well technically, PvT would not go colossus-VR...
u wont be able to support it (especially low gateway count where marauders can jz stim and kill ur colossus downright) and it is damn immobile...
colossus-phoenix is the better one off 3 base (2 stargate)...

thus, u should not ever be concern about VR colossus deathball...
viking wit micro will tear tat composition into pieces with some micro...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Mar 14 2011, 03:05 PM

collosus void ray is a PvP strat

Or PvZ

Some Toss players will go for stalkers, immortals and void rays against Terran players who would go for 1/1/1 build and walling off the entrance, thus resulting the vr to charge up the buildings, with stalkers and or immortal supporting the vr, really annoying.

again& again, all the units combination u guys mentioned doesnt seem possible to get in a normal game, it is surely ur fault somewhere if the toss can come out with stalkers ,void rays and immortals outside ur walled in 1 base.

However, yeah it is one of the way(voidray) for the protoss to counter terran who wall in, i've avoided wall in using buildings like rax or supply nowadays, although 100 or 150 mineral might be cheap but it is annoying to lose 2 supply and get supply blocked or a rax, probably ur 1st rax with addons or even worse, with upgrades still pending.

This post has been edited by Timber2k7: Mar 15 2011, 07:59 AM

actually it didn't happen to me. I saw it happen during a replay.
But yeah, with proper timing push and harassment, Terran should be able to prevent Toss from getting deathballs.

I'm still mid bronze, so MMM works pretty well against everything.
still learning to standardize my build orders.

well, start from now, learn not to wall in. wall in is a nett lost of mining time and it matters.

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Added on March 15, 2011, 11:18 amerrr......1-1-1 build walling off entrance means you are in 1 base?

opponent protoss get robotics, stargate and gateway???? i've nvr seen a protoss go for both robotics and stargate via 1 base so im assuming he is in 2 base? then of course you will lose to a 2 base protoss if you are in 1 base.

p/s i should refine, i've nvr seen a protoss going for both robotics and stargate via 1 base without losing. you can check the replay and see how pathetic amount of ground army he can afford via 1 base....

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Mar 15 2011, 11:18 AM

another reason not to wall in early vs toss is to avoid losing ur 1st supply depot to proxy gateway

Supply depots and Addons (tech labs & reactors) are so vulnerable.
In TvT matchups I usually target them first when I attack

imho no reason to really wall in vs toss besides trying to delay early scouting information...
for defense i think 1-2 bunkers would be more than enuff before u get ur tech up...
i always advise toss to go VR when u see the terran wall LOL...

moreover terran wall in is very vulnerable to scouting probe harrass....even if you can swap building scv perfectly fine, you are wasting 2 scv mining time.......its just too expensive to get the wall up and you are exposed to too many unnecessary danger.

And you should never wall off against another Terran lol
just a friendly reminder

someone just 4 starport me off 2 base in a tvt. i was caught off guard. tho i won the game, i still think its a pretty sleek strategy.....lol

he went blue flame hellion vikings and cloak banshee only. IMO if refined, its pretty baller haha cuz its mobile and blue flame hellion clears all marine.

common build in NA...
u can find the strat in TL...

lol, i played almost full time on NA but this is the 1st time someone tried it on me. o.o

owh well, i was well prepared for it because the 6 min scan i saw his hellions and starport producing medivac, and after 50 mana i scan again, i saw him researching cloak. i went 1 rax FE vs this strat and suffering 0 damage so its pretty hard for me to lose that game even if he go something crazy....

i thot u play on KR?

ps: day9 did cover this build in one of the daily i forgoten who was the guy tat invented it...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Mar 22 2011, 06:42 PM

most of the time still on NA, KR account i share with my friend. and im suffering there o.o they totally pawned me, dun think im fit for KR yet i play on KR to find new strategy and get pawned. realistic check lol

well, even my full time is like........4 hours per week? lol....need to study la lol

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Mar 22 2011, 06:45 PM

cool.. i m 2 per week

hi all! long time no post!
with the coming season2, i present you a showcase of how OP MMM is played by yours truly:

http://www.quazacolt.com/starcraft2/replay...vored.SC2Replay

its a diamond random 2v2, opponents are slightly favored, my ally was in despair and quit early, leaving me with only a bit of gas and few hundred minerals and an observer (this little guy helped the most!) while his base got demolished early. granted, enemy terran was a total noob (or so it seems, if hes just trollin, thats his problem, not mine. and he totally deserved the lost)

only MMM + scans/observer. nothing else. 1 base play (though i got 2nd cc up almost end of game)
owning a protoss thats loaded with imm/stalker/sentry/zealot with 2 bases, and a terran with massed marines/ghost.

A SHAMEFUR DISPRAY

forget marauders, tanks, ghost and all sort money wasted bull of sh-it. Just use marines + medievecs. GG