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post Jul 22 2011, 03:24 AM

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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Jul 22 2011, 02:37 AM)
more than quad core, can use for folding@home as well. brows.gif
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yaa,i forget to put "etc". Folding@home is very thumbup.gif icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(chetyin @ Jul 22 2011, 02:42 AM)
Ppl still buy it for future proof.
If the price is cheap, wont hurt to have a few extra core. biggrin.gif
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If cheap,then there is no block. Btw,AMD always cheaper then *****.. laugh.gif
So,i think all ppl can afford it. brows.gif


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post Jul 22 2011, 03:51 AM

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QUOTE(chetyin @ Jul 21 2011, 11:28 PM)
huh...
a Few z68 is going to implement pci-e 3.0...
even Asrock were making such board.
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thus i dun think there would be a problem to implement it onto the board.
not sure about LGA2011 though but the LGA2011 board is really complicated quad channel RAM really challenge the design of the board.
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Those boards are still a prototype when it debuted during the live event so it could just be a physical mock up of the board but not a working prototype. For a Z68 board to have PCI-E 3.0 makes not much sense since there are only 16 lanes coming from the CPU and split in configuration of x16 and x8x8.

Actually I think Intel does not have much of problem implementing it is just that if they are not 100% sure that it will definitely work then there is no point releasing it since it could be hardware dependent and firmware updates will not fix the problem in the future. It is all rumor and speculation at this moment and nobody is 100% sure what is going on behind closed doors.

I am guessing that Intel is playing it safe since the Cougar Point chipset bug and they wouldn't mind delaying a few months to make sure that their products work. Quad channel memory I think exists on server boards for quite some time already and it is now moving downwards to the consumer level products.

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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Jul 22 2011, 04:51 AM)
Those boards are still a prototype when it debuted during the live event so it could just be a physical mock up of the board but not a working prototype. For a Z68 board to have PCI-E 3.0 makes not much sense since there are only 16 lanes coming from the CPU and split in configuration of x16 and x8x8.

Actually I think Intel does not have much of problem implementing it is just that if they are not 100% sure that it will definitely work then there is no point releasing it since it could be hardware dependent and firmware updates will not fix the problem in the future. It is all rumor and speculation at this moment and nobody is 100% sure what is going on behind closed doors.

I am guessing that Intel is playing it safe since the Cougar Point chipset bug and they wouldn't mind delaying a few months to make sure that their products work. Quad channel memory I think exists on server boards for quite some time already and it is now moving downwards to the consumer level products.

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Thx for the clarification.
quad channel are going to put a lot of challenges to those designer to put their heatsink where they use too. biggrin.gif
bulldozer, SB-E and IB what a interesting year a head. laugh.gif

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post Jul 22 2011, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Jul 22 2011, 02:37 AM)
8 core is good for folding, especially with -bigadv. brows.gif

more than quad core, can use for folding@home as well. brows.gif
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lol.... folding again sweat.gif

well, currently i'm looking at asus's m5a series mobo. still waiting for more models to come
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post Jul 23 2011, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(chetyin @ Jul 22 2011, 02:42 AM)
saturn85, you too addicted to folding... tongue.gif
try SB-E 6core-12threads... drool.gif
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haha, yes, i m addicted. rolleyes.gif
QUOTE(amirudin920927 @ Jul 22 2011, 03:24 AM)
yaa,i forget to put "etc". Folding@home is very  thumbup.gif  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(yshiuan @ Jul 22 2011, 11:41 AM)
lol.... folding again sweat.gif
well, currently i'm looking at asus's m5a series mobo. still waiting for more models to come
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haha, currently folding@malaysia team is getting less and less active folder.
and other teams are going to overtake our team soon. sad.gif
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post Jul 25 2011, 03:06 AM

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AMD Bulldozer 8-Core Processor September Launch
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According to them, AMD will start Mass Production of B2 chips in August and the processors will officially launch in September (Q3 2011).
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The first Q3 2011 lineup which will be released in September would consist of Four processor models, The FX-4100, FX-6100, FX-8100 and FX-8150.
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The FX-8150 will be the flagship Bulldozer CPU featuring eight cores, Clock speed of 3.6Ghz (Turbo – 4.2Ghz), 8MB L3 Cache, 1866mhz+ DDR3 Support and a Max TDP of 125W. This would be replaced with a second lineup which AMD Plans to release in Q1 2012. Following are the 8 Core processors to be included in the latter lineup:

    AMD FX-8120
    AMD FX-8170


UPDATE : Details of FX-4100 & FX-6100 series
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post Jul 25 2011, 10:03 PM

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Highlights :
10 cores flagship? hmm.gif (Rendering machine?)
Piledriver Architecture(Improved Bulldozer, most likely)
TurboCore 3.0 (Ultra dynamic clock speed? drool.gif )
FM2 (Hope it can support FM1 processors)
Hudson D4 FCH Southbridge (4xUSB3.0 + 8xSATA3.0)
Trinity APU. (Piledriver architecture)
Wichita APU (Quad Core low power APU brows.gif)

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post Jul 25 2011, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jul 25 2011, 10:03 PM)
user posted image
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Highlights :
10 cores flagship?  hmm.gif  (Rendering machine?)
Piledriver Architecture(Improved Bulldozer, most likely)
TurboCore 3.0 (Ultra dynamic clock speed?  drool.gif )
FM2 (Hope it can support FM1 processors)
Hudson D4 FCH Southbridge (4xUSB3.0 + 8xSATA3.0)
Trinity APU. (Piledriver architecture)
Wichita APU (Quad Core low power APU brows.gif)
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10 cores... that crazy mang..
awaiting intel to counter it..
8core/16thread... hmm.gif
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post Jul 25 2011, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 25 2011, 11:10 PM)
10 cores... that crazy mang..
awaiting intel to counter it..
8core/16thread... hmm.gif
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Software developer gonna hate this rapid core increase pace hehe, just getting the multi-treading support alone is already tricky, now they have deal with 10 cores.

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post Jul 26 2011, 12:37 AM

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its may be fake
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look at the red circle. bad photoshop?
lets compare to an official roadmap from amd
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i dont buy this, amd is risking their business if this news is true. people wont buy llano and bulldozer because future socket wont support them. just my opinion
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post Jul 26 2011, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Jul 25 2011, 11:52 PM)
Software developer gonna hate this rapid core increase pace hehe, just getting the multi-treading support alone is already tricky, now they have deal with 10 cores.
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As long as software developers are paid I'm sure they would have to develop it as there are markets for this kind of stuff. Intel is also developing their MIC to counter GPU parallel compute offered by AMD and Nvidia. Not much practical use for the normal user but for HPC, it can make quite a difference in terms of processing throughput. The only problem now is that many claimed that Intel MIC might not be suitable.
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QUOTE(FullMetalBoy @ Jul 26 2011, 12:37 AM)
its may be fake
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look at the red circle. bad photoshop?
lets compare to an official roadmap from amd
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i dont buy this, amd is risking their business if this news is true. people wont buy llano and bulldozer because future socket wont support them. just my opinion
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This is not true.
Intel has been consistently changing the socket.
Look at the market share of Intel, it gives you an honest answer, it is not an issue.

Let the performance of the product speak for itself.


Added on July 26, 2011, 8:52 am
QUOTE(billytong @ Jul 25 2011, 11:52 PM)
Software developer gonna hate this rapid core increase pace hehe, just getting the multi-treading support alone is already tricky, now they have deal with 10 cores.
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Sometimes it is not just about the number of cores or MHz/GHz.

What's the point of delivering a quad core product while it's slower than the dual-core processor of competitors?
What's the point of delivering a 5GHz processor while the competitor's 1.8GHz is faster in performance?

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post Jul 26 2011, 09:10 AM

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so many changes or differents doh.gif
previously leaked Trinity will feature Bulldozer cores but now this Zol.com.cn version show is not feature Bulldozer cores. can't believe that AMD really plan jump from FM1 to FM2 so fast? Anyway, 2012 is still far away, and many things can change. Lynx CPU performance already no go as not much improvement. Hopefully by next year, AMD really bring more improved Trinity, and if featuring Bulldozer cores will be great.
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post Jul 26 2011, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 26 2011, 08:48 AM)
What's the point of delivering a quad core product while it's slower than the dual-core processor of competitors?
What's the point of delivering a 5GHz processor while the competitor's 1.8GHz is faster in performance?
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Well not sure if u are aware or not, our single threaded or each core performance hasnt been improving much since the introduction of dual core CPU.

Just for that alone i will probably much prefer Intel since their their performance for each core is faster.
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post Jul 26 2011, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Jul 25 2011, 11:52 PM)
Software developer gonna hate this rapid core increase pace hehe, just getting the multi-treading support alone is already tricky, now they have deal with 10 cores.
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Tricky? even Audio player like foobar2000 and iTunes are support multithreaded processing, eg audio transcoding,
Web browser like Chrome also support multithread, where got tricky?

Btw 10 cores stuff is not a new thing iirc, arent our beloved nvidia and AMD graphic card multicore by default?
but x86 CPU is quite complex is prolly why our cpu still have less cores than GPU.

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post Jul 26 2011, 10:53 PM

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Seems like they annouced the launch date of FX series processors..

http://www.techpowerup.com/149632/19-Septe...Processors.html

i dont get it,
are they meaning that FX-8150 wont be lauched and displaced by FX-8170? and so like the FX-8100, FX-6120 and FX-4120 will be replaced by they respected replacer?


Added on July 26, 2011, 10:55 pmahhh,
nevermind, i get it... the text has stated 'in the first quarter of 2012'
my bad... sweat.gif sweat.gif

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post Jul 27 2011, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 26 2011, 07:01 PM)
Tricky? even Audio player like foobar2000 and iTunes are support multithreaded processing, eg audio transcoding,
Web browser like Chrome also support multithread, where got tricky?

Btw 10 cores stuff is not a new thing iirc, arent our beloved nvidia and AMD graphic card multicore by default?
but x86 CPU is quite complex is prolly why our cpu still have less cores than GPU.
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Perhaps I suggest u should take a read on the scheduling thing on x86 multi-core b4 u ask silly question like this. Multi core on x86 vs GPU is quite different. You can take a new generation GPU with thousands of cores/stream processor and run on an old game on all cores without a patch, but u wont get an old single threaded software use all ur new 6core/12thread CPU.

The reason why CPU manufacturer going multicore is because they are hitting the wall on GHz race. Software company have to rewrite codes differently for every new "more cores" CPU comes out. While they do not like todo this, but it is inevitable.

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post Jul 27 2011, 02:47 PM

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AMD Expects Next-Gen Chip to Cut Power Consumption by Half.
AMD's Trinity Set to Consume 17.5W - Company

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display...on_by_Half.html
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post Jul 27 2011, 02:56 PM

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AMD FX-8150P = USD269
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The FX-8150P on launch would cost 269US$ which is 58$ higher then Intel’s i5 2500K CPU while being 50$ cheaper than the Sandy Bridge 2nd Generation flagship i7 2600K CPU. The FX-8150P will come with 8 Cores/8 Threads.
USD269 = RM795
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jul 27 2011, 02:47 PM)
AMD Expects Next-Gen Chip to Cut Power Consumption by Half.
AMD's Trinity Set to Consume 17.5W - Company

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display...on_by_Half.html
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thats like telling me I will butthurt now if I buy E350. sweat.gif

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