as day9 put it, mass up a big deathball and give a big giant punch to his face...
each time he expand (beyond the 3rd base imho) would give u a bigger window for that...
that's wut i learnt from day9 plus replays and some personal experience (both as a terran and a zerg since i random)

Oh ya, am learning through Day9 as well, that lad is really a genius gamer, but too bad my connection always let me down, always stream halfway then gone case.

u can download it, i downloaded all my dailies now...
good thing bout downloading is that u can always resume it even when u stop it/ dc etc...

Link please? Or you just direct download it?

http://day9tv.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc
there's a download link when u are streaming each vid =p

Didn't know that, thanks mate!

no prob =p

VR >> thor LOL.. xD

i tried it many times.. when the person had 1 thor in my base and the other was half of the map, I had 2 VRS and the rest were mix of 1 sentry, more zealots n less stalkers since vr eat up most of my gasses.. 3 gateways 1 stargate.. I charge up my vrs with my gateways before i engage, FF on thors do stop the scvs from repairing the thors for a moment if u clicked on them, or maybe you could ff beside the thor to interupt some scvs repairing or most of his marines attacking your vrs..

he was like how did u get so many thors, and i was saying thors are tier 3 units and vrs are tier 2.5 so how can i not have more vrs than your thors lol!

OMG, I beaten a Plat Zerg today, couldn't believe it!

Another one!

This post has been edited by smartleader: Nov 19 2010, 03:30 AM

don't quite get you la bro.
suppose to be vr issit?

zzz am I the one you saying? gonna do 1:1:1 build vs toss, more secure ahahahahha

vs toss now i like 2 rax 1st, reaper scout if they are 4 gating or not...if they are not, then FE, if they are, then 3 rax marauder...with 3-5 reaper waiting outside his base, once he move out, can harass mineral line...reaper works like overlord in lost temple lol....stand on top of the cliff...

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Added on November 19, 2010, 10:57 ami nvr play mech against toss till recently Painuser showed sick clock banshee push....a handful of antiair (marine/thor) snipe down obs then 6 banshee will seal the deal.

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Nov 19 2010, 10:57 AM

Wow, nice strategie. im just a bronze noobie terran player. i got MMM down, though i've relied on it so much that when other people get colossi, im usually screwed. can someone tell me other builds that are just as effective as MMM?

If you let Toss get to Colo without any obstruction then it's basically an auto win for Toss. Try to get some early Banshees to harass Toss' mineral line. If he already got Colo, then you will need to have few Vikings. 1-1-1 build normally works against Toss.

This post has been edited by westley0214: Nov 20 2010, 12:12 PM

as a terran beginner. i would suggest you getting used to the traditional mmm push. Especially against a toss, cause a mm timing push with stim or concussive shells if he goes zealots is just so powerful in the early game against toss. it could set you up a window to expand and form there on you could get vikings if you scanned a robobay. but i normally prefer to go marauder heavy against collosus maybe throw in a ghost or 2 for emps if there are immortals and especially if they have sentries.
and the 1-1-1 is not a build. its just an opening for you to adapt, it is safe against alot of builds the toss can throw at you. but only if u could adapt to it.
cheers

This post has been edited by tjinn: Nov 20 2010, 12:43 PM

koreans are using the 1-1-1 a lot now...
marine tank banshee (and medics/ vikings later on)...
its like the most popular korean TvP build above 1800 there...

marine tanks in front wit a banshee behind the mineral (flank the army if needed/ vision for tanks)...
if u dun kill him outrite, u will contain the toss below his ramp with 3-4 siege tanks and 1-2 bunkers...
dun put ur tanks too near the ramp due to immortals (nada's mistake vs tester from gomtv allstars), as long as u can keep the containment up its pretty much game...

if he expand, its pretty much auto win for u as well as he wont have enuff gas to get the robo+obs+immortals or have sufficient gateways to beat ur power play...
unlike the polt timing attack where the toss can FE and cannon up, they cant do so with siege tanks around...
thus its the new korean standard now according to my fren there, he raged so much as he is losing PvT to this build continuously...
(for those wondering, toss FE build revolve around gateway timings and is on 1 gas for quite some time)...

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Added on November 20, 2010, 2:06 pmtrue 1-1-1 is by far the safest opener...
depending on wut u scout u can transition into any possible possibility and none of the toss opening can kill u...
2 bunkers totally shut down 4 gate till ur tanks/ cloak banshee comes up and its auto win for u...

with swapping of add-ons u can pretty much handle anything the toss can throw at u and u can throw it back at them harder if u have sufficient scouting as u can tech switch with ease...

still for a newer player, going bio-based builds are easier as 1-1-1 styles require good gas management and map awareness...
and delay ur expansion as a good toss can punish u dearly if u expand wit good forcefields (3 gate variants)

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Added on November 20, 2010, 3:00 pmthis is how u thordrop, foxer style (pretty similar to his gsl finals game vs nestea in terms of opening)...
high emphasize on killing overlords...
note his scv placements for repairs (at the gold for elevator)

http://sc2rep.com/replays/show?id=2940
foxer vs zenio on GOMtv all-star (2 days ago)

specially dedicated to Mr 1500 rated maphacker that say thordrop on LT is impossible and only for terrans that dun understand the basic mechanics of a terran...
foxer's supply-depot love at the end of the game i think is dedicated to u

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 20 2010, 03:00 PM

HAHAHA YEA ITS VR

anyways theres alot of 1:1:1 build currently in NA and sea

free play la now..i just got pwned by a smurf that outmacroed the shit out of me. definitely high diamond.. on the day i decide to play ladder match sommore.. haihz.

i should go smurf u as well =p

u can't smurf me. ur a noobcake xD