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Tctf
post Oct 20 2010, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Oct 20 2010, 02:45 PM)
I thought mass ultras/lings > thor ball? ala Fruitdealer
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ur units must ultras, 3+2 armor attack 0 also nvm, ling 3armor 3 attack upgrade speed move & attack.
then can fight.

or should said ultras must 5armor then strong, if 0 armor, thor can own kite it like paper.
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post Oct 20 2010, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(mollymurder @ Oct 20 2010, 10:54 AM)
evofantasy,are u free tonite? wanna have a friendly match ? best of 3

im currently in plat..wanna learn more from pros
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nt sure depending on my work as i have a meeting tomorrow >.<

QUOTE(Sichiri @ Oct 20 2010, 02:45 PM)
I thought mass ultras/lings > thor ball? ala Fruitdealer
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that game the ultralisk was bugged with imba cleave...
he deserve to loose that match...
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post Oct 20 2010, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Tctf @ Oct 20 2010, 02:38 PM)
YA, thor attack aoe, all my hydra die..
zerging worse. die faster. due with low hp
if without air support & ultralist. will it against this 5~6 thor + few mm push?
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i believe u are joking right now. is it?
thor ground never aoe, so as a diamond, i believe u are joking. the way said it.

NP also gain ability that unit have like 250MM Canon Thor afaik right?
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post Oct 20 2010, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Oct 20 2010, 11:50 AM)
Storm doesn't stack? omg.. swt i didn't know that
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not it doesn't lol...
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post Oct 20 2010, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Tctf @ Oct 20 2010, 02:57 PM)
ur units must ultras, 3+2 armor attack 0 also nvm, ling 3armor 3 attack upgrade speed move & attack.
then can fight.

or should said ultras must 5armor then strong, if 0 armor, thor can own kite it like paper.
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i REALLY want to see that happen. w
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post Oct 20 2010, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 20 2010, 03:14 PM)
i REALLY want to see that happen. w
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*select thor*
*right click s right click s right click s*
Thor : DUDE, I HAVEN'T MOVED YET OK?
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post Oct 20 2010, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Oct 20 2010, 03:30 PM)
*select thor*
*right click  s right click  s right click  s*
Thor : DUDE, I HAVEN'T MOVED YET OK?
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Thor: LET ME GET BACK INTO THE FIGHT!
Thor: LETS GO.............
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post Oct 20 2010, 03:46 PM

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As number of thor increases with ultra, ultra start losing the advantage being focus fired.. Most people would say try not to let terran to get that amount of thor in first place
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post Oct 20 2010, 03:50 PM

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nydus nydus i love nydus..
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post Oct 20 2010, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Oct 20 2010, 03:46 PM)
As number of thor increases with ultra, ultra start losing the advantage being focus fired.. Most people would say try not to let terran to get that amount of thor in first place
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roaches > thor...
roaches are in fact the best counters to thor due to their mobility (especially with speed) and cheap cost compared to thors...
focus firing can drop a thor so fast...

and are u nuts to kite wit a thor sleep.gif?
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post Oct 20 2010, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Oct 20 2010, 04:15 PM)
roaches > thor...
roaches are in fact the best counters to thor due to their mobility (especially with speed) and cheap cost compared to thors...
focus firing can drop a thor so fast...

and are u nuts to kite wit a thor sleep.gif?
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haha thor kiting a... maybe thor vs queen offcreep see who is faster
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post Oct 20 2010, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Oct 20 2010, 04:18 PM)
haha thor kiting a... maybe thor vs queen offcreep see who is faster
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i remember in 3v3 between my frens...
a fren of mine kite my teamamte's BC using thor...
went pretty well until yamato flies at his thor LOL!


Added on October 20, 2010, 4:24 pm
QUOTE(Tctf @ Oct 20 2010, 02:38 PM)
YA, thor attack aoe, all my hydra die..
zerging worse. die faster. due with low hp
if without air support & ultralist. will it against this 5~6 thor + few mm push?
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thor fact: -
- they dun have aoe so mass army balls > it (cost effective units like lings and roaches)
- they tend to overkill so mass small units reduce their eDPS (lings)
- they move damn slow so try to flank them / runby (lings/ roaches/ burrow thingy)
- they usually cant be massed up that easily so 3-4 infestors NP-ing some of the thors help immensely
- they have high health so do not baneling em (though its damn tempting)

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 20 2010, 04:24 PM
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post Oct 20 2010, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 20 2010, 03:38 PM)
Thor: LET ME GET BACK INTO THE FIGHT!
Thor: LETS GO.............
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Ultra: Grrrrrr...

Click Thor: I am wasting away here!!!!!!

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post Oct 20 2010, 05:39 PM

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[quote=evofantasy,Oct 20 2010, 04:15 PM]roaches > thor...
roaches are in fact the best counters to thor due to their mobility (especially with speed) and cheap cost compared to thors...
focus firing can drop a thor so fast...

and are u nuts to kite wit a thor sleep.gif?
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erm, kite should said kill/own.
lolz.
btw roaches can kill thor but need many... so in term of resource vs resource is not worth.


Added on October 20, 2010, 5:43 pm
thor fact: -
- they dun have aoe so mass army balls > it (cost effective units like lings and roaches)
- they tend to overkill so mass small units reduce their eDPS (lings)
- they move damn slow so try to flank them / runby (lings/ roaches/ burrow thingy)
- they usually cant be massed up that easily so 3-4 infestors NP-ing some of the thors help immensely
- they have high health so do not baneling em (though its damn tempting)
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- ya them dun aoe but once upgraded is yes.
- said 1thor need 20ling to kill, let said got 5thor how many lings needed? 100? i dont think is actual added up, due with location, mico, etc factor..
- they move slow, so as tank. once it near ur base = GG!
- if their tech is yes lor. (as i said dont hv infestors)
- ur are right, there have high hp, i never do baneling agaist the giant.


Added on October 20, 2010, 5:52 pm[quote=thejols,Oct 20 2010, 03:08 PM]
i believe u are joking right now. is it?
thor ground never aoe, so as a diamond, i believe u are joking. the way said it.

NP also gain ability that unit have like 250MM Canon Thor afaik right?
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hehe. my diamond is luck only. haha
btw, i own others before their tech to tier 3 most of the time.
but last night lose to a terran which manage to tech 3-4 thor, btw in early game i baneling break the entrance, but cant go in further get the scv only. then 2nd wave i MASS hydra, he 3-4 thor come.. then i gg. sad.gif sad.

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post Oct 20 2010, 06:27 PM

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there's a reason why baneling bust is known as an all-in...
if u fail, u die
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post Oct 20 2010, 06:35 PM

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i'm currently using 1 base push nydus rush ZvT / ZvP...
it's quite effective especially with higher level players where they usually don't scout their whole base.
At the 6th minute your nydus is ready to go and swarm hundrends of lings..
but must prepare 1 or 2 spore crawlers in case opponent do air rush..
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post Oct 20 2010, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(hazairi @ Oct 20 2010, 06:35 PM)
i'm currently using 1 base push nydus rush ZvT / ZvP...
it's quite effective especially with higher level players where they usually don't scout their whole base.
At the 6th minute your nydus is ready to go and swarm hundrends of lings..
but must prepare 1 or 2 spore crawlers in case opponent do air rush..
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i dun think u need to 1 base as zerg nw...
wit roach buff, u can 2 base and still be the aggressor with ease...
the roach shut down all of the harassment by ground (prepare for cloak banshee which is why i go faster lair - roach speed needs lair as well)
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post Oct 20 2010, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Oct 20 2010, 06:37 PM)
i dun think u need to 1 base as zerg nw...
wit roach buff, u can 2 base and still be the aggressor with ease...
the roach shut down all of the harassment by ground (prepare for cloak banshee which is why i go faster lair - roach speed needs lair as well)
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hehe, my macro is damn bad to do an early expansion.. the only time i can win is by concentrating with only 1 base and do early all-out push.. tongue.gif

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post Oct 20 2010, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(hazairi @ Oct 20 2010, 06:43 PM)
hehe, my macro is damn bad to do an early expansion.. the only time i can win is by concentrating with only 1 base and do early all-out push.. tongue.gif
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go 2 base roach spamzzzzzzzz
trust me its super effective =p
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post Oct 20 2010, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Oct 20 2010, 06:58 PM)
go 2 base roach spamzzzzzzzz
trust me its super effective =p
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until air or anti roach army comes. seriously, the meta game these days: scout for early gas. if yes, prepare to early robo/tech lab the shit outta ur T. do another scan/scout attempt. if see roach warren, IMMORTAL/RAUDER SPAM LOL -> profit

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