMSH CCB KNN developer still exist.

All these developers must be politically connected and house buyers are ***cked upside down.
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what does it mean by Project sakit?
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post Mar 22 2016, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(Donald Trump @ Mar 22 2016, 08:54 AM)
my banker friend sent me this morning(continuation of what the Edge suspected)
u can say what u like and try to convince as much as u can on dev side BUT Ambank is making some sort of provision to write down the 900M EC loan(like doubtful debt)......is like as near as NPL.....
It could well be NPL now(we suspect) as bank refused to comment further but when u see bank reactions like that is unfortunately clear sign of boh goh seh liau....and also kena this Ambank which major ahareholder is ANZ...mat salleh will not hesitate to take stern action like liquadation proceedings as compare to "mari nego" type local culture
really really bad news unfortunately for meh buyers.....now that we know what is going on...... buyers should even be more brave to come out in mass to protect your blood money.....b4 it is too late
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mind to translate the chinese news to english for us?
ANZ I read is shutting ops in Malaysia and asia
WOw, still so hot this thread.

new on ANZ
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...round-100-jobs/

Already under consideration is the sale of minority stakes in banks in Indonesia, Malaysia and China, for which Elliott has put Deputy Chief Executive Graham Hodges in charge.

As part of this retreat, the bank has been trying to sell its 39 percent stake in PT Bank Pan Indonesia Tbk (Panin) , Reuters previously reported.

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post Mar 22 2016, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Mar 22 2016, 10:13 AM)
what does it mean by Project sakit?
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project that cant be completed and vped for whatever reason ie abandoned- developer bankrupt, developer run away etc..
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Mar 22 2016, 10:13 AM)
what does it mean by Project sakit?
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Mammoth Empire already listed as BLACKLISTED DEVELOPERS involved in Sick Projects

So EC must be one of their SICK projects.



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post Mar 22 2016, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(shinchan^^ @ Mar 22 2016, 10:13 AM)
what does it mean by Project sakit?
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Projek Sakit : Projek yang mengalami kelewatan melebihi 30% berbanding kemajuan yang sepatutnya atau telah tamat tempoh Perjanjian Jual Beli (PJB).

http://ehome.kpkt.gov.my/index.php/pages/view/79
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Mar 22 2016, 09:01 AM)
actually ah, just asking.
are there any recourse for purchasers to back up from the purchase prior to vp?
new hda spa have a clause on withdrawal even after signing with some penalties.
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Yes HDA have exit strategy. For non-HDA gotta look at the SPA itself. But i doubt they'll spell it out if indeed its written to the developer's benefit.
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(l4nunm4l4y4 @ Mar 22 2016, 11:07 AM)
Mammoth Empire already listed as BLACKLISTED DEVELOPERS involved in Sick Projects

So EC must be one of their SICK projects.
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Kalau sakit....kasi ubat loh.....boleh baik punya
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(xtracooljustin @ Mar 22 2016, 11:21 AM)
Yes HDA have exit strategy. For non-HDA gotta look at the SPA itself. But i doubt they'll spell it out if indeed its written to the developer's benefit.
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Exit only makes sense if it is still early.

When some people already say they need to do installment already, meaning is already almost 100% dispersed, what to exit ? Who will vomit back the money ?
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QUOTE(l4nunm4l4y4 @ Mar 22 2016, 11:07 AM)
Mammoth Empire already listed as BLACKLISTED DEVELOPERS involved in Sick Projects

So EC must be one of their SICK projects.
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I noticed Empire Subang is under different company name, even though it's still under MEH group.

Do they use one project one company ?

This post has been edited by puchongite: Mar 22 2016, 11:30 AM
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:31 AM

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Link online for the Ambank news

http://www.enanyang.my/news/20160322/%E5%A...BF%9D%E7%BA%A6/
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 22 2016, 11:30 AM)
I noticed Empire Subang is under different company name, even though it's still under MEH group.

Do they use one project one company ?
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Usually developer will create new company for new project. Once the project is completed fully they can close the company and cease to file return.

But the holding company is still responsible for any liability...

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post Mar 22 2016, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 22 2016, 11:34 AM)
Usually developer will create new company for new project. Once the project is completed fully they can close the company and cease to file return.

But the holding company is still responsible for any liability...
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If it is one project one company name, then the 'projek sakit' referred to by KPKT is indeed Empire City.


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QUOTE(xtracooljustin @ Mar 22 2016, 11:31 AM)
TQVM!
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 22 2016, 11:37 AM)
If it is one project one company name, then the 'projek sakit' referred to by KPKT is indeed Empire City.
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Really? usually the company name is different than the project name de.....for some unexplained reason....

From my experience.....
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(xtracooljustin @ Mar 22 2016, 11:31 AM)
The news says Ambank can salvage some thing back from Empire City even if it has to write off the loan, assuming somebody will still eventually take the project to completion.
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:51 AM

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Mostly like if end up incomplete, end financier for project will take over and nego with owner to top up a little so that a new contractor will be hired to complete it.

This happened to Rhythm Avenue in USJ which Ambank did it this way. So fingers cross for all EC owners. Good luck.
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Mar 22 2016, 11:51 AM)
Mostly like if end up incomplete, end financier for project will take over and nego with owner to top up a little so that a new contractor will be hired to complete it.

This happened to Rhythm Avenue in USJ which Ambank did it this way. So fingers cross for all EC owners. Good luck.
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Maisson Ara Damansara happened the same thing too. owner need to apply extra 200k of bank loans as top up i heard.

Can elaborate more on the Ambank news? so the 900k is confirm loaning to MEH?
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post Mar 22 2016, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Informationiac @ Mar 22 2016, 11:55 AM)
Maisson Ara Damansara happened the same thing too. owner need to apply extra 200k of bank loans as top up i heard.

Can elaborate more on the Ambank news? so the 900k is confirm loaning to MEH?
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900m
Not 900k bro.
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post Mar 22 2016, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 22 2016, 11:47 AM)
The news says Ambank can salvage some thing back from Empire City even if it has to write off the loan,  assuming somebody will still eventually take the project to completion.
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QUOTE(butthead76 @ Mar 22 2016, 11:51 AM)
Mostly like if end up incomplete, end financier for project will take over and nego with owner to top up a little so that a new contractor will be hired to complete it.

This happened to Rhythm Avenue in USJ which Ambank did it this way. So fingers cross for all EC owners. Good luck.
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VPd unit loan is draw downed fully. Where to find $ to complete unless from buyers/owners. Beside uncompleted works, what about payment to existing contractors and suppliers?

If the shopping mall is not sold, Ambank may able to recover a portion of their loan. Doubt Ambank will have any interest on VPd units.

If architect is in house; QS, M&E consultants, etc are likely be inhouse also. To obtain ccc, will need their approvals, mean opportunity for developer's 2nd harvest.


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post Mar 22 2016, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(xtracooljustin @ Mar 22 2016, 11:31 AM)
The online english translation :-

Media reports, AmBank (AMBANK, 1015, board financial stocks) provided a loan of 900 million ringgit, to be responsible for Empire City project Mammoth Empire Holdings.

The completion date of this project, extended from the end of 2014 show last year, and then again adjourned to September.

The gross development value of RM5 billion integrated industrial projects, including five-star hotels, service apartments, office buildings and shopping malls.

Experts recommend:

This is bad news, but we can not conclude this, 900 million loans provided by banks in Malaysia will have been liquidated.

Suppose, however, Mammoth Empire Holdings liquidated, is expected to drag on total NPLs AmBank 2016 fiscal year rose 55%, and then push the total NPL ratio 0.9 percentage points to 2.7%.

In terms of earnings, if this AmBank loans set aside 50% of the provision, which will lead to fiscal year 2017 net profit is expected to decrease by 23.5%, the target price will be down 11 sen to 5.09 ringgit.

Currently, AmBank has not provided any information on the loan, the bank has not yet these loans as bad debts, no more of this provision be required.

Even in the worst case, I believe AmBank also benefit from the Empire City project, to reduce losses.

Based on the valuation of the stock is still attractive, and net profit per share in fiscal 2017 is expected to return to Yang, we reiterate "overweight" rating.

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