nvr tried 2 thor rush but against toss now, polt timing attack ftw!!! its so imba!!!!

my tvp now i think is 5 win streak no lose yet, all polt timing attack. the fun thing here is turtle, when its time for 4 gate to reach, u will have 1 tank with siege mode up just in time, if u can hold till raven got PDD, its game over. somemore almost 99% u got a free orbs kill every game XD but if they 2 gate rush u, den need to crack head abit....

somemore cuz i just started using polt timing attack this morning, my APM is as low as 90ish cuz keep on figuring out the gas, kena supply block and other shits, still, i could win players at my level or even higher. make me feel its the strategy that imba, not the player that is imba. =(( strategy > player skill in sc2 compare to BW when only better player will win. something........recently being debated alot.

how to defend against the toss who send his probe to my base basically from the very first second of the game (for cannon rush)? need to run my worker around the base for EVERY match-ups against toss?

Well maybe they need a slight buff? who knows?

BC is kinda of useless without support. if you go like pure mass bc,  most like will be kited to death by Vikings.
But BC with viking= air superiority!!!!!..and partically a flying ball of death. Terran aint got good anti air.

Marines = raped by BC once vikings take out medivacs.
Thors = antiair sucks against armored BC. Plus BC got yamato!!
Vikings= cant hold it against BC+vikings!!
Turrets=pwned by yamato

So BC is still viable but usually late game lo..talking of which maybe I want to try

lol....now if im against muta baneling i will go for a bald FE too.....cuz 1 base terran vs full map control zerg is very hard, maybe only 1 base mech push can work out, if you hit at the sweet timing. im not that familiar with zerg timing yet so i just throw down a FE and play 2 base to 2 base....havent found 1 perfect solution to punish zerg for doing muta ling yet....maybe blue flame hellion 2 fac reactor + 2 weapon can work out XD force enemy to transition into roach hydra, hence lower muta count?

Just do a Marines SCVs all-in rush before the Baneling Nest is out. If failed, rage quit and get another new game. Lol...

Read: Rage quit = IdrA's style "Isn't that amazing? You won without doing a single thing".

ya, i kena once b4, he just do enuf roaches to fend off my hellions, den i overreacted to tank, marauders and banshee, he just used muta to rofl me....hmm.....i think im going to experiment a new strategy tonight...

had u all tried.......fast reactor starport? mass vikings about same amount as muta, from theory, same amount of viking wins muta so u can get air control, get alot of free overlords, force zerg to hydra. no hydra = instant GG. the default way to win hydra is no creep spread....hydra without creep lose to anything. with creep tank would be the hard counter. but i think a splinter of raven to clear creep + infantry will be enuf........will try with build order tester later....and now you get map control, zerg have 0 map control (imagine u kena contain by muta harrass at 2 mineral line....same situation for zerg now....sounds orgasms enuf for me)

if not, maybe marine raven build from team liquid?

but if im playing on lost temple, i nvr had issue with zerg, just cliff drop the hell of him!!! thorship build almost never lose on close air position....

---

Added on December 3, 2010, 1:27 pmwon a 1600 diamond zerg at metalopolis today.....but im trying to convince myself i won not because he resisted to out muta XD its in custom game tho....maybe he want to try to win a terran without muta....XDD

what i tried in that game, reactored marine hellion turtle in base, throw a scan at my....2nd/3rd 50 mana? saw he transfering drone, i noe he is just building up his econ, i throw down my expo and push out with marine hellion. saw alot of static defence (5+ spine and lings). now i know he is turtling in 2 base to build up econ for a massive push (i thought was muta) so start to produce medivec start to drop rines and hellions at his base to keep him in his foot (+ his statis defence got no use against drops) and i start to build up siege tanks, raven, marauders.....while still constantly pressuring with marine and hellions with drops....then i put a hellion at all possible 3rd expo position, and use all my force to deny his 3rd. use all i can to deny 3rd....and a 3rd is very important to zerg so he kept on trying to get 3rd also...he tried 3-4 times and i noe i won adi after denying 3 times.....cuz he is desperate for money but he cant make it...while i adi have 3 bases and building up my 4th....basically i just wait him to starve and push me with ultras, den bam, massive push and won.

tl:dr, in tvz i think my new mindset is

-pressuring with early units (drops, hellions, rines) to keep him on his foot + full map control with hellions
-dun lose in economy, my natural expo must be up, then i can support splinter ambush + bunkers siege tanks to defend myself.
-winning point, wait him go for 3rd (a sign he is starving) then destroy his 3rd at all cost. then take a 3rd urself.
afterall, he didnt out muta so i think my statements will be harder to do if they went muta XD need about 2 turrents and thors to defend...=(

So basically just turtled up and wait for the chance? I was against a Zerg yesterday, keep on pumping rines and hellions, forcing him to go roach while I tech switch to siege tank. After that, I watch the replay, meh not as what I expected, the zerg have really bad macro that game, guess would try it out again against a good zerg.

i came from a bronze. i think its through lurking in forums, watch tons of videos.....playing 100 starcraft games straight up doesnt work that well for me....give urself some rest by watching day9 and reading teamliquids....

owh ya, another thing i find very useful is by downloading a sc2 replay from korean pro, a very standard short 10 min game (lets say 3 rax push, 4 gate, mutaling at steppes, blistering and str8 win) and write down all the important timings and play again with easy AI, then try to follow the timing. lets say......4 min pop down 3 rax, 8 min pop spire, 5.50 4 gate complete with x stalker y zealot.....try to find a str8 forward pro game and immitate the game.

a very clear sign of improving is.......after resting for 48 hour from ladder, get a 5 win streak. den u will start to win lose win lose again, then rest and improve again, then go for another streak....
my 2 cents.

The world is going for fast paced match. In the past sports like Volleyball and Badminton last so long that everyone will feel asleep during a Thomas Cup. Now the point rally system paces up the game without reducing their attractiveness.

Long duration games just make me felt asleep.

talk to rotijohn

I normally regard IdrA's word as arrogant, meaningless, bullsh1t and pointless. There are so many ways to play the game. Being able to macro well doesn't automatically mean that you are above everyone else. Being able to stay in the game for 30 mins doesn't automatically mean you are a good StarCraft player.

The world is looking for result. They don't give a shit on the process. If LCW plays damn well and still loses to Lin Dan, he's still inferior to Lin Dan no matter how you look at it.

BTW in case you haven't realized, IdrA rates himself above everyone else. He is still naive enough and still thought that he himself is the best player in the world (Or the entire universe).

wahahaha, sorry as i am 26 years old working adult, got no time to play long macro game. my playing style is like 10minutes-either-i-pawn-u-or-u-pawn-me.

hmm

yeah, me too, i lost patience when the game goes to 20minutes ++. Will really think of type gg and quit hahahahha

from your explanation, its more like the.....contain and expand tactic, its a safe way to play, like those casters mention, expand when you push. im imagining now u basically expand at 38-40ish supplies with 15 infantries containing him...

u can actually continue to do this strat until you find it not working anymore. from my wild guess, ways to refine it.

-pull 3 scv and build bunker turrents as contain, best position should be out of his ramp shooting range and close enuf to make sure he doesnt expand at his nat. *while u are expanding* so now its 2 base v 1.

most of the time a toss who knows whats up will tech up to collosus and break ur contain when terma lenses are completed so always follow up with a reactored starport right after CC up and pump vikings before its too late =) marauders do pretty well against collosus too if they get in range.

they cant fund high templar with only 1 base so its still ok but if they get HT, its pretty much over adi....unless u get enuf ghosts and micro them correctly.

another possibility is warpgate/proxy pylon backstab ur vulnerable base, put 2-3 rines at strategic fly paths to spot warp gates...for proxy pylons.......scout more =) theres no strategy with 0 weaknesses.

where do you download pro korean replays?

im still learning tvz too, although theres alot of good builds in team liquid but still havent found 1 that suites me....

u can try raven marine build which emphasizes in massing marines to trade gas army from zerg and eventually make zerg gas starved.

4OC on 2 base build, (exploit mules that doesnt mineral harvesting stack with SCV, having 2 base with 4OC can get mineral as fast as a 3.5 base zerg) spam hellion and marines.

1-1-1 hellion harrass into banshee harrass into 100 food big push

maybe theres some forumers here very comfortable in tvz can share protips. especially on terran unfavored maps....

theres alot of builds but i still havent come up with 1 very comfortable =((( tvz is still my weakest ring.

but basically rule of thumbs, put a scv at their nat, if theres no FE, btr bunker up no matter wat...1 base muta, 1 base bane all in, 1 base +1 slings, 1 base 7RR all these shits if you know its coming, you can D it, then you win eventually. if they FE, FE to follow up too, at least u wont need to sked about early aggressions.

im really slow! keep losing. 40 wins 53 losses.

I had had some success with few thor in front + marine n marauder again baneling. But im just a lowly bronze so just disregard me