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 PROTON SAGA BLMCLUB V11, version eleven

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post Sep 10 2010, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Sep 9 2010, 04:38 PM)
ABS only activate IF the system detect the wheel slipping
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it wont activate even if u brake suddenly because the system detect that the wheel is still spinning, NOT slipping...
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nope... even if u pump the brakes on the ABS car, the ABS still works
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u cannot pump faster then ABS...

i pump my car which is equipped with ABS and the ABS still works
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Wheel slipping I assume means locking of wheels? Well, this mostly happens when you brake quickly, mar. tongue.gif

When you pump your brakes, you're actually reducing the ABS' efficiency.

QUOTE(SiuYi @ Sep 9 2010, 09:05 PM)
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i dun think so as he is an offroad driver.he knows how to drive and has his company professional license. he mentioned it is very dangerous if u duno how to drive an ABS ride as the brake lock system needs technique. a panic brake wont stop ur ride, but it will act like there's no brake at all.
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ABS is meant to stop wheel lock, not stop sliding. It just so happens stopping wheel lock reduces sliding in most road situations. That's all.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/Equipment/absbrakes.html

QUOTE(That nhtsa article)
Do cars with ABS stop more quickly than cars without? ABS is designed to help the driver maintain control of the vehicle during emergency braking situations, not make the car stop more quickly. ABS may shorten stopping distances on wet or slippery roads and many systems will shorten stopping distances on dry roads. On very soft surfaces, such as loose gravel or unpacked snow, an ABS system may actually lengthen stopping distances. In wet or slippery conditions, you should still make sure you drive carefully, always keep a safe distance behind the vehicle in front of you, and maintain a speed consistent with the road conditions.


I'm sure your friend has a good reason for telling you this. Maybe it's due to him being offroad all the time. The quote above explains that ABS actually increases stopping distance in offroad situations.

http://www.intellichoice.com/carBuying101/AntiLockBrakes

QUOTE(intellichoice article)
Do know the difference between between four-wheel and two- or rear-wheel ABS. Most cars and many trucks have four-wheel ABS. But some light trucks have only rear-wheel ABS; with rear-wheel ABS, the front wheels can still lock up during hard braking. If this happens, you should ease up on the brake pedal with just enough pressure to allow the front wheels to roll again so you can steer.


Or maybe your friend drives light trucks with only rear wheel ABS?

http://brainz.org/how-do-i-best-use-my-cars-abs/

QUOTE(brainz article)
To properly apply the brakes in an ABS equipped car during a panic stop, simply step on the brake pedal with as much force as you can. You will feel the ABS pulse back through the brake pedal, but this is a normal part of their operation. Likewise, you may hear noises not familiar to you in normal vehicle operation. Continue to brake with maximum pressure as you steer to avoid whatever is in your path. Never pump the brake pedal on an ABS equipped vehicle, as you will defeat the ABS function and lose vacuum assist to the brakes, which will reduce your cars braking ability.


http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.asp...cumentid=435969

QUOTE(That MSN editorial)
How to Use ABS
"Stomp and steer," Hurd said. Don't treat ABS gingerly as you would ordinary brakes. Instead of pumping, press hard on the pedal without letting up. Any pulsing you feel or noise you hear is the ABS doing its job.
All four articles above mention about how u need to press your brakes fully. Not be gentle with it.

Me and my friends have tested on a few cars previously, where we drive on an empty road at night up to 100 km/h and we slam the brakes as hard as we can. We definitely felt the ABS kick in.

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QUOTE(klk89 @ Sep 9 2010, 09:15 PM)
Wanna ask a question, if my car's left front wheel hits the ditch for a few meters, after repaired my car the whole cabin vibration is so loud when I put it to D or R. When the air-con compressor kicks in, the whole dashboard and steering wheel is like going to fall off. Does it mean that something is loose or this might be the aftermath after having an accident?
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It sounds like your transmission mounting or engine mounting koyak edi. Better do what coolkwc said. Send it to the workshop to get it fixed.

This post has been edited by +Newbie+: Sep 10 2010, 03:24 PM
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post Sep 10 2010, 04:40 PM

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How on earth can I replace my wiper blades?
The darn thing cant be removed.
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post Sep 10 2010, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Sep 10 2010, 04:40 PM)
How on earth can I replace my wiper blades?
The darn thing cant be removed.
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very easy one la, when first time i changed my wiper blades back when i owned a myvi also very hard, after u learn the technique very easy..u basically slip it to the right or left (or was it upwards), anyway its not difficult. I've also changed my saga one to silicon wipers, easy task smile.gif
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post Sep 10 2010, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Sep 10 2010, 05:45 PM)
very easy one la, when first time i changed my wiper blades back when i owned a myvi also very hard, after u learn the technique very easy..u basically slip it to the right or left (or was it upwards), anyway its not difficult. I've also changed my saga one to silicon wipers, easy task smile.gif
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talking about wipers, silicon 1s are recommended? what are the price like? My bloody wiper is doh.gif
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post Sep 10 2010, 06:04 PM

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well to me silicone ones are clearer when it wipes the windscreen, costs about 50-70 RM per side if i recall correctly, mine is dura-edge brand, 2 years warranty if i recall correctly, bought at eneos one utama.
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post Sep 10 2010, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Sep 9 2010, 09:05 PM)
a panic brake wont stop ur ride, but it will act like there's no brake at all.
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This is true for all vehicles without ABS. A panic brake will cause your brake pads to clamp onto the discs, thus causing the wheels to lock and not move at all. Because of that, the car momentum will cause the car to skid, and the remaining braking power your car will have is between the tyres and the road, which isnt much if there is water in between them.

But with ABS, then it detects brake lock (car tyre not moving, even tho car is still moving), it'll kick in and start working. How it works? It takes over control of your brakes and releases it, so that the wheel can start spinning again and gain back traction with the road. It'll then brake in pulses, to allow the car to brake normally and slow the car down, but it does it in pulses because sometimes when it brakes, if it detects lock again, it will release the brake again.

So ABS is only activated when you do an emergency braking (panic brake). If you do not have ABS, then you have to drive with skill and never stomp on your brakes, so that your car wheels will not lock up and causing your car to skid.
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post Sep 10 2010, 07:08 PM

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hello guyz. just wanna ask, saga blm SE will be available until when ea??

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Sep 10 2010, 03:20 PM)
Wheel slipping I assume means locking of wheels? Well, this mostly happens when you brake quickly, mar. tongue.gif

When you pump your brakes, you're actually reducing the ABS' efficiency.
ABS is meant to stop wheel lock, not stop sliding. It just so happens stopping wheel lock reduces sliding in most road situations. That's all.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/Equipment/absbrakes.html
I'm sure your friend has a good reason for telling you this. Maybe it's due to him being offroad all the time. The quote above explains that ABS actually increases stopping distance in offroad situations.

http://www.intellichoice.com/carBuying101/AntiLockBrakes
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.asp...cumentid=435969
It sounds like your transmission mounting or engine mounting koyak edi. Better do what coolkwc said. Send it to the workshop to get it fixed.
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Oh my goodness. Not again. Does our Saga's engine mounting cost a bomb? Does it pose any risk if I don't go for a repair? Now my pocket sudah berlubang besar. cry.gif
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post Sep 10 2010, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Sep 10 2010, 03:20 PM)
Wheel slipping I assume means locking of wheels? Well, this mostly happens when you brake quickly, mar. tongue.gif

When you pump your brakes, you're actually reducing the ABS' efficiency.
ABS is meant to stop wheel lock, not stop sliding. It just so happens stopping wheel lock reduces sliding in most road situations. That's all.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/Equipment/absbrakes.html
I'm sure your friend has a good reason for telling you this. Maybe it's due to him being offroad all the time. The quote above explains that ABS actually increases stopping distance in offroad situations.

http://www.intellichoice.com/carBuying101/AntiLockBrakes
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.asp...cumentid=435969
It sounds like your transmission mounting or engine mounting koyak edi. Better do what coolkwc said. Send it to the workshop to get it fixed.
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wheel slip and locking of wheels is different
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if i fly over the bump and i just tap the brakes lightly, abs will still kicks in
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nope, depending on how u use it.... i pump my brakes often going up and coming down genting to make use of my ABS
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MAIN point of ABS is to allow u to steer around obstacle NOT shorten your braking distance IN A STRAIGHT LINE.
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post Sep 10 2010, 11:34 PM

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My Blm Mline White November 2008, so far,

5th gear no smooth(still exist) may be due to the gear cloth, tear off..
iafm failure, replace the part inside..
gear spring broken, loose to right side.. replace the spring..
gear 5th spring broken, replaced..
cigarette socket fuse burn, replace fuse unit..

so far so good *touchwood* i like my ride...

about FC for manual...
city drive b4 iafm changed rm0.23
city drive after iafm changed rm0.16

seldom go on highway.. but on highway average is nice fc..
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post Sep 11 2010, 02:26 AM

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QUOTE(klk89 @ Sep 10 2010, 07:45 PM)
Oh my goodness. Not again. Does our Saga's engine mounting cost a bomb? Does it pose any risk if I don't go for a repair? Now my pocket sudah berlubang besar.  cry.gif
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Imagine the whole set of engine or gearbox suddenly drop to the road when u are driving, and tear into powder by the lorry behind, see you want to repair or not... tongue.gif

Check 1st, since you mentioned 'vibrate like going to falls of', sound very serious for me... hmm.gif

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post Sep 11 2010, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Sep 11 2010, 02:26 AM)
Imagine the whole set of engine or gearbox suddenly drop to the road when u are driving, and tear into powder by the lorry behind, see you want to repair or not... tongue.gif

Check 1st, since you mentioned 'vibrate like going to falls of', sound very serious for me... hmm.gif
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What a relief, just back from my SC. The mechanic said the engine position senget(maybe the impact of the collision between my front left tyres and the ditch). They help me tighten the engine and place back to position. Now lesser vibration and rattles when my car is at idle. nod.gif

Its a hard lesson to pay. That is don't speed on a curvy wet road. And change the stock tyres to a better ones. Seriously. You will never know what will happen in the future.
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post Sep 11 2010, 10:51 AM

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change the tires, bro. stock wont bring u to anywhere but heaven.
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post Sep 11 2010, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Sep 11 2010, 10:51 AM)
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change the tires, bro. stock wont bring u to anywhere but heaven.
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After this incident, I am going to change my tyres to Michelin or Yokohama tyres soon no matter what. I am willing to spend extra money on better grip tyres for my own safety. I think everyone should change their tyres to better ones for their own safety. nod.gif
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QUOTE(klk89 @ Sep 11 2010, 11:04 AM)
After this incident, I am going to change my tyres to Michelin or Yokohama tyres soon no matter what. I am willing to spend extra money on better grip tyres for my own safety.  I think everyone should change their tyres to better ones for their own safety. nod.gif
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Saga is using what brand tyres for its Stock tyres?
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post Sep 11 2010, 11:24 AM

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suggest u to get a front strut bar, at least it will help in handlings.
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post Sep 11 2010, 12:26 PM

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saga should be using goodyear unless your branch gave u different brand tyres.
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post Sep 11 2010, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Sep 11 2010, 11:18 AM)
Saga is using what brand tyres for its Stock tyres?
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Silverstone and GoodYear.
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post Sep 11 2010, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Sep 11 2010, 11:24 AM)
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suggest u to get a front strut bar, at least it will help in handlings.
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Does it helps alot in terms of handling?
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