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 EMPIRE CITY @ Damansara Perdana/Mutiara Damansara, Mixed Development Project in Damasara KL

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post Mar 17 2016, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Mar 17 2016, 11:13 PM)
Ya, seriously. With Empire City such a huge project, it is damn easy to cut corners if they want to. From concrete mix of poorer grade to fewer steel rebar per rebar column. All this is already covered up. When people starts moving in and the building starts to have real load, it would starts to crack. If this one building cracks bad enough, do you have the guts to stay in nearby towers?

Then we really become known as Banglasia. Only Bangladesh and Turkey have buildings collapse because of corruption or shoddy workmanship.
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i really hope empire don't cut cost and nothing happen in our city. although empire may be greedy but wish he's still know what he's doing

your comment reminds me the Taiwan earthquake last month where Wei Kuan Building A collapse and fall onto building B causes 2 building collapsed. Investigator found developer cut cost causes the tragedy.

if empire city collapsed it may have domino effects as buildings build so near to each other.

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post Mar 17 2016, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(westthen @ Mar 17 2016, 11:17 PM)
i personally don't think they dare to compromise with the structure...should more likely be shoddy workmanship and finishing...building wise no one dare to cut that much corner
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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Mar 17 2016, 11:25 PM)
taking these cheapskate "free SPA" will always lose out, depend more or less only, based on my twice experience bought properties in KL.
Because the lawyer "represent" both seller (developer) and buyers, conflict of interest. (this is NOT ALLOWED in UK, where I am living now, buyer, and seller must have TWO different Law firm to represent them). Cases in Msia, anything happen, lawyer will always side the Developer. from very small issue like retention sump, snagging, to big case like this Empire City.

So don't be cheap skate and appoint own lawyer for buying property, but the thing is, any SPA drafted by developer's lawyer, usually do not accept any negotiation of omit of any clause, it's a take it or leave it situation. That's why law-cautious people, will rather buy sub-sell.
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Er I don't think that is right .

If you sign a developer spa drafted by a developer lawyer then the lawyer represents the developer. You need to get your own representation if you want to dispute.

No conflict of interest
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post Mar 18 2016, 12:28 AM

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most buyers very cheapskate, sure they take Developer lawyer firm to get free legal doh.gif
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post Mar 18 2016, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(Minolta @ Mar 17 2016, 09:06 PM)
When it come then I buy popcorn and watch.

Now still all tok and no action.
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siapa cakap....go do a search on court case filed then come back tell me
u always say no since last time...now seems like many cases from many parties.....i dengar also confuse

correction on ur number of instalments....is 9 months already according my sourcey.....
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post Mar 18 2016, 12:36 AM

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I fail to understand why "Mr Lim" the non-owner is tanking the developer and doing all the exposé whereas very little owners have come forward with their own photos and complains.

Even in this thread I don't notice any actual owners are giving their side of story(ies). Majority comments are from outsiders which are non-owners.

As a non-owner, Mr Lim is even proceeding to attend to the LOD and seemed prepare to fight for the "truth". I may understand his stance and action if he's an actual owner and is suffering for potentially huge financial losses, but by just exposing the photos which went viral after 2 days, he could've just retracted it with apology and move on with his life without any harm to his pocket.

Yet, where are all the owners?

No matter which stance the owners take ie. 1. Pray developer complete it sooner rather than later or 2. Persuing the developer via legal channel, it's a lose-lose situation.

If they chose 1. and keep quiet, developer may be more daring and delay it even further, but there's a chance that it will eventually complete anyway. Owners suffer temporary losses of loan repayment while waiting for their units to be completed properly.

While if they proceed with option 2. by going through legal means, developer will too, counter with their papers that most - if not all - owners have signed without actually understanding it and are usually sided towards the vendor. Worst case scenario, developer found guilty and ruled to pay huge compensation, they may pack up, declare company bankruptcy and there goes the buildings in an abandoned state.

It's a huge dilemma for owners, I couldn't decide myself which route I will take if I'm one at the moment. I just don't understand why a non-owner is going public and yet still not backing down despite developer's LOD in which he will suffer potential financial losses for something that he's not even involved in. Getting the photos viral for a few days is really a good enough wake up call for owners, but why he is continuing to fight for a battle that is not even his?
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QUOTE(hakamika @ Mar 17 2016, 10:34 PM)
Mr lim should out from this "show", owner is the one who should be blame, Chinese always say 咎由自取。。take your own consequences since day one you sign the SPA...if developer run away..is your bad luck, don't hope someone like Mr lim to help you..at this point of time.. It can see that owner are useless group..no voices at all..pity..
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aiyo again dont simply open mouth when dun know the story line.....those that dont tcss here doesnt mean not taking action....in fact people here is all talk no actions
i for sure know there are few group filing class actions NOW....now...see or not now
EC u dun worry......hundreds are there waiting to file class action suit.....the interesting one is ER....under HDA.....see wat those owners can "menelan" this dev habis2 or not
as for that one dun know call wat....yah remix.....that one sorrylah hah.....even the land owner also boh pien already let alone these small stakeholder buyers

and you mr haka.....dun go pour salt into people wound and close ur big mouth too....those are their hard earn money....y dun u curse the dev instead

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QUOTE(netboy @ Mar 18 2016, 12:36 AM)
I fail to understand why "Mr Lim" the non-owner is tanking the developer and doing all the exposé whereas very little owners have come forward with their own photos and complains.

Even in this thread I don't notice any actual owners are giving their side of story(ies). Majority comments are from outsiders which are non-owners.

As a non-owner, Mr Lim is even proceeding to attend to the LOD and seemed prepare to fight for the "truth". I may understand his stance and action if he's an actual owner and is suffering for potentially huge financial losses, but by just exposing the photos which went viral after 2 days, he could've just retracted it with apology and move on with his life without any harm to his pocket.

Yet, where are all the owners?

No matter which stance the owners take ie. 1. Pray developer complete it sooner rather than later or 2. Persuing the developer via legal channel, it's a lose-lose situation.

If they chose 1. and keep quiet, developer may be more daring and delay it even further, but there's a chance that it will eventually complete anyway. Owners suffer temporary losses of loan repayment while waiting for their units to be completed properly.

While if they proceed with option 2. by going through legal means, developer will too, counter with their papers that most - if not all - owners have signed without actually understanding it and are usually sided towards the vendor. Worst case scenario, developer found guilty and ruled to pay huge compensation, they may pack up, declare company bankruptcy and there goes the buildings in an abandoned state.

It's a huge dilemma for owners, I couldn't decide myself which route I will take if I'm one at the moment. I just don't understand why a non-owner is going public and yet still not backing down despite developer's LOD in which he will suffer potential financial losses for something that he's not even involved in. Getting the photos viral for a few days is really a good enough wake up call for owners, but why he is continuing to fight for a battle that is not even his?
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how u know EC owners are not behind him??
and pls....dun ever mentioned about the agony or losses buyers will suffer if dev pack up.....
kalau mau gulung tikar.....terus buat sekarang
if fact it might eventually turn out to be a blessing
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QUOTE(Donald Trump @ Mar 18 2016, 12:44 AM)
how u know EC owners are not behind him??
and pls....dun ever mentioned about the agony or losses buyers will suffer if dev pack up.....
kalau mau gulung tikar.....terus buat sekarang
if fact it might eventually turn out to be a blessing
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It is good to know some owners have made their choice and went for legal means as you said.

My point is, I fail to understand why Mr Lim keep insisting on pursuing the case (now that he have successfully alerted and woke up many owners) and potentially suffer time and financial losses even if he's not an owner.

No matter what, I hope this whole project will be completed sooner rather than later. This is a huge scale project which if it fail will potentially have a domino effect on the market in years to come.

All the best to all owners.
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QUOTE(hakamika @ Mar 17 2016, 10:34 PM)
Mr lim should out from this "show", owner is the one who should be blame, Chinese always say 咎由自取。。take your own consequences since day one you sign the SPA...if developer run away..is your bad luck, don't hope someone like Mr lim to help you..at this point of time.. It can see that owner are useless group..no voices at all..pity..
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Bro..not all the owner also come here and post comment..
fyi, we r ready to sue developer soon..
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QUOTE(kkkk @ Mar 18 2016, 01:08 AM)
Bro..not all the owner also come here and post comment..
fyi, we r ready to sue developer soon..
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All the best to you. May all the odds be in your favor.
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post Mar 18 2016, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Mar 18 2016, 12:24 AM)
Er I don't think that is right .

If you sign a developer spa drafted by a developer lawyer then the lawyer represents the developer. You need to get your own representation if you want to dispute.

No conflict of interest
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Isn't that too later already?
You should have your lawyer, looking thru the SPA and highlight any dodgy clause to you, before you sign.
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Believe many buyers are flippers, don't intend to stay. They will let go at the first opportunity. Hence, won't be interested to take any legal action against the developer.

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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Mar 17 2016, 11:13 PM)

Then we really become known as Banglasia. Only Bangladesh and Turkey have buildings collapse because of corruption or shoddy workmanship.
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Only?

Cina dan india pun ada banyak bangunan tumbang leh
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This developer balance sheet pretty bad my friend told me.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 18 2016, 04:33 AM)
Believe many buyers are flippers, don't intend to stay. They will let go at the first opportunity. Hence, won't be interested to take any legal action against the developer.
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Yes exactly.
I believe 80-90% of units sold were flippers or non own stayers.
Investors bought 10-20units at one go de....

Even ownstay owners bought for own stay wlll change their mind about staying there after their vp or whatever the dev called it these days....

I havent been to ec but did visit ed when 'vped'.....over my dead body to stay there.....even for short term....
Taking the lift is like riding a roller coaster......scare scare.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 18 2016, 12:28 AM)
most buyers very cheapskate, sure they take Developer lawyer firm to get free legal doh.gif
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That is not considered cheapskate. Many people use developer lawyer but must see which developer.
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walau, cyber attack is getting hot already...

http://www.rojakpot.com/empire-city-damansara-trouble/

I wonder how long this will take to make it to the mainstream media...
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 18 2016, 06:17 AM)
Only?

Cina dan india pun ada banyak bangunan tumbang leh
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Taiwan also got....
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QUOTE(netboy @ Mar 18 2016, 12:36 AM)
I fail to understand why "Mr Lim" the non-owner is tanking the developer and doing all the exposé whereas very little owners have come forward with their own photos and complains.

Even in this thread I don't notice any actual owners are giving their side of story(ies). Majority comments are from outsiders which are non-owners.

As a non-owner, Mr Lim is even proceeding to attend to the LOD and seemed prepare to fight for the "truth". I may understand his stance and action if he's an actual owner and is suffering for potentially huge financial losses, but by just exposing the photos which went viral after 2 days, he could've just retracted it with apology and move on with his life without any harm to his pocket.

Yet, where are all the owners?

No matter which stance the owners take ie. 1. Pray developer complete it sooner rather than later or 2. Persuing the developer via legal channel, it's a lose-lose situation.

If they chose 1. and keep quiet, developer may be more daring and delay it even further, but there's a chance that it will eventually complete anyway. Owners suffer temporary losses of loan repayment while waiting for their units to be completed properly.

While if they proceed with option 2. by going through legal means, developer will too, counter with their papers that most - if not all - owners have signed without actually understanding it and are usually sided towards the vendor. Worst case scenario, developer found guilty and ruled to pay huge compensation, they may pack up, declare company bankruptcy and there goes the buildings in an abandoned state.

It's a huge dilemma for owners, I couldn't decide myself which route I will take if I'm one at the moment. I just don't understand why a non-owner is going public and yet still not backing down despite developer's LOD in which he will suffer potential financial losses for something that he's not even involved in. Getting the photos viral for a few days is really a good enough wake up call for owners, but why he is continuing to fight for a battle that is not even his?
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conspiracy theories:
- maybe that's the exact reason. he's not an owner therefore he can say whatever he want without implication to the actual owners.
- usually in such cases, lawyers would have advised client to hush hush. anything, talk in court. hence probably the low rate of actual owners complaining in public. so goes back to the privilege of not being an owner.
- also maybe using him as test case on various scenarios before actual court proceeding. who knows he could be undercover agent for other owners.
- maybe he is undercover agent for other firms trying to sabo ME. a competitor developer.
- maybe he could potentially gain more traffic to his actual biz and be prepared to take up the responsibilities for his actions?

idk. just saying yo!

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