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 The Zerg Strategy v1.0, Cheer for the overmind!

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Sichiri
post Mar 25 2012, 03:11 PM

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I outmacro'ed him, denied his third, but then he pushes out and roflstomp my army, then my base.

and you can't basetrade a terran. lol

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post Mar 25 2012, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Mar 25 2012, 03:11 PM)
I outmacro'ed him, denied his third, but then he pushes out and roflstomp my army, then my base.

and you can't basetrade a terran. lol
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brood lord are pretty much your only shot at fighting mech unless ur damn good with your ling/ultra/infestor. and thats assuming he didnt mass tanks like a b**** with level 3 weapons doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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post Mar 29 2012, 07:14 PM

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The key is actually not brood lord only, but brood lord infestors. Infestor control must be good, to get good positioning, get Terran at a bad position where brood lord's long range can be exploited....

Anyway, here is Day9's explanation on why Ultralisks Ling Infestor is good - They're mobile enough to defend expansions, which usually BLs cannot do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yi7zoB8FAk...720FUAAAAAAAGAA
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post Mar 30 2012, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Mar 25 2012, 03:11 PM)
I outmacro'ed him, denied his third, but then he pushes out and roflstomp my army, then my base.

and you can't basetrade a terran. lol
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How were your upgrades and how many bases were you running compared to his third?
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post Apr 1 2012, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(yuvster @ Mar 30 2012, 08:07 PM)
How were your upgrades and how many bases were you running compared to his third?
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lost the replay. But its okay man, I already knew why i lost.

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post Apr 1 2012, 07:45 AM

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So long time i no see this theads. Anything new ? Strats still the same ?

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post Apr 1 2012, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(TruthHurts @ Apr 1 2012, 07:45 AM)
I AM THE ZERG !!!

So long time i no see this theads. Anything new ? Strats still the same ?
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Got new tactic.. See Protoss going some cheeeep tactics like cannon rush and DT.. RQ...
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post Apr 1 2012, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(yuvster @ Apr 1 2012, 11:32 AM)
Got new tactic.. See Protoss going some cheeeep tactics like cannon rush and DT.. RQ...
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That is old tactics.. first wave lings can ruin their economy. and if they start to cheap cannon rush .. block it by creep spawn by dear queenie.
Spread creep like butter on a toast ..yeahhhhhhh...



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post Apr 2 2012, 01:12 AM

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Ultralisks are cool vs T again, Mutas are less popular vs P now compared to ling/infestor or roach ling/hydra is optional when P goes heavier on air. I don't think the late game composition of BL infestor will change until HoTS... Even with Archon Toilet...
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QUOTE(xcen @ Apr 2 2012, 01:12 AM)
Ultralisks are cool vs T again, Mutas are less popular vs P now compared to ling/infestor or roach ling/hydra is optional when P goes heavier on air. I don't think the late game composition of BL infestor will change until HoTS... Even with Archon Toilet...
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You should watch Day9's replay analysis of Stephano's playstyle for ZvP.. It's not exactly the way I think fitting to my playstyle but does show you the rough idea on how it works.. smile.gif
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post Apr 9 2012, 11:19 PM

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http://replayfu.com/download/GGDK4d

He's so mad. tongue.gif

http://replayfu.com/download/3T1Zcm

ffe vs 6 pool (lol)

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post Apr 16 2012, 03:14 PM

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Hey do you guys usually put some spore crawlers in your base just in case they rush banshee or phoenix?
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post Apr 16 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Apr 16 2012, 03:14 PM)
Hey do you guys usually put some spore crawlers in your base just in case they rush banshee or phoenix?
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i hug buddha legs when i see banshee flying
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post Apr 16 2012, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 16 2012, 03:23 PM)
i hug buddha legs when i see banshee flying
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Then how you counter them? Muta or hydra?
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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Apr 16 2012, 03:44 PM)
Then how you counter them? Muta or hydra?
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build spore (or seer if i not being completely lazy wanna use it) bring queen
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post Apr 16 2012, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Apr 16 2012, 03:14 PM)
Hey do you guys usually put some spore crawlers in your base just in case they rush banshee or phoenix?
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usually u can scout this out...

in ZvP, when they go phoenix, spore is the best way to answer it while u keep droning up behind with some queen support as you are quite safe from an attack for some moment...
hydras are pretty bad vs phoenix btw and mutas are too slow for u to get the count high enuff (u need to pop like 10 mutas together)...
ling infestors are a good solution...

in ZvT there is the new banshee expand build into a timing attack which is scary...
again, u would wanna defend with queens and spores due to the same reason above (hydras fail in ZvT and muta are too slow to get early on)...
hold on until u get enuff resource for mutas...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Apr 16 2012, 04:13 PM)
usually u can scout this out...

in ZvP, when they go phoenix, spore is the best way to answer it while u keep droning up behind with some queen support as you are quite safe from an attack for some moment...
hydras are pretty bad vs phoenix btw and mutas are too slow for u to get the count high enuff (u need to pop like 10 mutas together)...
ling infestors are a good solution...

in ZvT there is the new banshee expand build into a timing attack which is scary...
again, u would wanna defend with queens and spores due to the same reason above (hydras fail in ZvT and muta are too slow to get early on)...
hold on until u get enuff resource for mutas...
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what would you use hydras for then?
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post Apr 16 2012, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 16 2012, 04:12 PM)
build spore (or seer if i not being completely lazy wanna use it) bring queen
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I see, I see. For now, I always make spores. 4 for main base and 4 more for 2nd base.


Added on April 16, 2012, 5:33 pm
QUOTE(evofantasy @ Apr 16 2012, 04:13 PM)
usually u can scout this out...

in ZvP, when they go phoenix, spore is the best way to answer it while u keep droning up behind with some queen support as you are quite safe from an attack for some moment...
hydras are pretty bad vs phoenix btw and mutas are too slow for u to get the count high enuff (u need to pop like 10 mutas together)...
ling infestors are a good solution...

in ZvT there is the new banshee expand build into a timing attack which is scary...
again, u would wanna defend with queens and spores due to the same reason above (hydras fail in ZvT and muta are too slow to get early on)...
hold on until u get enuff resource for mutas...
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Well actually besides putting spores to defend , I was thinking instead of going for muta or hydra, might as well make some banelings and put them in to my overlords and fly it to their base and bomb their workers. brows.gif Cheaper than making mutas

Terran players now very scare liao. Put so many turrets all over their base. Flying my mutas in there also hard ler.


I'm still new to sc2. ZvT for me is ok. I can manage.

The problem now is ZvP. I gotta watch out for so many things. The most bloody annoying thing is mass stalker/sentry.

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post Apr 16 2012, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Apr 16 2012, 05:27 PM)
I see, I see. For now, I always make spores. 4 for main base and 4 more for 2nd base.


Added on April 16, 2012, 5:33 pm

Well actually besides putting spores to defend , I was thinking instead of going for muta or hydra, might as well make some banelings and put them in to my overlords and fly it to their base and bomb their workers. brows.gif Cheaper than making mutas

Terran players now very scare liao. Put so many turrets all over their base. Flying my mutas in there also hard ler.
I'm still new to sc2. ZvT for me is ok. I can manage.

The problem now is ZvP. I gotta watch out for so many things. The most bloody annoying thing is mass stalker/sentry.
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2 enuf per mineral line if its for detection only, 3 (+1 spine, dt's/festors lol) if you're completely lazy and rely solely on spore/queen (like me, lol.)
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 16 2012, 04:23 PM)
what would you use hydras for then?
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mostly to just stop gateway all-ins or roach-hydra timings (include the nydus to ur natural's front variant)...
other than tat, hydras are pretty bad =.=

QUOTE(lopo90 @ Apr 16 2012, 05:27 PM)
I see, I see. For now, I always make spores. 4 for main base and 4 more for 2nd base.


Added on April 16, 2012, 5:33 pm

Well actually besides putting spores to defend , I was thinking instead of going for muta or hydra, might as well make some banelings and put them in to my overlords and fly it to their base and bomb their workers. brows.gif Cheaper than making mutas

Terran players now very scare liao. Put so many turrets all over their base. Flying my mutas in there also hard ler.
I'm still new to sc2. ZvT for me is ok. I can manage.

The problem now is ZvP. I gotta watch out for so many things. The most bloody annoying thing is mass stalker/sentry.
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spores and extra queens are the best way to hold early on without overcommiting...
besides more queen = creep highway...

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