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post Aug 18 2010, 04:49 PM

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yea, read this: biggrin.gif
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Confirms+25...rticle18415.htm
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post Aug 18 2010, 05:47 PM

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i'm considering installing it to my laptop...
so how much battery power it can save??
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post Aug 18 2010, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(Crazy.SoT.Gila @ Aug 17 2010, 12:59 PM)
Shit. Is my SSD dying? blink.gif

Benchmark for my Intel X-25M G2 80GB:

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So much worse compared to jinaun's! And what's with the 48195K - BAD? unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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use the intel ssd toolbox to check how many GB has already written ..

post ur toolbox smart screen
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post Aug 18 2010, 10:00 PM

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still waiting the price to fall into affordable+bigger capacity drool.gif
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post Aug 19 2010, 02:28 AM

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wonder when only the ocz colossus 1tb ssd will be affordable. sweat.gif
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post Aug 19 2010, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(jinaun @ Aug 18 2010, 05:47 PM)
use the intel ssd toolbox to check how many GB has already written ..

post ur toolbox smart screen
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Did I overuse it? sad.gif

Full exported report in the zip file. LYN won't let me attach .csv.


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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 10 2010, 03:04 PM)
Depends on the programming. Doing a keyword search across dozens or hundreds of files is a lot more quicker. And then there is everything else, like a lot faster boot up.

Works best with Win7. WinXP isn't optimised for SSDs.

Would be first time SSD owners probably might want to wait a few more months for Intel to release their 3rd generation SSDs. As there might be up to 50% price reduction for the same capacity.
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o.O srsly? Thanks for the news, almost bugged my friend to get me one at staff price from Intel biggrin.gif
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post Aug 20 2010, 09:03 AM

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well.. here is the readout from mine

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post Aug 20 2010, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(jinaun @ Aug 20 2010, 09:03 AM)
well.. here is the readout from mine

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Ah. I suppose I wrote too much. Guess TRIM doesn't do wonders sad.gif

How about the 48195K - BAD? Any ideas what that is?
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so far which controller have the best performance ?
i notice that review always mention about the controller when reviewing SSD .. is it very important ?
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QUOTE(rasyid @ Aug 20 2010, 12:52 PM)
so far which controller have the best performance ?
i notice that review always mention about the controller when reviewing SSD .. is it very important ?
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Yes,controller is one of the biggest factor that affect SSD speed smile.gif
Try to dig up anandtech.com storage article,they had write plenty of stuff on ssd biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(doob @ Aug 18 2010, 12:10 PM)
gen3 coming out??
anybody wanna buy my gen2 80gb?  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(User_Xp @ Aug 18 2010, 10:00 PM)
still waiting the price to fall into affordable+bigger capacity  drool.gif
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when gen 3 is our 160gb should b less than 600 i guess rclxms.gif

QUOTE(saturn85 @ Aug 19 2010, 02:28 AM)
wonder when only the ocz colossus 1tb ssd will be affordable. sweat.gif
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when u got children dy i guess laugh.gif its not dropping fast from 20k range onwards rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Aug 20 2010, 03:40 PM)
when gen 3 is our 160gb should b less than 600 i guess rclxms.gif
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wow, hope it is true. rclxms.gif
then 80gb should be affordable. drool.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Aug 20 2010, 03:40 PM)
when gen 3 is our 160gb should b less than 600 i guess rclxms.gif
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Wow. If that's true I'm very likely to upgrade from my 80GB drool.gif Hopefully they'll be able to anticipate the demand better this time. G2 had shortage for a period which led to vendors increasing price beyond reasonable.
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QUOTE(Crazy.SoT.Gila @ Aug 20 2010, 09:18 AM)
Ah. I suppose I wrote too much. Guess TRIM doesn't do wonders sad.gif

How about the 48195K - BAD? Any ideas what that is?
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The 48195K -BAD is referring to your disk alignment, which is out. Use google to search for 'ssd K - BAD' for more info.
BTW, what Windows version are you using, and how did you partition your SSD in the first place?

TRIM's sole purpose is to properly erase those sectors where your files were marked for deletion. Without TRIM, those files will still remain (eventhough you do not see it in Windows/space frees up after deletion) unless overwritten in the future. That's the cause of SSD performance degradation, if it does not have TRIM. It does not help in preserving the wear and tear of the SSD.

The write cycles contributes to the SSD wear and tear. The more you write to it, the faster it's wear and tear. Normally, to prolong the SSD, we have an SSD to solely run Windows/applications on, and another normal HDD to store you files (movies/mp3s/doc etc.) The key here is to limit the number of writes to your SSD.

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can we put SSD into water?
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QUOTE(tskhang @ Aug 21 2010, 12:32 PM)
The 48195K -BAD is referring to your disk alignment, which is out. Use google to search for 'ssd K - BAD' for more info.
BTW, what Windows version are you using, and how did you partition your SSD in the first place?

TRIM's sole purpose is to properly erase those sectors where your files were marked for deletion. Without TRIM, those files will still remain (eventhough you do not see it in Windows/space frees up after deletion) unless overwritten in the future. That's the cause of SSD performance degradation, if it does not have TRIM. It does not help in preserving the wear and tear of the SSD.

The write cycles contributes to the SSD wear and tear. The more you write to it, the faster it's wear and tear. Normally, to prolong the SSD, we have an SSD to solely run Windows/applications on, and another normal HDD to store you files (movies/mp3s/doc etc.) The key here is to limit the number of writes to your SSD.
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Thanks! Read some of it, seems complicated. Will continue reading.

I'm using Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. I'm pretty sure I just did a Windows 7 install to partition it.

Ah. I didn't know there was such a substantial degradation from wear and tear. I always thought that it was just because of the files remaining, which TRIM fixes.

Unfortunately I'm using a laptop, so it can be quite a hassle to be having an external HDD there always. Guess I'll definitely be getting a 160GB next time biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alexilalas @ Aug 21 2010, 02:10 PM)
can we put SSD into water?
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maybe will cause some metal on the circuit board rust faster. unsure.gif
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post Aug 21 2010, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(Crazy.SoT.Gila @ Aug 21 2010, 02:33 PM)
Thanks! Read some of it, seems complicated. Will continue reading.

I'm using Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. I'm pretty sure I just did a Windows 7 install to partition it.

Ah. I didn't know there was such a substantial degradation from wear and tear. I always thought that it was just because of the files remaining, which TRIM fixes.

Unfortunately I'm using a laptop, so it can be quite a hassle to be having an external HDD there always. Guess I'll definitely be getting a 160GB next time biggrin.gif
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The lifespan of an SSD really isn't an issue for most home users. At 5,000 write cycles for an 80GB SSD, in a perfect use, it will accept 400,000 GB of writes or 219 GB of writes a day for 5 years. Even taking the write amplification factor, which TRIM partly mitigates, into consideration, you should still be able to write 100 GB a day (20 GB more than capacity) for five years before failure.

To lose your SSD to wear and tear, you would have to fill up your SSD every single day for five years! Wear and tear is not a real problem.
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post Aug 21 2010, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 21 2010, 06:35 PM)
The lifespan of an SSD really isn't an issue for most home users. At 5,000 write cycles for an 80GB SSD, in a perfect use, it will accept 400,000 GB of writes or 219 GB of writes a day for 5 years. Even taking the write amplification factor, which TRIM partly mitigates, into consideration, you should still be able to write 100 GB a day (20 GB more than capacity) for five years before failure.

To lose your SSD to wear and tear, you would have to fill up your SSD every single day for five years! Wear and tear is not a real problem.
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NIce info. I google more and found this article. 1 relavant quote are: " Intel estimates that the 80GB X25-M will last for five years with "much greater than" 100GB of write-erase per day. That's a relatively long time for much more data than most folks are likely to write or erase on a daily basis.

Actual drive lifespans aside, Intel rates the X25-M's Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF) at 1.2 million hours.
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Source: http://techreport.com/articles.x/15433

So definitely the intel X-25M SSD can last more than 5 years with no wear and tear problem

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