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post Aug 26 2010, 05:31 PM

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I know that Sims 2 and 3 are HDD intensive games. will SSd improve the items and sound loading and game loading and..... Anyone who has SSD tried before?
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post Aug 26 2010, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Aug 26 2010, 05:20 PM)
Well 0.5 USD per Gigabtye or not.  It is unlikely I will buy SSD unless their minimum price is priced close to HDD price now. ~RM100-200

Which gonna take a while.
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If I have done my calculations right, starting next year, it will take about 3 years for the prices to hit about USD 0.50/GB. Assuming Moore's curves, of doubling the transistor count every 18 months, holds out for that long.

It may also take less than 6 years for the prices to hit about RM 0.50/GB.


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post Aug 26 2010, 10:41 PM

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so SSD is still an immature technology.
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post Aug 26 2010, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 26 2010, 09:17 PM)
If I have done my calculations right, starting next year, it will take about 3 years for the prices to hit about USD 0.50/GB. Assuming Moore's curves, of doubling the transistor count every 18 months, holds out for that long.

It may also take less than 6 years for the prices to hit about RM 0.50/GB.
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Not sure where i've sourced it but prices are gonna fall to USD 1/gb by end of this year.

This is more than moores law. It's kinda like an explosion. Lightspeed may hit the market way slower, because when enterprise ssd becomes consumer grade = 500mb+ read/write. okay off topic.

Anyway to the person who says let it hit RM 100-200. I'd say when it hit 1gb/dollar, it is a good time to buy. Think of it as PC on steroid.

You've upgraded every single component on your pc, and want it faster. You're willing to spend thousands on cpu. Another thousand on Mobo+Ram combo. Hey, why not add another thousand and put those games and photoshop on steroid ?


Added on August 27, 2010, 12:01 am
QUOTE(samftrmd @ Aug 26 2010, 05:31 PM)
I know that Sims 2 and 3 are HDD intensive games. will SSd improve the items and sound loading and game loading and..... Anyone who has SSD tried before?
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No ssd yet. But i've had a solution.

Open your case and put your ears at the HDD. If you hear HDD groaning while your' loading a level or in the middle of something, it is seeking data.
If you hear it way lot more, than it's constantly seeking, which would mean, ssd win due to low seeking time.

Most rts games dont seek because when it's loaded the whole thing is thrown it.

RPG seeks. because throwing the whole thing in is insane, imposible. In such situation ssd helps by low seeking time + 275mb read access.

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post Aug 27 2010, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(dtdw @ Aug 26 2010, 11:54 PM)
Not sure where i've sourced it but prices are gonna fall to USD 1/gb by end of this year.

This is more than moores law. It's kinda like an explosion. Lightspeed may hit the market way slower, because when enterprise ssd becomes consumer grade = 500mb+ read/write. okay off topic.

Anyway to the person who says let it hit RM 100-200. I'd say when it hit 1gb/dollar, it is a good time to buy. Think of it as PC on steroid.

You've upgraded every single component on your pc, and want it faster. You're willing to spend thousands on cpu. Another thousand on Mobo+Ram combo. Hey, why not add another thousand and put those games and photoshop on steroid ?
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the reality is, I dont spend > RM300 on CPU anymore. Even graphic chip is also <RM500. Especially there isnt much different in term of performance if u are not a gamer.

A more progressive upgrade like every 6 months seems to be a better choice.

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post Aug 27 2010, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(dtdw @ Aug 26 2010, 11:54 PM)
Not sure where i've sourced it but prices are gonna fall to USD 1/gb by end of this year.

This is more than moores law. It's kinda like an explosion. Lightspeed may hit the market way slower, because when enterprise ssd becomes consumer grade = 500mb+ read/write.
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Based on our local prices for Intel's Gen 2, it's currently 3.23 USD/GB. For Intel's Gen 3 to fall to USD 1/GB by the end of this year, it needs to have a 70% price cut. That's big. Bigger than the 60% price cut over the Gen 1 when Gen 2 was introduced. shocking.gif

Not sure where you're going with "Lightspeed". Did you mean "Light Peak"?

QUOTE(dtdw @ Aug 26 2010, 11:54 PM)
Anyway to the person who says let it hit RM 100-200. I'd say when it hit 1gb/dollar, it is a good time to buy. Think of it as PC on steroid.

You've upgraded every single component on your pc, and want it faster. You're willing to spend thousands on cpu. Another thousand on Mobo+Ram combo. Hey, why not add another thousand and put those games and photoshop on steroid ?
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My CPU, MB and GPU cost me a total of RM 1K. Then I went on to spend RM 900 on an SSD, and I don't regret it. laugh.gif

QUOTE(dtdw @ Aug 26 2010, 11:54 PM)
No ssd yet. But i've had a solution.

Open your case and put your ears at the HDD. If you hear HDD groaning while your' loading a level or in the middle of something, it is seeking data.
If you hear it way lot more, than it's constantly seeking, which would mean, ssd win due to low seeking time.

Most rts games dont seek because when it's loaded the whole thing is thrown it.

RPG seeks. because throwing the whole thing in is insane, imposible. In such situation ssd helps by low seeking time + 275mb read access.
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There is a better solution. Download Process Explorer. It is the Windows Task Manager on steroids. It can detail to you, down to the byte, just how much was read and written.

Maybe I had read it wrong, but I remember that "Medieval 2: Total War" only read 40~MB from the hard disk when starting the game and loading a save. rclxub.gif
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well we wont know how fast prices can fall. but if based on intel's roadmap, they always do a refresh at the same price. ok mayb not always, but assuming 160 refresh to 300 at the same price as now. which the cheapest i found in forum would be 1.3k ? and they're introducing 600gb. give them a year more and that 300 will be 600 @ 1.3k again .. yep it's fast.

i for one, dont know what the heck is 10k rpm lying around anymore. let the alone the hybrid.

*yea i think it's lightspeak but whatever lol ... i had no interest in that far of a future ..
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post Aug 28 2010, 11:05 PM

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SSD sounds tempting, but high price tag makes ppl shy away
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QUOTE(teknokrasi @ Aug 28 2010, 11:05 PM)
SSD sounds tempting, but high price tag makes ppl shy away
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yea, just can say the time haven't come yet. sad.gif
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post Aug 29 2010, 02:34 AM

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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Aug 29 2010, 12:59 AM)
yea, just can say the time haven't come yet. sad.gif
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Btw,.. with ssd, we can say good bye to bad sector like magnetic hdd.. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(teknokrasi @ Aug 29 2010, 02:34 AM)
Btw,.. with ssd, we can say good bye to sector like magnetic hdd.. rclxms.gif
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yea, ssd really is a good invention.
more reliable, and data are more secure. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 29 2010, 08:48 AM

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anyone using Intel X25-V 40GB? i plan to buy it as Win7 boot drive, price is RM360 now.

btw, the 1st SATA3 6Gb/s SSD, Crucial C300 64GB @ RM600.
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i think can wait and see how is the intel gen 3 ssd perform and price first. brows.gif
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Still can't decide if it is worth it to get SSD now :S

I hope the intel gen 3 really affects the price of the older ones nicely.
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post Aug 30 2010, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(moshpit21 @ Aug 30 2010, 02:33 AM)
Still can't decide if it is worth it to get SSD now :S

I hope the intel gen 3 really affects the price of the older ones nicely.
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it is only worth when their minimum price is as low as HDD price, which is about RM100.
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QUOTE(moshpit21 @ Aug 30 2010, 02:33 AM)
Still can't decide if it is worth it to get SSD now :S

I hope the intel gen 3 really affects the price of the older ones nicely.
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SSD is not worth for the current price, however it is rather worth on the user's experience. SSD is the single upgrade where users will feel a tremendous difference to the PC than upgrading other components like RAM, etc.

SSD is considered luxury item. If you have extra funds and can afford an SSD, you should go for it.
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one must rmb that it took years for hdd to fall to this low, partly due to size increase and parts are widely available making reduced manufacturing cost.

ssd has effect on hdd price somewhere or another, since many consider ssd main with 2tb backup.

but you forgot how exp those 20/40/80gb were, and you're dying to get a pay check so that you can buy it, coz you dont have enuf space, or it always die on you once a year. (i'm a victim of dead hdd) lol ..

and then not forgetting the noobish days when you complain the pc is slow, and someone smarter just say " upgrade your ram, buy another stick and shove it in " .. hahah .. and ram aint cheap before ..

so now you have the best option, get ssd, at the exp price you spent on pata hdd, and ram .. and no more complains tongue.gif
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OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 120GB Solid
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had any one see this in LYP or lyn? seems like good perfomance and not branded yet
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post Sep 1 2010, 02:58 PM

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It will last very long cos no moving part. You should see You tube how they trow, fly kite with it, take the ssd for a ride on a car travelling 300mph and trow it out from the car, Burn it in hot sun and it still a live.

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QUOTE(MidTower @ Sep 1 2010, 11:13 AM)
OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 120GB Solid
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had any one see this in LYP or lyn? seems like good perfomance and not branded yet
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nope so far, i dun see G-skill nor OWC SSD in LYP yet.

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