battlecruiser is super pricey and it takes a lot of time to make one. It is not as easy as it said " Mass battlecruiser and gg zerg " HT + Overload airdrop banelings works well againts MMM..

Stop whining which race is imba and think of how to counter back is much more better.

Alright, lets go with Protoss:

Warp Ray that can OMGWTF pawn everything in seconds.
Chargelot that can charge towards your unit.
Perma invisible DT and Observer.
Colossus that pawn everything on ground.
Warp Gate allowing you to warp in from anywhere.

Lets nerf all of them.

Thank gawd Blizzard didnt you lot doing their balancing.

Pointless thread.

The point of this thread is to say TERRAN'S OP.

This thread is pointless , those that have been winning using terran will obviously say there's nothing wrong with Terran.

If there are more than 1 or 2 BC and there is no counter, something is wrong with you, not overall Terran balance.

I think it's more like Zerg isnt very well designed in the first place.

Im still not a fan of Hydra can only build after Lair.

You pwned by terran a lot isn't ?

it's void ray cheese...not warp ray...=p

anyway, a charged vr is really powerful...no doubts

also, i did also kinda wanna see how people react to such topics...asians and (majority?) westerners...as i made the same exact post in gfaqs sc2 board...

and amazingly...i found that gamefaqs people are pretty open more to discussion topics than simply ranting about such a topic was created

more elites here than over there i guess?XD

This post has been edited by LostWanderer: Aug 25 2010, 03:04 PM

not nearly as OP as Terran

Yah I admit I purposely used Zerg for the past week all the time to see whether there is anyway to counter the MMM rush/ Reaper.

Protoss player here.

A lot of units are "overpower" but when it comes down to economy you cant fight terran, cuz they dont need as much to pump their CHEAP UNITS.

Dont need to talk about late game or tier 2.

Lets talk 3 rax MM. vs 3 gate Zealot/Sentry/Stalker

25 SCV vs 25 Probe = equal (cost wise)
3-4 supply/pylon=equal
3 rax vs 3 gate = equal
2 tech lab 1 reactor (150 min 100 gas) vs Core = Toss leading 100 gas
Concussive Shell 60 seconds vs Warpgate 140 secs (close to 70 if spend 4 chrono boost) = almost equal

Army (this is where it goes IMBA)
3 marauder 2 marine (400 min 75 gas) vs 2 zealot 1 stalker 1 sentry (375 mineral 150 gas) = equal considering toss was leading 100 gas.

then ask yourself this 3 marauder 2 marine vs 2 zealot 1 stalker 1 sentry OR any combination you want with similar cost.

Can the toss win? with the concussive shells? NO NO NO!

that's not even considering the fact that if terran all in marauder which means lesser scv MORE units.

Is there a way to beat this? NO.

its basic math. 100 min 25 gas unit >>>>>> 125 min 50 gas units or 200 mineral (2 zealot) or 150 mineral (1 zealot 1 sentry)

You statements are amazing.

Oh,try Team Liquid too.

Terran isnt that bad too.

you cant do the maths like that...

1)Protoss have Chrono Boast so they must have more probes than the terran
2) Toss need only 1 probe to build stuff without wasting mineral digging time = 1 probe build while the other 2 dig mineral.
3) Terran need to sacrifice 3 SCVs mineral digging time because of building barracks.
4) Techlab + Shell = around 140 seconds
5) Reactor need to be built as well
6) Since protoss have more money, people usually go for 1 zealot 2 stalker 1 sentry.
7) 2 stalker + 1 sentry = 1 hit ko for marines.

no. it served its purpose. i get to see that terran is op rap outta it.

Funniest balance thread ever, and I thought people in TL were blabbering idiots.
I don't know in which universe dropping MULEs in high yield give insane incomes, MMM becoming imba, BCs OP, Cloak banshees are too early tech (I LOL'ed hard for this); and how counters like proper scouting, low HP and tech requirements can be excuses for other races but not for Terran units.
But the best is

Is it just me? Or doesn't this statement obviously go two ways?

BCs are really really slow...
if u watched some videos of pro zerg players, they punish terrans going BCs with infestors to mindcontrol them shooting other BCs...
then move in with hydras...

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Added on August 25, 2010, 3:56 pmsurprisingly idra went pure mutas vs tarson in iem semis and did pretty well...
as i said, better for zerg to go with the dimaga build against terran

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Added on August 25, 2010, 4:00 pmthe problems with mules as stated by even the progamers is that the 0 cooldown for them...
in other words u can just spam mule when u have high energy especially at ur new expansion vs the periodic need to spawn larvae (zerg) and chrono (toss) as those does not stack...
jz put a 2 sec CD on mules would solve mules...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 25 2010, 04:01 PM

Depends on whether it's really imba or not.

er, for

Reaper rush
plant a sunker in ur base can counter it.

bro, u forgot to calculate the costs and time needed for protoss units compared to terrans..

that's why in the end terran still own... especially if it starts from early game up till the end

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Added on August 25, 2010, 6:00 pmexactly, well said

This post has been edited by Davidtcf: Aug 25 2010, 06:00 PM

wow i not even talking about mule and chrono boost.
and i'm talking about marauder not marine...
2talker 1 sentry 1 hit ko marine? wow of course la but marauder?
1 zealot 2 stalker 1 sentry? wow you try vs 3 marauder and see with concussive shell you dead.