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Investment KINRARA RESIDENCE [OWNERS' THREAD], Lifestyle landed homes from Mah Sing

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post Dec 16 2011, 10:20 AM

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Just to share, Jalil City is bout to launch, this piece of 60 acres land (larger than the entire Mid Valley City) is another huge city, an interchanged has been proposed to link to Sirim, which is only 3KM fr KR / Bandar Kinrara. This project will boost the properties in vicinity area. An drafted master plan for Jalil City...


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samuelazz
post Dec 16 2011, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Dec 16 2011, 10:10 AM)
Lake Edge and Kinrara Residence is in the same league, offering almost the similar products, fair to compare. Bandar Kinrara has it's clear advantage in terms of product quality, location and land tenure, quite hard to compare.
On paper, there is no way KR match Kinrara Qaseh superlink...
Qaseh - Freehold / Better Quality / Better Location / Better land size - 24'x80 / 26'x80 / 30'x80'
KR - Modern facade / Enhanced security / Club house facility

In recent years, due to changed in lifestyle, buyers' needs & buying behavior also change simultaneously, you may say all the qualities possessed by Qaseh is the best, but when you compare the sales figure and market response of both project, it tells everything, KR with negative feature of Leasehold, lousy quality, remote location, over pricing.... is the clear winner.
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when mah sing is selling at the price 6 months back probably still can sell (>rm300k diff). now with the price and poor quality i do not think it is selling well. please check the last row of palmiera and ambrosia. mah sing thinks they can just increase price and people will buy. so they will test the market and if still take up rate is slow i am sure they will be rebates and upgrades. smile.gif

clear winner? not sure yet...
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post Dec 16 2011, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(samuelazz @ Dec 16 2011, 11:32 AM)
when mah sing is selling at the price 6 months back probably still can sell (>rm300k diff). now with the price and poor quality i do not think it is selling well. please check the last row of palmiera and ambrosia. mah sing thinks they can just increase price and people will buy. so they will test the market and if still take up rate is slow i am sure they will be rebates and upgrades. smile.gif

clear winner? not sure yet...
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When you compare, do compare the same category, becoz the purchaser falls into the same budget category..
Dun compare
Apple to orange..
condo to landed..
bungalow to SD..
SD to link house..

Qaseh is Superlink house, just compare to KR 3-storey, otherwise never end the debate

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post Dec 16 2011, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Dec 16 2011, 12:11 PM)
When you compare, do compare the same category, becoz the purchaser falls into the same budget category..
Dun compare
Apple to orange..
condo to landed..
bungalow to SD..
SD to link house..

Qaseh is Superlink house, just compare to KR 3-storey, otherwise never end the debate
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Qaseh Superlink lower price , freehold, better quality materials, bigger build-up and land size - KR good facade + clubhouse (small / inadequate facility)... seems KR has got look only (from outside seems good but inside no substance) shakehead.gif

Initially I thought MS was at the equal standard as other big name (ytl, sime darby) ... I think comparing Lake Edge was valid as they do have 2 phases of super link (24 x 85, 22 x 100)... not sure about other project, but just comparing Lake Edge with KR, MS seems out of the league (value for money / price, quality, clubhouse, you name it) rclxub.gif Check http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1883923/+260 and see what we get for paying a mil for a link house vmad.gif mad.gif
Go to ytl lake edge site or iproperty and search for lake edge pavillion, their layout / floor plan, facade, concept, material ... Though asking price now is higher compare KR .... man cry.gif regret man o man sux sux @#%$$& (if only i knew)

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QUOTE(vevex @ Dec 16 2011, 02:23 PM)
Qaseh Superlink lower price , freehold, better quality materials, bigger build-up and land size - KR good facade + clubhouse (small / inadequate facility)... seems KR has got look only (from outside seems good but inside no substance) shakehead.gif

Initially I thought MS was at the equal standard as other big name (ytl, sime darby) ... I think comparing Lake Edge was valid as they do have 2 phases of super link (24 x 85, 22 x 100)... not sure about other project, but just comparing Lake Edge with KR, MS seems out of the league (value for money / price, quality, clubhouse, you name it)  rclxub.gif  Check http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1883923/+260 and see what we get for paying a mil for a link house  vmad.gif  mad.gif 
Go to ytl lake edge site or iproperty and search for lake edge pavillion, their layout / floor plan, facade, concept, material ... Though asking price now is higher compare KR .... man  cry.gif  regret man o man sux sux @#%$$& (if only i knew)
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not too late, quickly go and buy now tongue.gif
Now regret..
2 yrs later, regret regret...
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post Dec 16 2011, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Dec 16 2011, 03:26 PM)
not too late, quickly go and buy now  tongue.gif
Now regret..
2 yrs later, regret regret...
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Spend here alr. Where got xtra
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post Dec 16 2011, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(vevex @ Dec 16 2011, 03:37 PM)
Spend here alr. Where got xtra
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KR not bad, at least not like Lake Edge, too near to high tension cable, mining land some more . smile.gif

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post Dec 16 2011, 07:11 PM

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I am surprised so many who bought KR never even visited Lake Edge before. It is wise to see what your money can buy before you sign the dotted line. When we were looking for a house to stay, we try to visit at least 2 houses a week just to see if others match what we have in mind before committing......


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QUOTE(twins9 @ Dec 16 2011, 07:11 PM)
I am surprised so many who bought KR never even visited Lake Edge before.  It is wise to see what your money can buy before you sign the dotted line.  When we were looking for a house to stay, we try to visit at least 2 houses a week just to see if others match what we have in mind before committing......
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So, which one you buy?

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post Dec 16 2011, 08:05 PM

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None, because both sides JAM! I bought elsewhere...


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post Dec 16 2011, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Dec 16 2011, 12:11 PM)
When you compare, do compare the same category, becoz the purchaser falls into the same budget category..
Dun compare
Apple to orange..
condo to landed..
bungalow to SD..
SD to link house..

Qaseh is Superlink house, just compare to KR 3-storey, otherwise never end the debate
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hmm...if you look at my earlier post i only spoke about semi d. you brought up the link house. so you are confusing the matter and comparing different animal.

i cut your post because i only commented your statement of clear winner which i do not agree. i also mentioned on my statement that i only compare semi d quality of KR vs I&P. I did not compare qaseh therefore i am not sure why you mentioned qaseh! smile.gif


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QUOTE(vevex @ Dec 16 2011, 02:23 PM)
Qaseh Superlink lower price , freehold, better quality materials, bigger build-up and land size - KR good facade + clubhouse (small / inadequate facility)... seems KR has got look only (from outside seems good but inside no substance) shakehead.gif

Initially I thought MS was at the equal standard as other big name (ytl, sime darby) ... I think comparing Lake Edge was valid as they do have 2 phases of super link (24 x 85, 22 x 100)... not sure about other project, but just comparing Lake Edge with KR, MS seems out of the league (value for money / price, quality, clubhouse, you name it)  rclxub.gif  Check http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1883923/+260 and see what we get for paying a mil for a link house  vmad.gif  mad.gif 
Go to ytl lake edge site or iproperty and search for lake edge pavillion, their layout / floor plan, facade, concept, material ... Though asking price now is higher compare KR .... man  cry.gif  regret man o man sux sux @#%$$& (if only i knew)
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bought wrongly really sucks. doh.gif

I THINK MAH SING SHOULD RESPONSE BY GIVING SOMETHING VALUE ADDED TO COMPENSATE EVERYONE thumbup.gif



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post Dec 16 2011, 10:21 PM

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For sure Lake Edge is much more better than KR in almost all aspects, except the access in/out consider horrible!!!
Otherwise it won’t be so many empty houses awaiting for sale! Owner there are crying & suffering of crazy jam…and hope to escape from there!
If you are interested to join them, consider the issue seriously & don’t regret later…!

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post Dec 16 2011, 11:18 PM

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Puchong main road jam is really no joke nowadays, regardless of time.

Jalan Bukit Jalil is also quite jam in the morning rush hour.


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QUOTE(samuelazz @ Dec 16 2011, 08:55 PM)
hmm...if you look at my earlier post i only spoke about semi d. you brought up the link house. so you are confusing the matter and comparing different animal.

i cut your post because i only commented your statement of clear winner which i do not agree. i also mentioned on my statement that i only compare semi d quality of KR vs I&P. I did not compare qaseh therefore i am not sure why you mentioned qaseh! smile.gif

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Interesting....
You dun seems getting my point hmm.gif

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post Dec 17 2011, 01:19 PM

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Interesting....
You dun seems getting my point hmm.gif
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I think you're the missing the point here. Not mean to offense - just trying to clear up things. samuelazz was always referring to semi Ds. He quoted your earlier post particularly on the clause you mentioned "clear winner" (KR vs Qaseh). About the winner(s), we need to look at 2 main stakeholders (developer, include contractor / supplier, etc; and purchases). So the comparison :

Developer
MS KR - sell faster, much bigger margin (clear winner as you mentioned)
I&P Qaseh - sell slower but still will reach sold out, maybe lesser margin (maybe loser)

Purchaser
KR - lease hold, modern facade, clubhouse, low quality material (...mm)
I&P Qaseh - freehold, bigger build up, bigger land size, better quality materials (...mm)


on the purchaser end, there's no clear winner but lean towards I&P Qaseh in long run (freehold with substance) if KR material and club house is as-is(leasehold with out look only)... Purchaser is paying more for a lease hold property but getting less even in terms of material used. The comparison also apply to Semi D. As a KR purchaser myself, of course I want to hold firm and find all positive aspects in supporting my choice.... but as I said, I just can't deny...

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QUOTE(vevex @ Dec 17 2011, 01:19 PM)
I think you're the missing the point here. Not mean to offense - just trying to clear up things. samuelazz was always referring to semi Ds. He quoted your earlier post particularly on the clause you mentioned "clear winner" (KR vs Qaseh). About the winner(s), we need to look at 2 main stakeholders (developer, include contractor / supplier, etc;  and purchases). So the comparison :

Developer
MS KR - sell faster, much bigger margin (clear winner as you mentioned)
I&P Qaseh - sell slower but still will reach sold out, maybe lesser margin (maybe loser)

Purchaser
KR - lease hold, modern facade, clubhouse, low quality material (...mm)
I&P Qaseh - freehold, bigger build up, bigger land size, better quality materials (...mm)
on the purchaser end, there's no clear winner but lean towards I&P Qaseh in long run (freehold with substance) if KR material and club house is as-is(leasehold with out look only)... Purchaser is paying more for a lease hold property but getting less even in terms of material used. The comparison also apply to Semi D. As a KR purchaser myself, of course I want to hold firm and find all positive aspects in supporting my choice.... but as I said, I just can't deny...
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Oklah, since you guys are sooo sensitive bout the word "clear winner", let me explain wat I mean by "winning''
Fr the very beginning, when TMS priced SD for 1.32 min, 3-storey 908K, mkt generally perceived it as over priced bcoz it is leasehold. Did I say KR provides better quality? did I say KR location better? Did I say leasehold better than freehold? No right? hmm.gif
I had made my statement very clear that KR is not in the same league with Bdr Kinrara but more similarity product features with Lake Edge. Fr many observers (including me), there is no way KR will beat I&P Kinrara which possess 3 golden features which are FREEHOLD, BETTER LOCATION & BETTER QUALITY.
It is not a fair game to compare KR with Bdr Kinrara BK 8 or Oasis SD or QASEH Superlink in the very beginning. The selling price of Bdr Kinrara is indeed very fair but the outcome of the sales results isn't encouraging, KR as claimed by many forummers is veryyy expensive has achieved a very encouraging sales. Imagine the SD price has increased fr 1.3 mil to 1.7 mil (which I think a bit over price also), but TMS still manage to sell, wat does it signify? How many projects can increase 25% for the similar phase and still able to capture potential buyer?
To me, it is like a badminton women single plays with men single, if the game is draw, we must say that the women is indeed performing better than the men.
One very experience Valuer told me last year September, KR sure fail one as it will be easily beaten by Freehold Kinrara house, no one will buy leasehold for this kind of "crazy price". He admitted that his prediction was wrong lately.
In short, TMS understands the actual market needs and apply a very successful marketing strategy to tap the demand. wink.gif

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post Dec 17 2011, 09:36 PM

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Oklah, since you guys are sooo sensitive bout the word "clear winner", let me explain wat I mean by "winning''
Fr the very beginning, when TMS priced SD for 1.32 min, 3-storey 908K,  mkt generally perceived it as over priced bcoz it is leasehold. Did I say KR provides better quality? did I say KR location better? Did I say leasehold better than freehold? No right? hmm.gif
I had made my statement very clear that KR is not in the same league with Bdr Kinrara but more similarity product features with Lake Edge. Fr many observers (including me), there is no way KR will beat I&P Kinrara which possess 3 golden features which are FREEHOLD, BETTER LOCATION & BETTER QUALITY.
It is not a fair game to compare KR with Bdr Kinrara BK 8 or Oasis SD or QASEH Superlink in the very beginning. The selling price of Bdr Kinrara is indeed very fair but the outcome of the sales results isn't encouraging, KR as claimed by many forummers is veryyy expensive has achieved a very encouraging sales. Imagine the SD price has increased fr 1.3 mil to 1.7 mil (which I think a bit over price also), but TMS still manage to sell, wat does it signify? How many projects can increase 25% for the similar phase and still able to capture potential buyer?
To me, it is like a badminton women single plays with men single, if the game is draw, we must say that the women is indeed performing better than the men.
One very experience Valuer told me last year September, KR sure fail one as it will be easily beaten by Freehold Kinrara house, no one will buy leasehold for this kind of "crazy price". He admitted that his prediction was wrong lately.
In short, TMS understands the actual market needs and apply a very successful marketing strategy to tap the demand.  wink.gif
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hmm..i guess mah sing is good at packaging. good facade, good DIBS scheme but when buyer starts to analyse they will feel that mah sing is overcharging and shortchanging the customers.

example, when you see a nice pretty gal you have have the "wow" factor but when you get to know her closer you may find the faults that you missed. i would describe mah sing properties as such.

anyway everyone is entitled to their opinion. for me i feel MAH SING SHOULD AT LEAST LISTEN TO BUYERS AND NOT SHORT CHANGE THEM! AT LEAST GIVE THE OWNERS BETTER FLOORING AND DOORS! tongue.gif

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post Dec 17 2011, 09:37 PM

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Exactly the point, ms is the winner in kr ... Not the purchaser. I guess it is about expectations. If one pay a higher price for lease hold, for me I would expect better quality. But for some (maybe inc you as I interpret), would expect something less and ok with it. Then again I notice you start confusing yourself now by saying we can't compare kr with qaseh now. You were clear putting them under the same spot just few days ago and then stating something like apple vs orange while referring qaseh link vs kr link are of the same breed .... Pening
Being the winner like you noted, MS Kr sells well even at its high price while bandar kinrara fair price is not doing justice. While they r making so much extra now, purchaser is not benefited especially when the finished product completed. MS can boast about now, imagine after getting your house with those lousy materials and you try to sell. MS is no longer running the show. Anyone know crap when they see them. Have u seen the link I shared before? Crap man. And if u try to resell, your potential will go ohmy.gif


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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Dec 17 2011, 01:52 PM)
Oklah, since you guys are sooo sensitive bout the word "clear winner", let me explain wat I mean by "winning''
Fr the very beginning, when TMS priced SD for 1.32 min, 3-storey 908K,  mkt generally perceived it as over priced bcoz it is leasehold. Did I say KR provides better quality? did I say KR location better? Did I say leasehold better than freehold? No right? hmm.gif
I had made my statement very clear that KR is not in the same league with Bdr Kinrara but more similarity product features with Lake Edge. Fr many observers (including me), there is no way KR will beat I&P Kinrara which possess 3 golden features which are FREEHOLD, BETTER LOCATION & BETTER QUALITY.
It is not a fair game to compare KR with Bdr Kinrara BK 8 or Oasis SD or QASEH Superlink in the very beginning. The selling price of Bdr Kinrara is indeed very fair but the outcome of the sales results isn't encouraging, KR as claimed by many forummers is veryyy expensive has achieved a very encouraging sales. Imagine the SD price has increased fr 1.3 mil to 1.7 mil (which I think a bit over price also), but TMS still manage to sell, wat does it signify? How many projects can increase 25% for the similar phase and still able to capture potential buyer?
To me, it is like a badminton women single plays with men single, if the game is draw, we must say that the women is indeed performing better than the men.
One very experience Valuer told me last year September, KR sure fail one as it will be easily beaten by Freehold Kinrara house, no one will buy leasehold for this kind of "crazy price". He admitted that his prediction was wrong lately.
In short, TMS understands the actual market needs and apply a very successful marketing strategy to tap the demand.  wink.gif
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QUOTE(vevex @ Dec 17 2011, 09:37 PM)
Exactly the point, ms is the winner in kr ... Not the purchaser. I guess it is about expectations. If one pay a higher price for lease hold, for me I would expect better quality. But for some (maybe inc you as I interpret), would expect something less and ok with it. Then again I notice you start confusing yourself now by saying we can't compare kr with qaseh now. You were clear putting them under the same spot just few days ago and then stating something like apple vs orange while referring qaseh link vs kr link are of the same breed .... Pening
Being the winner like you noted, MS Kr sells well even at its high price while bandar kinrara fair price is not doing justice. While they r making so much extra now, purchaser is not benefited especially when the finished product completed. MS can boast about now, imagine after getting your house with those lousy materials and you try to sell. MS is no longer running the show. Anyone know crap when they see them. Have u seen the link I shared before? Crap man. And if u try to resell, your potential will go ohmy.gif


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Oklah...I better stop now, otherwise you muntah I susah.
I hv both Kinrara and KR house, either one superior will make me a winner he..he tongue.gif
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post Dec 17 2011, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Dec 17 2011, 10:14 PM)
Oklah...I better stop now, otherwise you muntah I susah.
I hv both Kinrara and KR house, either one superior will make me a winner he..he tongue.gif
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Same here, but as purchaser, I paid considerably low before for kinrara and now the value appreciated well. In the past, for the price, it met my expectations. But KR sweat.gif ... again maybe my expectation too high? More than a mil for lease hold link house (with low / missing substance)?

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