The Zerg Strategy v1.0, Cheer for the overmind!
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 Nov 4 2010, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Nov 4 2010, 12:12 PM) Is muta + roach a good combo? not enuff gas to support muta/ roach...p/s Just got promoted, so touched T_T although it's just plat.. still feels like I'm playing bronze level, macro and micro both got screwed up  |
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Nov 4 2010, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 4 2010, 12:18 PM) not enuff gas to support muta/ roach... My macro slips up and I have 3k gas with 100 minerals >< |
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Nov 4 2010, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Nov 4 2010, 12:19 PM) My macro slips up and I have 3k gas with 100 minerals >< lol then go for it...when i'm zerg usually i lack gas badly... i'll throw down extra hatch jz to burn my minerals on lings... |
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Nov 4 2010, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Nov 3 2010, 05:02 PM) But if you invest too much on mutas against Terran and a thor pops out... good luck yeah i learned my lesson the other day. over confident with mutas.every other game that i overwhelmed or had mutas harassing, it's a sure win but this guy was better than what I've played against so far.  a few placed turrets, some vikings and more marines pumped. i can't hit much.suddenly THOR come out and i still have no roach / hydra structure yet. GG already. lings and muta how to fight thor + mm + viking combo? |
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Nov 4 2010, 02:02 PM
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thor with small number is no match against muta.. thor with marine is more headache that you usually requires some baneling to rape their marine 1st..
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Nov 4 2010, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Nov 4 2010, 12:12 PM) Is muta + roach a good combo? grats. generally it may not be a good combo because roach do take up some minor gas and teching roach speed or even burrow/burrow movement would hinder mutalisk production.p/s Just got promoted, so touched T_T although it's just plat.. still feels like I'm playing bronze level, macro and micro both got screwed up however if you do sort it out, you have a formidable ground and air force at the same time. Added on November 4, 2010, 2:27 pm QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 4 2010, 01:26 PM) yeah i learned my lesson the other day. over confident with mutas. magic box it. but if marine number is significant, mutas alone wont cut it. need mutaling or mutaling + baneling and/or infestor playsevery other game that i overwhelmed or had mutas harassing, it's a sure win but this guy was better than what I've played against so far. a few placed turrets, some vikings and more marines pumped. i can't hit much.suddenly THOR come out and i still have no roach / hydra structure yet. GG already. lings and muta how to fight thor + mm + viking combo? This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 4 2010, 02:27 PM |
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Nov 4 2010, 05:37 PM
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if you still problem to understand magicbox, this video helps alot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68H8FeZHkWg |
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Nov 4 2010, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 4 2010, 01:26 PM) yeah i learned my lesson the other day. over confident with mutas. The main objective of muta is to keep terran contained while you macro up units that counter units they produced to repel your muta. Usually you will get a decent amount of roaches and banelings by the time terran pushes out. I would also make only a few mutas if terran has heavy anti-air (mind-games)every other game that i overwhelmed or had mutas harassing, it's a sure win but this guy was better than what I've played against so far. a few placed turrets, some vikings and more marines pumped. i can't hit much.suddenly THOR come out and i still have no roach / hydra structure yet. GG already. lings and muta how to fight thor + mm + viking combo? |
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Nov 4 2010, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 4 2010, 12:18 PM) not enuff gas to support muta/ roach... 4 gas is required to pump a steady numbers of mutas with queen larva non stop with some spare gas for roach/hydraQUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 4 2010, 01:26 PM) yeah i learned my lesson the other day. over confident with mutas. tech to banes, see them meltevery other game that i overwhelmed or had mutas harassing, it's a sure win but this guy was better than what I've played against so far. a few placed turrets, some vikings and more marines pumped. i can't hit much.suddenly THOR come out and i still have no roach / hydra structure yet. GG already. lings and muta how to fight thor + mm + viking combo? I learned the hard way that every terran match must at least have a banes nest or roach warden. Either one |
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Nov 4 2010, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Nov 4 2010, 07:20 PM) 4 gas is required to pump a steady numbers of mutas with queen larva non stop with some spare gas for roach/hydra if done rite, u wont have gas for roach/ hydra...tech to banes, see them melt I learned the hard way that every terran match must at least have a banes nest or roach warden. Either one getting roach without speed is really bad when u are getting mutas (thus more gas for roach speed)... likewise hydra without range (and of course overlord speed) this is why muta-ling is so popular... by the time ur spire finish, u should have 800-900 gas to pump 8 mutas + air upgrade at the same time... u would be off 2 mining hatch and a 3rd hatch for constant speedling production... for u to get roach/ banes/ hydras, u would need to halt ur muta production... |
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Nov 4 2010, 08:25 PM
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How would u rate the importance of following upgrade
1. OL speed 2. Roach Speed 3. Spire air attack 4. Burrow 5. Evolution chamber upgrade |
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Nov 4 2010, 08:27 PM
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Do you guys think that Bliz will do something about the magic box?
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Nov 4 2010, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Nov 4 2010, 08:27 PM) Do you guys think that Bliz will do something about the magic box? no cause its not a bug...it existed in sc1 as well for easier casting... QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Nov 4 2010, 08:25 PM) How would u rate the importance of following upgrade if u go roach u need roach speed for sure, burrow after that...1. OL speed 2. Roach Speed 3. Spire air attack 4. Burrow 5. Evolution chamber upgrade if u go mutaling u need the air attack lvl 1 (for the splash) and armor lvl 1 for ur ling (so they take an extra hit from upgraded zealot or siege tanks)... OL speed is nt needed if u go mutaling... |
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Nov 5 2010, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 4 2010, 08:31 PM) OL speed is nt needed if u go mutaling... Or you suspect they're going cloacked/burrow units |
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Nov 5 2010, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Nov 5 2010, 03:38 PM) Or you suspect they're going cloacked/burrow units hmm i'm nt so sure about this but i think overseer have enough default speed to keep up with them rite (not banshee for sure though) |
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Nov 5 2010, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 5 2010, 04:33 PM) hmm i'm nt so sure about this but i think overseer have enough default speed to keep up with them rite (not banshee for sure though) Nope having a hard time to chase banshee or run around the map |
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Nov 5 2010, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Nov 5 2010, 05:24 PM) Nope having a hard time to chase banshee or run around the map i hate banshee lol...and the marine opening ala foxer is pretty good vs zerg (i random so when i get terran vs zerg i do this)... quite a risk to go hatch before pool in close position now... |
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Nov 11 2010, 05:03 PM
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if this is asked already then I'm sorry, but on a ZvZ mu how do you deal with enemy cheesing you with 6pools?
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Nov 11 2010, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(kei_86 @ Nov 11 2010, 05:03 PM) if this is asked already then I'm sorry, but on a ZvZ mu how do you deal with enemy cheesing you with 6pools? Always and always when against zerg I had the tendency to scout at the 7th supply. Then do a quick spine rush. |
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Nov 11 2010, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(kei_86 @ Nov 11 2010, 05:03 PM) if this is asked already then I'm sorry, but on a ZvZ mu how do you deal with enemy cheesing you with 6pools? it's pretty hard unless u go for early scout or go for latest pool timing would be overpool or earlier...14 pool stil can defend it but risky if they include spines or a good macro (keep making lings without delay)... regarding banshee, nowadays i alwiz go for 3 queens when i have 2 hatch due to phobia against this...lolz usually they came wif hellions 1st....after tat followed by banshee...then expand or mm...really aggressive  |
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