QUOTE(chezzball @ Aug 19 2010, 02:35 PM)
so this is how buddhists treat ppl who wanna understand more on their religion la.. no wonder u guise cannot maju.
so you find it fun to insult buddhists in their own thread?Group LYN Buddhism Retreat - SERIOUS TALK, No trolling please
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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 19 2010, 02:33 PM) Well, the last I remember the Christians went to the East and pillaged their wealth in the name of their Jesus. The INquisition and the Crusades were waged in the name of their Lord. The problem here is, war was waged for wealth and resource. Thats the main objective. Religion was used to con people to join in, which would otherwise cause a backlash. Back then, there was no UN, or civility. Dont like your face, i'll kill you. No religion ever called for its members to kill and pillage for wealth and land. Its the opposite. But due to illiteracy among the peasants, it makes it easier for rich corrupt bureaucrats to con more people. Crusades started off as europes' defense to stop onslaught of islamic invaders, which later spiralled out of control for european kings to gain more control over land and resource and using religion conveniently to con more people, by saying that if you join in the war, your sins can be pardoned (which was false in the first place). The main motive here was never for religion.Islamic conquest , in the name of their Lord too. There hasn't been any war waged in the name of the Buddha, although buddhists do engage in war. That is to say " Fight the infidels in the name of the Buddha" - it's unheard of. But yes, at the end it's the human nature that brought down the good name of their religions. Same with Islam. The conquest here isn't much to propagate. They have no issue propagating without war. It was waged for securing trade routes, land expansion, wealth, etc. The reason why "fight the infidels in the name of buddha" is unheard of is because of the dilution of buddhism. There is no such thing as an infidel in buddhism due to that. Its an all-inclusive religion. If its all inclusive, everyone's a member. So it doesn't make sense to use buddhism to control people in cases of war. But people does use buddhism to earn money (fake monks begging for money, sales of amulets with carvings of monks etc) which is also based on the same reason why wars were waged : for resource. QUOTE(soul2soul @ Aug 19 2010, 02:34 PM) No its not. Its being horny.Just leave him to me. You guys just focus on buddhism and being kind to each other. Not worthy it to get your hands dirty. My hands are already dirty, so might as well |
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 19 2010, 02:45 PM) The problem here is, war was waged for wealth and resource. Thats the main objective. Religion was used to con people to join in, which would otherwise cause a backlash. Back then, there was no UN, or civility. Dont like your face, i'll kill you. No religion ever called for its members to kill and pillage for wealth and land. Its the opposite. But due to illiteracy among the peasants, it makes it easier for rich corrupt bureaucrats to con more people. Crusades started off as europes' defense to stop onslaught of islamic invaders, which later spiralled out of control for european kings to gain more control over land and resource and using religion conveniently to con more people, by saying that if you join in the war, your sins can be pardoned (which was false in the first place). The main motive here was never for religion. there has been fighting between mahayana/vajranaya and theravarda going on in sri lanka during the 11th century. In fact statues of Tibetan Buddhas have been found in sri lanka, but according to records many more were melted down to be made as coins. there is also nichiren daishonin convincing the authorities that all the other buddhist schools in japan at that time were impure and corrupt and should be closed. Same with Islam. The conquest here isn't much to propagate. They have no issue propagating without war. It was waged for securing trade routes, land expansion, wealth, etc. The reason why "fight the infidels in the name of buddha" is unheard of is because of the dilution of buddhism. There is no such thing as an infidel in buddhism due to that. Its an all-inclusive religion. If its all inclusive, everyone's a member. So it doesn't make sense to use buddhism to control people in cases of war. But people does use buddhism to earn money (fake monks begging for money, sales of amulets with carvings of monks etc) which is also based on the same reason why wars were waged : for resource. No its not. Its being horny. Just leave him to me. You guys just focus on buddhism and being kind to each other. Not worthy it to get your hands dirty. My hands are already dirty, so might as well but thats just that. This post has been edited by Joey-kun: Aug 19 2010, 02:50 PM |
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QUOTE(chezzball @ Aug 19 2010, 02:35 PM) so this is how buddhists treat ppl who wanna understand more on their religion la.. no wonder u guise cannot maju. I'm an atheist. Never a buddhist. And i'm more maju than you. I know how to google for info without relying on this thread for infothis thread to me is more for friendly bantering and discussions of issues pertaining to buddhism/ buddhists/ or anything under the sun. |
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 19 2010, 02:49 PM) there has been fighting between mahayana and theravarda going on in sri lanka during the 11th century, as well as nichiren daishonin convincing the authorities that all the other buddhist schools in japan at that time were impure and corrupt and should be closed. Well, human nature. but thats just that. Thats why one should not say no wars were waged in the name of buddhism. Its just so happen that its not convenient to do so. |
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 19 2010, 02:49 PM) I'm an atheist. Never a buddhist. And i'm more maju than you. I know how to google for info without relying on this thread for info theres moar atheist nowadays ...moar younger generation are questioning the god issues...this thread to me is more for friendly bantering and discussions of issues pertaining to buddhism/ buddhists/ or anything under the sun. |
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 19 2010, 02:52 PM) Well, human nature. thats why buddhists shouldnt keep insisting they're the best, the most advanced, the most peaceful...blah blah...Thats why one should not say no wars were waged in the name of buddhism. Its just so happen that its not convenient to do so. just explain and practice and show via example. |
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so, if someone spent time to gather wealth n money, his not good buddhist rite? karma will strike rite? coz one must not attach to desire rite?
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Aug 19 2010, 03:12 PM) so, if someone spent time to gather wealth n money, his not good buddhist rite? karma will strike rite? coz one must not attach to desire rite? I believe the purpose of gathering wealth and money is in question here, not the process, though unethical process does have its implications.If one is to gather wealth and resource so that one can help those in need, then its perfectly good, yes? |
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QUOTE(phantomkid @ Aug 19 2010, 02:30 PM) Like what fail? My mum went to temple the other day and the monk told her something about my sister, and it was true. The monk has 6th sense that can read the future ke? And am not saying the monk has crazy shii- powers to talk to God. Buddhism don't have God with a capital G. They might have deities.If you believe in the supernatural stuffs, then some people might have the ability to see/talk with the deities. But definately the purpose of Buddhism is not for you to chit-chat with the deities. Along the same line, communication with gods/deities is not the duty of monks. QUOTE(phantomkid @ Aug 19 2010, 01:09 PM) Thus fail... |
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Aug 19 2010, 02:49 PM) there has been fighting between mahayana/vajranaya and theravarda going on in sri lanka during the 11th century. In fact statues of Tibetan Buddhas have been found in sri lanka, but according to records many more were melted down to be made as coins. there is also nichiren daishonin convincing the authorities that all the other buddhist schools in japan at that time were impure and corrupt and should be closed. Fighting between Mahayana and Theravada in Sri Lanka? I think you should a bit on the civil war there.. it was India which was already hindu (mahayana already extinct in india at that time , driven up north ) taht invaded Sri Lanka, causing the order of the Nun of Theravada to be lost.but thats just that. Mahayana never actually reached Sri Lanka. |
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