Whatever, VP, CCC, even the photos legitimate or what not, it's the hotel floor or the residence floor, argument here of which sequence of which is correct And what it all means, or even if we have some lawyers, architect to-be etc....

First of all why no explanation from Developer, for those who started paying instalment but yet to have the keys ? Why bother to issue LAD to the Lim guy on some Facebook post instead of having explanation and testimonial from owners that they r happy with the unit, looking fwd to moving in etc , This alone, just shown the developer is in shithole.

If 10th floor and above, if the condition is like this photos in FB, worth to spend extra 100k to make it liveable. But bear in mind this is a condominium , if the main electrical distribution and all the major facilities like water, piping, sewage , Internet etc are not in proper stage yet, sell 100k also no one will buy (unless sold as whole block to another developer to continue the work)

It's like those houses that being sold by the council at Liverpool for £1, still no one would want to stay there as its a shithole.

That's exactly my point, which means the developer is guilty as hell. And if any buyer dream of not pissing them off will allowed them to finish these developments, they are stupid as hell too. But really pity their unfortunates. This would take decades to settle.

Yup. The price to pay now for "free SPA"
Speaking from experience, kena once to. But not big misfortune like this la... Total lost RM 200++, for the whole Block C, stupid developer just strike a windfall of atleast half a mil out of nothing

few more months?bank money already all in dev's pocket, probably already long gone. And looking at the ignorant level of the developers, expect years - that is if someone decided to "bail out" these buyers.

another Talam

taking these cheapskate "free SPA" will always lose out, depend more or less only, based on my twice experience bought properties in KL.
Because the lawyer "represent" both seller (developer) and buyers, conflict of interest. (this is NOT ALLOWED in UK, where I am living now, buyer, and seller must have TWO different Law firm to represent them). Cases in Msia, anything happen, lawyer will always side the Developer. from very small issue like retention sump, snagging, to big case like this Empire City.

So don't be cheap skate and appoint own lawyer for buying property, but the thing is, any SPA drafted by developer's lawyer, usually do not accept any negotiation of omit of any clause, it's a take it or leave it situation. That's why law-cautious people, will rather buy sub-sell.

Isn't that too later already?
You should have your lawyer, looking thru the SPA and highlight any dodgy clause to you, before you sign.

Whatever it is VC CCC CPC HDA SPA etc etc... There owners already started paying instalment for 6-9months+ for a place that they cannot enter, do not have keys, not even have doors, no lift, no facilities nothing. Kinda understand Mr Lim position here, he has nothing to lose, albeit, maybe, nothing to gain except promoting his electrical appliance shop a bit. For owners, most of them are hoping for the best, keep paying instalment instead of having a bad credit in the future, ruining owns lives, and finger-x the developer will eventually finish the units, rather not piss them off by going legal or dispute. That may explained why owners are keeping quiet.

But still, thanks to Mr Lim that open cans of worms and still keep going... i.e. Instead of clarify why owners have no keys but already paying instalment, they issued LAD for Mr Lim, instead of clarify the real unit is fit for VP and show the photos of the actual complete unit, while they just keep emphasise Mr Lim showed the "wrong floor" which is the hotel. And it's a condo, not landed, without facilities, proper common areas, accessibility, how to live in, or even start renovate with that kinda finishing?

This project also has a quite-affordable price range for its location, with mostly small units below 500sq ft. Attracted a lot of first time home buyers, mostly want to stay there and get out of being a high rental victim of Klang Valley, a few buy-to-let investor, few flippers, and even less or maybe none overseas speculators that bought like 10-20 units. It's looking really bad and negative for the owners. Feel very sorry for them.

For those of us here that is not owners, more or less we were also properties owners who may had same experiences, or a lot luckier than these EC owners. or future owners that concern the loopholes and traps that these developers can play, learn a thing or two and be cautious in the future when they are finally into the property ladder.

The thing is this Dev do HAD good reputation ... Until now I guess.

That teach everyone a lesson, no matter how good it look from the outside.. Maybe one day even developers like Sime Darby, IJM, Ecoworld also cannot be trusted ...

despite the explosion, which no one was injured and no casualties hence forgotten and forgiven, empire subang was a success. they also have a list of past projects which completed and sold out. and, before this chaos, even if googled hard, cannot find much complaints on them unlike developers like Mayland etc. All these not sure but pretty sure still, its the excellent PR and Marketing team's effort, plus that Party of Century ... everything that actually convinced that they are reputable, now seemed more like cover up

because they r top tier that's why they sell above market price people still buy, buy for thinking they are reliable, worth the paying more, and if also the buyers like new development instead of hunting down sub sales.

the irony everyone is expect the EC will be the same as the ES until all hell broke lose

he continued fight for legal because he got served, twice.

Whatever it is VC CCC CPC HDA SPA etc etc... There owners already started paying instalment for 6-9months+ for a place that they cannot enter, do not have keys, not even have doors, no lift, no facilities nothing. Kinda understand Mr Lim position here, he has nothing to lose, albeit, maybe, nothing to gain except promoting his electrical appliance shop a bit. For owners, most of them are hoping for the best, keep paying instalment instead of having a bad credit in the future, ruining owns lives, and finger-x the developer will eventually finish the units, rather not piss them off by going legal or dispute. That may explained why owners are keeping quiet.

But still, thanks to Mr Lim that open cans of worms and still keep going... i.e. Instead of clarify why owners have no keys but already paying instalment, they issued LAD for Mr Lim, instead of clarify the real unit is fit for VP and show the photos of the actual complete unit, while they just keep emphasise Mr Lim showed the "wrong floor" which is the hotel. And it's a condo, not landed, without facilities, proper common areas, accessibility, how to live in, or even start renovate with that kinda finishing? Regardless which floor.

This project also has a quite-affordable price range for its location, with mostly small units below 500sq ft. Attracted a lot of first time home buyers, mostly want to stay there and get out of being a high rental victim of Klang Valley, a few buy-to-let investor, few flippers, and even less or maybe none overseas speculators that bought like 10-20 units. It's looking really bad and negative for the owners. Feel very sorry for them.

For those of us here that are not owners, more or less we were also properties owners who may had same experiences, or a lot luckier than these EC owners. or future owners that concern the loopholes and traps that these developers can play, learn a thing or two and be cautious in the future when they are finally into the property ladder.

This post has been edited by debbierowe: Mar 18 2016, 06:29 PM

Wonder after this who would want to buy EC2 and the rest of the projects... But still, Malaysians mudah Lupa, if eventually they did plate everything and handover keys nicely and with that location, the property will appreciate more likely and also good rental , ppl will tend to rich for EC2 again...

Already got one spotted at iproperty at 320k , but who wants lol

Meaning her unit is in a liveable condition?

Got.

Still a fcking joke. Owners got VP, got keys, paying installment, paying maintenance. But need to make appointment in order to go into own place, and not allowed to vacant. that place still in a mess (although better than the first time pictures posted, but still not liveable).

Stay far far away from Mommoth Empire.

Flippers/investors of buy-to-let should be less worrying group, they are experienced and this should not be their first property, and they may have calculated their sustainability and holding power.

Those true victims maybe those yuppies first time home buyers, who seek to get out of the high rental market, they are now paying rent as well as the mortgage, while waiting for ccc. I really hope these group of buyers can pull through. For those locals who has an option to still staying with parents, luckier lo.

Good point.

LOL. Even if no Mr Lim incident, who wants to buy something that has no CCC , cannot move in, cannot start renting, and had to start paying installment...? And the CCC date is God-knows-when. Whatever it is Mr Lim or not, buyers are screwed, until they eventually get their CCC

we call that "Ghost gazumping"

Some reads on ghost gazumping http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28463521

Happens everywhere with different loopholes to apply by developers/sellers

Wah fonts size up and caps wor.
FACTS?

Even if no Mr Lim incident, owners has no CCC , cannot move in, cannot start renting, and had to start paying installment.And the CCC date is God-knows-when. Whatever it is Mr Lim or not, buyers are screwed, until they eventually get their CCC

Owners do want to hear something good. Do u have something good to deliver? Do MEH?