will the bulldozer core 50% faster in single core performance than phenom-II counterpart? just hope so since they can compress athlon-II core in llano pretty small, cant wait to compare 4,6 core bulldozer with intel mid-range sandy bridge proc

This post has been edited by zerorating: Mar 14 2011, 01:25 PM

Hopefully there will be a Bulldozer part targeted at the sub-RM500 market. Along with an AM3+ motherboard also in the sub-RM500 market.

i hope AMD will not become AMDelay.

I don't think there would be anymore delays..too much info that suggest that it is coming already
Slight delay is better than having to spend 1 billion to recall bugged chipsets..1 billion is pocket change for Intel but a 1 billion blunder can destroy AMD

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/list.aspx...&jid=10&p=2&v=2
Time to drool..AM3+ boards are here

This post has been edited by dma0991: Mar 14 2011, 09:04 PM

Good news [sort of]
http://www.techpowerup.com/142251/AMD-FX-Z...IOS-Update.html

Looks like Bulldozer is schedule to run through 2013 lifeline

All indicators from AMD says Bulldozer is only compatible with socket AM3+ motherboards. Socket AM3+ also has an extra pin on the CPU and thus will not fit.

Stop with the Bulldozer updates!Why not have some Llano updates?

Initial Desktop AMD "Llano" Lineup Will Include Five APUs



http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/2..._Documents.html

I agree with this..pretty hard for Bulldozer to keep up with what Intel has to offer in the desktop space because of Intel's tick tock principle..
However Llano is very promising..Llano is taking advantage of ATI's GPU R&D..5 years of work are coming together now

http://www.hardwarezone.com/tech-news/view/156140
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardwa...RSSfeed_IWK_All
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2...-microprocessor
http://www.eeherald.com/section/news/nws20110313b9.html
http://www.crn.com/news/components-periphe...SUSw**.ecappj03
http://www.crn.com/news/components-periphe...off-in-2011.htm
http://www.product-reviews.net/2011/03/16/...ideal-solution/
http://socialbarrel.com/amd-chips-boost-ie...rformance/4976/

Because we lowyat kakis mostly like uber rigs with performance discrete cards

Llano's main sell, IMO will be the budget PC rigs and OEM desktop/laptop builds.

I think I'll pass. I'll rather wait for Intel Ivy Bridge.
BTW I really wanted to see AMD Bulldozer fares against Intel Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge.

Lock the thread in Hardware Q&A and discuss here instead..
I recommend that you get what you want to get now instead of waiting for Ivy Bridge..Ivy Bridge is much better as an upgrade path
In 2012 Ivy Bridge will come out then following the tick tock principle in 2013 Haswell will come out and most probably the end for LGA1155..
So better to buy Sandy Bridge now and enjoy the performance..if you're feeling itchy then only upgrade to Ivy Bridge

No news on the Socket FM1..since it has an IGP I think it requires its own socket like LGA1156/1155 compared to LGA1366/2011
But hopefully AMD does not make it a BGA type like the AMD Zacate and permanently mounted to the motherboard..
The upgrade potential of that is zero and so is the value of the processor..BGA may work for laptops but they shouldn't make it for desktop Llano

But I wonder why is there Llano for desktop anyways..I've always have the impression that Llano should be strictly be in the mobile space
There is a lot of hype of GEMs or graphic enabled microprocessors for laptops which I think Llano will shine the best at..
From what I can guess the Llano APU can save more power compared to a conventional setup and may reduce the cost of making laptops..
Not to mention hybrid Crossfire can also work if there is Llano APU + Radeon mobile GPU..
Makes more sense also because I don't see people changing CPUs or GPUs in their mainstream laptops at all..so Llano should be good for the mobile market

What socket are Llano using? I'm under the impression that it is some FM1 socket and thus not compatible with AM3 nor AM3+.

There is also the clockspeed to consider. It would have been nice if the Llano and Bulldozer processors use the same socket. Then I might seriously consider getting a Llano processor.

I'd like to see a GPU review comparing the HD 5670 against all the well known cards from two or more generations back, starting with the HD 3870. Might be a fun read.

I think it will be FM1 Socket and hopefully backwards compatible with newer processor next year..

Llano 400SP Graphic card performance maybe around HD3870. or maybe better since HD3870 is 320 SP..but no one knows.

But if it is better than HD 3870,it is quite decent already

More comparable to 5570, since it has similar shaders to the Redwood core due to DX11 support, 400 shaders at slower speeds and a shared memory bus means performance is more akin to 5570 than the 5670.

I cannot be same socket.Bulldozer is CPU while Llano is APU.If you want same socket i think next year because Bulldozer will be APU that time.
But it is all unconfirmed yet so we have to wait


Why not it is good for Desktop?
Just as how Zacate exist as HTPC why not Llano?
Llano can be cheaper options to others who does not have enough budget.

It will be available on Laptop and Notebook for sure.It will be on Desktop because it is going to replace Athlon II processor and those integrated GPU motherboard in the future.
While Bulldozer will replace the current Phenom II,the Llano will replace the current Athlon II.

Not saying that it couldn't be as a replacement for the Athlon II..I would say it is like a direct competition to the H67 Intel SB
Llano will be in the cheaper range and provides IGP..and most probably offer overclocking potential at the same time
Pretty sure there are many who wants a computer not for gaming only..maybe a media PC and that is where Llano comes in
But finally AMD is doing something right by working with software developers to make the best of their hardware..example IE9,Firefox and Chrome
As of now there is not much info about Socket FM1 but I do hope it is a conventional socket like the LGA or PGA where the user can upgrade the processor easily

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/
Does this means these mobo's are bulldozer ready???

This post has been edited by zepth_artheroz: Mar 20 2011, 09:24 AM

From what I can gather the Socket FM1 should be for notebooks..so in fact Llano is going to aim the mobile market first
I think after it is successful in the mobile market it will move on to desktop when it integrates Bulldozer modules into Llano..
The Socket FM1 is a micro PGA so my guess the whole range of Llano will be in PGA instead of BGA..luckily it is in PGA form that means it is upgradable



The motherboard manufacturers claim that their AM3 boards can support Bulldozer processors with a BIOS update..
AMD has not confirmed this yet but I think you can use a Bulldozer processor on an AM3 socket motherboard..
The motherboard might be ready but not for sale yet..