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TruthHurts
post Nov 30 2011, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 30 2011, 12:24 PM)
what can 8 lings do if they arrive at doorstep at 3.30?

ZvT

standard wall off finish at 2.45, marine pop out at 3.15. 3.30 8 lings reach? 1 marine stand behind wall shoot 8 lings for free.

ZvP

experiment on metalopolis. standard 9 pylon scout.

after 9 pylon, go to edge of base, depends see overlord or not, can scout opponent at 1st try. longest possible distance = cross spawn, probe reach at 1.36, realize pool spawning, at home throw down a forge wall, wall off complete at 2.25. 1 cannon behind shooting anyone?
ZvZ

assuming most zerg go for standard 14 gas 14 pool.

close air position, overlord reach at 1.30, which is about 12 food, opponent see you throw down pool, so i can throw down pool too, in a mirror build of ling aggression, the defender always have advantage because defender reinforcement can battle right away, dun need to travel to opponent base.

if cross spawn assuming standard 14 gas 14 pool drone till 16, get queen speed only start ling production, at 3.30 i will only have 2 sets of ling in production, and you have 8 llings at my house already. but as i said....defender has the advantage of stalling for time for more reinforcement. and speed queen is in production already. unless this 8 lings can win 16 drone + 4 lings, i still think 14 pool is more solid.
my advice for early pool lover.

learn from this guy, he is the professor in early pool. pin point all ur bench mark, throw down pool at specific seconds and micro the heart out of you, cuz early pool is a big risk.
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There are 50% chance the terren will not block or either still building the rax same as protoss, take out the pylon, you stop the production. Beside i usually early ling and does give me 50% chance taking them out either workers or structure. But you gotta have 2 side of the brain working as im massing worker and upgrading while control the ling harassment at the enemy base, so hard but im getting use to it.
Against 6~7 pool Zerg, Yes some Zerg player do 6 pool on me. By the time they reach my base, my lings already pop out and kill them before doing any damage.
Early pool depend on the player. Some can and some cant. And i do watch pro play, but all and all, the start of development is my way not theirs. I say pro go to 14 and some 18 and make units at 5 mins !! hmm.gif
quest_5692
post Nov 30 2011, 12:56 PM

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if you play terran or even play against terran more often in ladder, you will notice its not 50% chance block, its 90% block, actually i think 90% is understatement. a terran got no reason not to block ramp. maybe we can ask other fellow terrans for their opinion. kai, jeff, greenwood, echo, geney, me we are all terrans

and 3.30, theres no way the rax is still building, a 12 rax finishes at 2.45 unless your opponent dont even know how to execute a 12 rax...or going for 14 CC first.

for ZvZ im saying against 14 pool, not 6 pool.
TruthHurts
post Nov 30 2011, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 30 2011, 12:56 PM)
if you play terran or even play against terran more often in ladder, you will notice its not 50% chance block, its 90% block, actually i think 90% is understatement. a terran got no reason not to block ramp. maybe we can ask other fellow terrans for their opinion. kai, jeff, greenwood, echo, geney, me we are all terrans

and 3.30, theres no way the rax is still building, a 12 rax finishes at 2.45 unless your opponent dont even know how to execute a 12 rax...or going for 14 CC first.

for ZvZ im saying against 14 pool, not 6 pool.
12 rax finish at 2.45 sec true but you need to add time build 1 marines. 1 marines cant stop 8 ling unless you pull all the SCV for all out attack which could result slowing your resources and break your timed build.
I did play ladder, not much difference from custom game except the ladder require you to wait until they find an opponent for you which i really cant wait 3 mins or more. At least custom, you can see people waiting for you .. Weeeeeeeeeeeee.. Looks like a lot of people using terrens now days.

ZvZ.. Who ever mass speedling the most is the winner. Usually fast.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 30 2011, 12:56 PM)
if you play terran or even play against terran more often in ladder, you will notice its not 50% chance block, its 90% block, actually i think 90% is understatement. a terran got no reason not to block ramp. maybe we can ask other fellow terrans for their opinion. kai, jeff, greenwood, echo, geney, me we are all terrans

and 3.30, theres no way the rax is still building, a 12 rax finishes at 2.45 unless your opponent dont even know how to execute a 12 rax...or going for 14 CC first.

for ZvZ im saying against 14 pool, not 6 pool.
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how could u left me out????

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post Nov 30 2011, 03:43 PM

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seriously, the early 8ling thing is totally stupid when u reach gold lvl and above (for 1v1): -
- as protoss: i could open with forge FE (15nexus variant) and hold a 6pool with ease. the standard gateway timing + chrono on zeal (protoss scout on 9 in PvZ) would still be quick enuff to hold this. i even hold 2 zergs 6pooling me when i didnt wall using standard gate timing by jz mineral-walk + stop/ hold micro and chroning zeal.
- as terran: u would usually wall. even if i dun wall, i would scout it if i open with the double maka-rax/ boxer bunker rush.
- as zerg: if i open 14/15 pool, by the time ur ling reaches, i would have my pool up and once again my lings are otw to hold it off leaving me wit a drone advantage + momentum from my better larvae management

the reason is simple (applicable to 1v1 only): that 8 lings at the worst possible pool timing early game set the zerg so far behind in the early game that unless i die outright (which wont happen if u are experienced enuff to handle it), my snowball advantage will roll u over mid game with any possible timing push i can think of... zergs need the momentum which the bad pool timing jz mess up so much together wit the larvae spending...

QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 30 2011, 12:38 PM)
10 minutes a good 2 base tech zerg will normally have 4 gas chamber, 40-50 drones, 3 queens 3 hatch. but even as good as IMnestea or losira, they can only have muta OR infestor...i've yet to seen 10 min Broodlord....maybe we can play 1 day ^^
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we all know 10min BLs = 3-4 BLs with non existence upgrades and supporting units and they would jz die to any proper harassment/ timing attack b4 10min

i think no terran in their right set of mind would let the zerg scott free for 10 whole minute even when doing MVP's triple CC build...

there are a few things that new players need to learn: -
- rushing tech on limited economy is bad such as 1 base muta. even i hate going 1 base colosus so much due to the big timing window which i could be punished by a decent opponent and the lack of supporting units


Added on November 30, 2011, 3:47 pm
QUOTE(TruthHurts @ Nov 30 2011, 01:37 PM)
12 rax finish at 2.45 sec true but you need to add time build 1 marines. 1 marines cant stop 8 ling unless you pull all the SCV for all out attack which could result slowing your resources and break your timed build.
I did play ladder, not much difference from custom game except the ladder require you to wait until they find an opponent for you which i really cant wait 3 mins or more. At least custom, you can see people waiting for you .. Weeeeeeeeeeeee.. Looks like a lot of people using terrens now days.

ZvZ.. Who ever mass speedling the most is the winner. Usually fast.
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ppl on ladder play seriously and are usually better...
i nvr take custom games seriously unless it is those training with my clanmates...


Added on November 30, 2011, 7:10 pmboxer jz did the same build he used in codeA: speed reaper hellion medivac

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 30 2011, 07:10 PM
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post Nov 30 2011, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 30 2011, 03:43 PM)
seriously, the early 8ling thing is totally stupid when u reach gold lvl and above (for 1v1): -
Honestly & seriously, I don't like the style u talk in the forum. U talk as if you are so superior by trying to talk other ppl down. These guy are just newbie and come here to ask for opinion. You can just flame me whatever you want later but I just think this is not the correct attitude for a senior forummer to talk like this?
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post Nov 30 2011, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Nov 30 2011, 07:19 PM)
Honestly & seriously, I don't like the style u talk in the forum. U talk as if you are so superior by trying to talk other ppl down. These guy are just newbie and come here to ask for opinion. You can just flame me whatever you want later but I just think this is not the correct attitude for a senior forummer to talk like this?
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check the zerg thread...
every1 been telling him that and now he come to a terran thread and does the same?
so have u ever asked ur lecturer/ supervisor a question and then jz insist u are right even when u know u are the least knowledgable and experienced one?

sry, rather than troll him like most of u are doing and ask him for games jz to beat him, i rather just cut the chase and tell him directly...
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post Nov 30 2011, 08:41 PM

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ok, i admit i was trolling him because it seemed fun.

anyway truthhurts, 1 marine can win 100 lings if he is behind the wall. because marine is range, zergling is melee. not too sure if you can grasp the logic :?

sometimes, truth hurts.
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Well well, looks like this evofantasy talk like a boss of SC2 but yet he didnt even win at the FXO. Walk the talk boy, i can see you already talk like a pro but cant win the tourney.
No wonder SC2 in Malaysia didnt make to the top. Retards like you are always pressing people. Hey Pro, go win a tournement, you make yourself sound stupid without a title on your belt.

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 30 2011, 08:41 PM)
ok, i admit i was trolling him because it seemed fun.

anyway truthhurts, 1 marine can win 100 lings if he is behind the wall. because marine is range, zergling is melee. not too sure if you can grasp the logic :?

sometimes, truth hurts.
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fuuuu at the pun at the end thumbup.gif

QUOTE(TruthHurts @ Nov 30 2011, 08:44 PM)
Well well, looks like this evofantasy talk like a boss of SC2 but yet he didnt even win at the FXO. Walk the talk boy, i can see you already talk like a pro but cant win the tourney.
No wonder SC2 in Malaysia didnt make to the top. Retards like you are always pressing people. Hey Pro, go win a tournement, you make yourself sound stupid without a title on your belt.
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real classy whistling.gif
i guess u can ignore artosis/ day9 etc since they never won a single tournament for sc2

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post Nov 30 2011, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 30 2011, 08:41 PM)
ok, i admit i was trolling him because it seemed fun.

anyway truthhurts, 1 marine can win 100 lings if he is behind the wall. because marine is range, zergling is melee. not too sure if you can grasp the logic :?

sometimes, truth hurts.
Yup, thats my name... Truth hurts. Breaking people using mind game is fun.Even evo lose to my super troll skill. You notice i troll.. +1 for you, you are smart quest. That shows evo thinks he so pro, if hes serious with the SC2, he could have win the recent FXO tourney.
Look like he cant even keep his cool in simple theads, no wonder he lose in tourney, ppl troll him.

Sometimes, you need to mess with your opponent mind. than his strats, like what happen with Idra. whistling.gif
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post Dec 1 2011, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(Timber2k7 @ Nov 30 2011, 10:35 PM)
truthhurts
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thats why cant accept the truth...
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i cant even get top8 at any local tourney~ aaaaaaaa sux to be me

i dun wan comment on terran thread liao~ i dun hav any title around my belt

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post Dec 1 2011, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Dec 1 2011, 08:43 AM)
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i cant even get top8 at any local tourney~ aaaaaaaa sux to be me

i dun wan comment on terran thread liao~ i dun hav any title around my belt
Local tourney ? Who win the FXO btw ?

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QUOTE(TruthHurts @ Dec 1 2011, 12:42 PM)
Local tourney ? Who win the FXO btw ?
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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Dec 1 2011, 08:43 AM)
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i cant even get top8 at any local tourney~ aaaaaaaa sux to be me

i dun wan comment on terran thread liao~ i dun hav any title around my belt
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sup' son?
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QUOTE(Timber2k7 @ Nov 30 2011, 10:35 PM)
truthhurts
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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Dec 1 2011, 08:43 AM)
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i cant even get top8 at any local tourney~ aaaaaaaa sux to be me

i dun wan comment on terran thread liao~ i dun hav any title around my belt
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Not winning a tourney is actually not that big of a deal, a correct attitude is what we demand in this forum. You walk the talk, certainly you will receive alot of respect. why sux to be you? Is good to be you la
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 1 2011, 02:43 PM)
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Not winning a tourney is actually not that big of a deal, a correct attitude is what we demand in this forum.  You walk the talk, certainly you will receive alot of respect. why sux to be you? Is good to be you la
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but i dun hav any title around my belt to give comment~ very bad~ sad.gif
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post Dec 1 2011, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Dec 1 2011, 03:59 PM)
but i dun hav any title around my belt to give comment~ very bad~ sad.gif
At least your not a stuck up as evofantasy(who thinks he's a pro), ill +1 in your respect.



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