Hi. Need some GUIDANCE here. I just booked a 2.5 storey in the remaining bumi-released. I was rushing at it because afraid all will be taken up. Was very happy and googled on some info right after... but got concerned after seeing some of the posts here.

I came to know Mah Sing after seeing the Garden Residence in Cyberjaya; then went to their impressive launching in Kinrara Residence. Was very tempted to get a unit then but 3storey was already priced close to 1Mil (can't afford). Then this 2.5 storey bumi released priced RM888,800.... thought I should push all my way. All hype-up, I book this unit, blindly confirm everything (having full confidence in Mah Sing).

So, after seeing this thread and knowing about past Mahajaya who bought at RM5++k, I have few concerns about its deliveries, and hopefully some of you sifu here can share some valid info:
* if initial price at less than 1 year ago can be as low as 60% of current, will we get substandard value in material used and workmanship
* as far as I know, only 3 storey comes with solar, acond refrigrant piping (not sure what this is), water booster, water filter and intercom; any other difference besides the visible clay brick and sand brick used?
* what about tiles? handles along stairs? sanitary wares and water taps? 3 phase wiring / single phase? no. of lighting points internal / external, fan, acond/piping? cheap flush doors for rooms and bathrooms? Window glass and frames used? workmanship details (rounded edged of stair case steps, properly flatten flooring, roofs and walls, complete and well-aligned floor skirting, etc)

The list may be long... RM 900k is a lot to me (maybe not for the 3storeys and Semi Ds owner). For the premium at my limit, I don't expect getting some standard installed used in Mahajaya old phases. I am really hoping that Mah Sing live up to standard even to compensate to previous Mahajaya buyer (whether upgrade / non-upgrade) as they took over the project and relaunch it at RM818k. So the deliveries of the project should be as Mah Sing own launched intend (not MahaJaya).

I am really hoping to get some positive inputs here. Thanks

Hi super911. Thanks for the swift reply. You bought Kinrara Residence as well? Which type? If 3 storeys, less worry. Do you have the specification on wiring phase, floor finishing / skirting, doors, electrical points, etc.? Other buyers who signed S&P? Pls share. I am really concern still....

That is not exactly right. Renovation is of course but if it required the change even to replace all sanitary wares (basin and toiletry), tiling, rendering, it will will cost even more than their Semi Ds. That's not the case for 3 storeys and semi Ds if finishing is according to their show unit. Would any phase 2B owner share some thoughts? Thanks.

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Added on September 4, 2011, 11:03 amAny Phase 2B Owner comments?

This post has been edited by vevex: Sep 4 2011, 11:03 AM

Hi, questions about the SnP (3 sty superlink):
the document is only stating air cond point (i can't find statement about piping / refrigrant as termed in brochures), is developer obligated to provide that?

Hi I went last weekend. Also received call from the lawyer name Eddie earlier.
My case, 2 agreements and 1 letter of consent.

1. Sales and Purchase Agreement (SPA) 3Sty SuperLink - you know what this is
2. Mutual Covenant - regarding terms for guarded community, renovation restrictions (building colour scheme, hacking, etc), community rules (parking, accessibility, etc.)
3. Consent letter - regarding guarded community - to agree to appoint MS as organizer for fencing and hire guards... (didn't notice if there's clause about maintenance of surroundings)

All fee the above borne by MS. Purchaser is to bear loan agreement fee (if applicable).

I note few things in SPA:
* Centrex Intercom system not stated within SPA but stated in the 2nd doc
* Air cond point did stated within SPA but not refrigerant piping

The "sold-called" enhanced features for 3SSL (regarding warranty period):
* home alarm system warranty period 1 yr stated in 2nd doc
* Solar water system (not stated)
* Centralised Water Filter (not stated)
* Water booster pump (not stated)
* Centrex intercom (not stated)

I checked with Sales Agent, answer was that the rest was covered under building warranty period (2 years upon handover of keys). I came to know that at least Solar water system if installed by direct supplier, buyer gets 10 years warranty....

I signed all the documents anyway.

Hi Antzfield,

Hope I can answer your questions here:
1. This is for all (2Sty, 2 1/2Sty, 3Sty) renovation restrictions: I did look at the clauses pretty carefully myself, trying to see if structure extension is prohibited - I find none (so, I guess it's fine eventhough it does stated that renovation floor plan must be submitted to management for approval). However, if you're thinking of extending the back... I actually went in the site and checked out actual build-up... some unit's back (3Sty) are pretty much close to max (may be as of now without fencing up, I can tell for sure...). Car porch should be ok. Colour scheme, gates, fencing are all stated clearly: Restricted (grille as well if owner choose to install)

2. For 3SSL only, centralized solar water heater is provided by developer (I think for bath room only, excluding maid's).
You can google 'Solar water heater' for more info. In short, it is like hotel with the handle to control water heat / temperature by turning left / right (you can see clearly in their show unit bath rooms). Please note that the water heater point is also provided (visibly in empty show unit as well), so you can always install a separate heater if you prefer (have no info about Msia, but it does occur in some other countries with limited sun light seasonally, solar water heater need to be substituted with dedicated electric water heater).

3. Stamp duty and MOT are taken cared by MS (yes, I left out the MOT which I did signed last week).
For those who may ask, MOT (Memorandum of Transfer) is something like for transfering of Individual title to buyer.

Hope this help. Thanks for asking

I learn from earlier posts in this forum. Semi-Ds and Bangalow is having DIBS. The link houses (2sty,2.5sty,3sty) all don't have.
DIBS means during construction bank interest is beared by developer. To bank, the loan is still the same in terms of collection - instead of collecting interest from buyer, they collect from developer. All MS panel bank in Kinrara Residence is entitled.

I may just chip in here. kalsa / clay cheaper ? Like some mentioned, depending on quality / grade either may top each other. Though compare the similar grade, clay should never cost "lot" more as stated. And I've never heard of "red kalsa" could well be something new that I'm not aware of. It will be a study of civil engineering - materials if this were to drag on.... Here are few points (not about cost or anything):

It's about materials and abide by their characteristic and "physicality" of the built (stop at this depth). I did looked through some civil materials (specifically on bricks) sometime back when this topic was brought up some months back. Some civil engineer here may back me on this?

* About having them bared (no plaster / outer coating) Kalsa (if applied correctly) result better in terms of out look, strength and durability - reason (uniform shape, uniform hardness inside out). Real engineering fact: Kalsa are used as building support in situation like piling restriction or harden earth surface. Factual they provide better fortifying structure than clay. This is because after laying effect of clay (expand) is harder to be estimated comparably, and we are referring to every single brick

* Having coating / plaster - not much difference between clay / kalsa but the after laying characteristic (clay expand, kalsa shrink) does make a difference... remember the first point about Kalsa (if applied correctly)

About may be some lame fact. But here's my observation from my study:
When Kalsa is in used, workmanship is utmost important - thickness of plaster / cement between bricks, moist / dampness. I learn that Kalsa is less forgiving to error ratio. While clay need to be somewhat wet, the laying work are less skilled-intense.

So, we are seeing a lot of Indon and we know they are the ones putting up those bricks...

But, I learn something new from my site visit last week. But I'll share all my 3 visits (particularly about built walls and prepared to-be-used bricks are piled in front of houses):

1st visit (1.5months ago): 2sty and 2.5 sty are using mixture of sand and kalsa (mostly sand), 3sty using mixture clay and kalsa mostly clay. and the clay bricks are high grades - visibly dark orange complexion and very even shape considerably.

2nd visit (some 3wks ago): 2sty and 2.5 remain, 3sty: mixture of previous seen high grade clay plus low grade ones on some recent build walls, plus a lot of kalsa piled in front of houses (without a single clay pile)

3nd visit (some 10 days ago): 3sty: the kalsa are gone???? piles of clay brick (high grades) in front of houses??? I was told by the SA the kalsa has been shift to Garden Residence, Cyberjaya (which during the conversation, they said GR is always having higher grade materials and kalsa was moved in KR because of sudden short of clay in market, same case applied to Semi-Ds in KR - using clay as well, saw few units wall up, they are clay). Thought GR price is lower (some more freehold and much bigger build-up) but they said land cost cheaper...

Whatever... personally, I like to think Kalsa to be superior "on paper" - but I feel slightly more at peace if clay is used...

Nice. Care to share where it's made and some info about it's composition? For which phase / project will it be used for if approved?
Thanks.

Hi Karas, thanks for asking. Too bad I didn't bring camera, I did post some on my first visit (if you just browse back this thread). Recent ones exterior not much changes visibly just more walls and some with initial layer paint coated. The interior has more progress though especially in phase 2b with room partition up (bed room, bath room and all).

Something doesn't add up though with relate to recent posts about the split level extended staircase in 2.5sty. Even during my first visit, the extension was already done up in few units front-row facing main road (think your unit)... so, it may not be as "so mentioned" by Mahsing: request by purchaser,.. but that could also be the case since 2.5 was alr 80% sold long ago...

About my unit... I'll PM you.

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Sorry, I just realized the photo was posted in "Kinrara Residence - Link Houses" thread, not this one.

This post has been edited by vevex: Nov 2 2011, 11:20 AM

Hi,

I went in last Sunday as well (short while, just went to the row where my unit is) the entire row fully Kalsa (not just party)...
And one other thing I notice during my visit (as shown in one of samuelC's photo), the roof support. They are using wood , I saw the Qaseh project: they are using something like aluminium / steel frame. Any one have some comments on this? (in terms of differences in durability, pro/con, or maybe the rational in choosing the materials).


And, count me in on Sat gathering. Though I need to leave 9:30am. So, just to establish first contact. Will PM liang7524 my number.

Even locals may give issues: haven't heard enough stories? ...Security guards leaking info about empty house routine then gang up with their connections to really "empty" the house. Being guards, they are the ones knowing your daily in / out routines. Being locals, they are having more local connections and resources to pull off the job...

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Added on November 13, 2011, 4:42 pmWe can always negotiate on the terms in order to satisfied both parties. Even if it end-up down to money, with 800 tenants, there's always possibility to work out something fair to get things done. They are charging RM50 for the clubhouse. Imagine what can be done with RM50x800 monthly. Close to half mil yearly: you can't expect a cramp gym, can you?

This post has been edited by vevex: Nov 13 2011, 04:42 PM

Who? 100 - 60 = 40 , simple maths, right?

I agree - fully supporting Covillea who maintained the list and now liang7524 who's firming things up. Calling upon all buyers to join in. Just PM you email, name, contactno, unit no to liang7524

At least, we can have commitment among ourselves and "pre-amp" on ones expectations and group interests.

This post has been edited by vevex: Nov 14 2011, 04:01 PM

I saw their site, all SemiD are at 3.5 sty. What's the launching price? Where did you see their materials used / specs ?

My 2cents, looking at built quality, may depend on "luck". Though, reputable developer less prone to problem, but still even KLCC has problem, right?
And, Talam, more units have problem. But some buyers got away without hassle. Whether MS or I&P, both well-known, both carries good and bad comments.

So, I think maybe you should consider what you like rather than concerning something you can't control. Choose by (location, free / lease, built-up, budget, look and feel). Desiran, try your luck - walk into one (I got in one unlock unit - look n see..., think it's ok). I just dislike the location... facing a row of older terrace. Qaseh, I think pretty good deal (freehold, big built-up and land area choices(if not mistaken): 24x80, 30x90), good location higher ground with even / flat level. Dislike, remain unit facing west. KR, like: modern facade, location (further from main road but not too far), dislike: leased hold, uneven ground level.

This post has been edited by vevex: Nov 22 2011, 10:31 AM

the mix Mahsing and Mahajaya facade are only amongst 2sty and 2.5sty. 3sty all standard same with their show unit

Think he talking about corner unit.

Hi, after a chat with Liang on phone, I've just made amendments to the memorandum and replied all. Please review again. I think Liang should keep the latest copy. So, if you didn't receive mail on this, pls PM me or get from Liang. Thanks Liang, for all the hard work.

This post has been edited by vevex: Nov 28 2011, 02:12 PM

Not just any free acond, the living and dining area are ceiling mounted type - neat