here are my thoughts. fair result considering the full 90mins, apart from the 2 goals n johnson's shot wide, we created nothing, not even a half chance. credit to the lads to pull 2 goals back, and as again is gerrard, it would be a crime for him not to ever lift the bpl trophy.. there is only a major question in my mind, n that is what is bloody wrong with our defence these days ? under rafa we were hard to break down, most of the times we look solid at the back. i dont see many changes except for konchesky coming in at lb.. we have pretty much the same back 4 who has played together for more than a season together. i also wonder what has changed reina, in the sense that i dont see him coming out punching the ball / dealing with crosses much anymore.

taking into account from both games against birmingham n manu, i can see we look really shaky defending crosses.. at times we are so easily opened up and another talking point would be we play so narrow at times i feel like we are playing the diamond formation. cole n maxi arent exactly wingers n again m disappointed with torres esp in the first half though credit to him for being heavily involved in our 2 goals. the only player that played well imo was meireles n he was rightly sub-ed out, can c him really tired.

of the 3 goals, we could've defended better on the 1st n 3rd, but then again, it was manu's defensive errors too that brought us back to the game rather than brilliance on our player's part. we can always argue that o'shea should hv been sent off being the last man, at least i tot so too when i saw the challenge. i m questioning the fa's decision to let webb officiate the match, considering this is his first competitive match since the wc final if i'm not mistaken, i tot he made a number of errors n couldnt control the match as a referee.

another thing to add, nani is slowly becoming the next hated player in my books, dont get me wrong, he is someone i wish to see in our side, being a winger who has trickery n pace n every bit of a natural winger.. but after tonight's game where he is trying to make a meal of every challenge, its just so wtf !!!! f-ing pissed to the way he goes to ground with really minimal contact. oh dear, what has happen-ed to the beautiful game

Agree wif u...liverpool is an inferior side this game, rarely manage a shot towards goal. they onli count on refree decision to produce goals.. cant see any future in this kind of yo-yo football..i can see torres trying hard to chase every ball that was badly passed to him.. and liverpool midfield lack creativity, keep on backpassing to goalkeepr and there goes a kick from reina towards nowhere. sick.

konchesky is nothing to shout about..........plus terrible defending by carra and skrtel....

maybe carra need rest........

terribly sad that we've beaten...from performance during birmigham until today's game.......i dont see we can get the top four....but its still early to throw the towel...but not much improvement as no creativity player......

YNWA !!! black monday :-)

Again it is not the result the matter, it is the performance concern the most!

So far, the performance is as good as relegation fighting team.
As soon as I watch for 30 min, I just wish the match ended now, with 0-0.

Reviewing the 1st goal
I was shock to see Torres marked Berbatov (opponent player that you know is threat to the goal) when corner kick time????
Torres is not known for its aerial ability and defending!

Although I think we should be optimistic of our chances as we are after all Liverpool FC with some quality players, realistically anything better than last season's 7th will be a great achievement for us, so expect us to suffer more painful and unexpected defeats this season.

nice try Liverpool. Should've been a draw. Webb made a huge mistake for not sending oshea off. clearly the last man holding Torres back.

This post has been edited by jiidaineko: Sep 19 2010, 11:54 PM

onli hope that liverpool will pull a shock by getting europa league title this year.. the players need morale boost.

I thought our fullbacks were really poor.

Crosses were homing in from left and right, and our CBs were not doing a good job dealing with em. Apart from that, most of their deliveries were quite dangerous, and rarely get disconnected with the forwards.

All in all, we were sorely lacking and width in quality. Torres again, looks frustrated, apart from winning the pen and free kick, he was virtually anonymous throughout the game.

You gotta give it to Berbaflop. This could be probably his best season and (game) so far...and it's all about patience somtimes.

Dunno when will we get the two cancerous leeches off our club. Really sick of the current situation. No money, no quality and confidence running low. When will we ever get to see the silver lining again from the dark clouds?

BTW, Chelsea is raping Blackpool as we speak.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Sep 19 2010, 11:57 PM

well imo u r wrong, torres is one of our better players who heads well, besides the likes of skrtel krygy and kuyt. u c, torres is an aggresive player, and with full match fitness n better body language, m sure he can out-muscle berba, m just disappointed with how he defended, as a striker, he knows that u have to be infront of your marker to win a header, hence vice versa when defending, i just didnt know what was he thinking there, being behind berba n backing away instead of going for the ball n win it. something is wrong in his mind, i guess he miss rafa

Tactically we lost to ManU, we can see they are attack on flank and yet we don't have players to keep them busy. Seem every time Manu has amble of spare and time during attack from flank. I believe we still can play good football, RH should have more confident on the team and dare to make changes. Even he opt for safe game, we still can't acheive anything, Why not just throw a tactic asuming he has the best players in the world. Play a match wining game instead of opt for draw.
Nani is slowly become the dark side.

nani wants to be the next cr7

last season carragher also the last man to hold owen yet not sending off

To be fair,
Liv has been getting away from several potential penalty in the past few games even this game, especially our defenders nowadays like to holds on opponent shirt during set-piece and corner kick time.

Even it ended up a draw, there still lot of worry on the performance side.

Perhaps a good response?
At least give some credits?

The foul that leads to the penalty, what else can you say?
J.Evans had no contact with the ball, brought down Torres, a clear penalty there..

Next, nice through ball from R.Meireles that is able to set Torres a 1 on 1 situation with the keeper before J.O.Shea brought him down..
In fact, it should be a red card for O Shea as he was the last defender..

Anyway, for me, Joe Cole the man of the match

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Added on September 20, 2010, 12:55 amAnd, dont forget, it is Old Trafford...
Not many teams can perform good football at Old Trafford stadium...

Lets see our next match against Sunderland at Anfield 25/9/10 22:00....

This post has been edited by jason18689: Sep 20 2010, 12:55 AM

LFC currently placed at 16th, 1 point clear the relegated zone... roy need to lay more attacking / fast game tactic. LFC is not FULHAM.

Yes losing at Old Trafford isn't far from losing at Stamford Bridge, they are both one of the toughest place to go in the whole of football world.

Let's asses our opponents instead. We lost because of the brilliance and form of Berbatov...if the out of form Rooney were to get all 3 of his chances, the max he can convert is only 2 of them. Berbatov's stunning overhead kick is probably one of the best goals this season. Vidic was very good in all aerial challenges and he had a very good game.

Carra just had a bad game after he saved our skins lots of time, so be easy on him yea? Konchesky and Meireles looked a lil bit tired in the end , thats why RH have to sub them out. Cole's touches too look out of sorts in the final 20 mins or so.

Yes our performance is weak, but we have quite a number of positives to take from this one. Torres's run is menacing and our new signings did pretty well against a top team today, neat in keeping the ball.

In short, we were slaughtered by the fantastic Berbatov today. Tonight sure is his night, all his touches and shots were good and accurate. The other teams will be watching him from today on...

This post has been edited by kazuki85: Sep 20 2010, 01:06 AM

my take on our away game at old trafford.

1. no confidence/creativity in attacking
2. no fluidity in passing
3. no accuracy in short/long passes
4. poor ball control
5. poor arial defending

it was like watching MALAYSIAN league team.. sigh..

i've been reading some of the comments about poulsen.. and i must disagree. he looks as though he was strolling by the beach.. jogging here and there without really engaging the opponents.. not pressuring them enough..

but.. on the plus side.. meireles looked okay in midfield.. hopefully he can dictate the game from midfield soon.. same goes to j.cole..

i can't say anything positive other than that from that game.. we can only HOPE (as we normally do as a liv fan) for the best for our future matches..

just to share my thoughts.. i'm now incline to agree with my friend's (also a kop) quote about liverpool.. "new faces.. same shit.."

- YNWA

The way I saw it, the free kick was a well trained set piece. You can see that one of our player pushed the wall and the ManU player responded by pushing him back which created a hole in the wall. And for Gerrard to shoot exactly at that small gap is just brilliant.

good atmosphere there at Somos , thanks the organiser and thanks for everyone that so friendly there ,thanks for the songs that lift up my mood ,thanks for everything and thanks for the super nice CD (I showed it to my MU fans and tell them how many songs we have)

and thanks for the person that

no matter we lost or win , you will never walk alone !

I feel proud to support this club

wow, after reading through so many pages, not even a single one of you mentioned NGOG??
Have you guys noticed it was after Ngog came in, then we had the 2 goals?

Before Ngog, Torres had nowhere to run, being heavily marked by defenders, he could do minimal damage. I barely saw a great run from him before Ngog.

After Ngog, Torres was freed up a bit and resulting in better runs and eventually got us the penalty and free kick. Also, I could see Ngog almost everywhere around the pitch. He even ran all the way back to our D box to snatch the ball off scholes' feet!

This kid is maturing and will be a key player soon. I rated him and Babel very high, however Babel is still finding it difficult to shine. Ngog is showing a glimpse of his potential. Although he didn't score, he made a big impact in the game!

Other than that, I think you guys should go easy on the team.

Although the team lost, I'm still happy in supporting Liverpool FC. When I heard "You'll Never Walk Alone" when we're down 2-0, it again reassures me that we are supporting the best club in the world. No matter the team are ahead or trailing, we're still backing them up.

YNWA~