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ihsan
post Nov 21 2010, 02:59 AM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Nov 20 2010, 07:29 PM)
see this line quoted from business times
However, the company was reluctant to commit on any specific figure when asked on the minimum speed of the service.

"Because of various factors, it's hard to guarantee on speed. If it's super crowded, it will (still) degrade ... but we will stand behind our promise to deliver three to five times faster the speed you currently have on 3G," said Wing.

He also gave the assurance that he has a team of people monitoring the stations and would allocate extra capacity when necessary.
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What a way with words. Degraded yet faster than 3g?

At least have some spine lah to commit minimum numbers. You don't fricking spent millions building infrastructure only to be non-committal on your delivery. This is nothing short of a cop out answer. I would expect those expensive suits that you pay to build & operate the network would have some intelligent ideas on the minimum level of service you can provide but i guess i was wrong.

If you can't commit then don't provide service lah. What are your customers paying for then? A chance to get a hold on one of those novelty huddle boxes?

Only gullible people fall for these type of marketing clowns.

Oh well, we can always wait for the complaints to appear next week. Maybe mcmc can knock some sense into them when the piles of angry mobs start descending.

This post has been edited by ihsan: Nov 21 2010, 03:06 AM
solarmystic
post Nov 21 2010, 08:28 AM

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LOL Ihsan... never thought you and ipohbee would be on the same side on anything to do with the telecommunications companies...

Anyway, this venture seems like its doomed from the beginning...
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post Nov 21 2010, 08:45 AM

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maybe i could shared my thought on this 4G thingy.

pre-reg few week back, checked the map coverage... wow.. strongest coverage area, then went and purchase the huddle and activate on the spot yesterday.. took 3 hours to wait and wait and pay and activate. freakily packed up, and lack of customer representative at lot 10.

was told required 3 hrs to get my account ready. tried yesterday night around 11pm+, no go.

this morning, check the FAQ pdf downloaded fr yes.my (finally it's up), it stated if the huddle blinking with red, mean out of coverage!

wtf?? login to yes.my using my pre-reg ID, no go... cannot be found... wtf?!

paid for the 1.2k package, and i'm going to sentral for a refund later!
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post Nov 21 2010, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(ihsan @ Nov 21 2010, 02:59 AM)
What a way with words. Degraded yet faster than 3g?

At least have some spine lah to commit minimum numbers. You don't fricking spent millions building infrastructure only to be non-committal on your delivery. This is nothing short of a cop out answer. I would expect those expensive suits that you pay to build & operate the network would have some intelligent ideas on the minimum level of service you can provide but i guess i was wrong.

If you can't commit then don't provide service lah. What are your customers paying for then? A chance to get a hold on one of those novelty huddle boxes?

Only gullible people fall for these type of marketing clowns.

Oh well, we can always wait for the complaints to appear next week. Maybe mcmc can knock some sense into them when the piles of angry mobs start descending.
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3G is a very general term, there are two ways he can interpret this:

1. If it's comparing with the oldest 3G theoretical speed (not HSPA), it would only be 1-2 Mbps.
2. If it's comparing with the lowest speed 3G can get in the commercial network, it would be around 50-100kbps.

So the 3 to 5 times faster can be from 250 kbps or 10 Mbps subject to interpretation.

A lot of people will misinterpret him of saying the current 3G HSPA which is 14.4 Mbps, and 5x equals to 70Mbps.

This guy knows how to use words ... make it vague so that he no one can quote him of committing anything.

He knows congestion will happen eventually and he doesn't want to commit to it. He can only show you now you can get 8-10Mbps, what will happen after is none of his business.


QUOTE(amdx @ Nov 21 2010, 08:45 AM)
maybe i could shared my thought on this 4G thingy.

pre-reg few week back, checked the map coverage... wow.. strongest coverage area, then went and purchase the huddle and activate on the spot yesterday.. took 3 hours to wait and wait and pay and activate. freakily packed up, and lack of customer representative at lot 10.

was told required 3 hrs to get my account ready. tried yesterday night around 11pm+, no go.

this morning, check the FAQ pdf downloaded fr yes.my (finally it's up), it stated if the huddle blinking with red, mean out of coverage!

wtf?? login to yes.my using my pre-reg ID, no go... cannot be found... wtf?!

paid for the 1.2k package, and i'm going to sentral for a refund later!
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As I posted previously, the coverage map on their website is not correctly defined. The coverage might not be as big.
Hope you can refund, if not ... do let the forumers know.
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post Nov 21 2010, 09:17 AM

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post Nov 21 2010, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(dxlethal86 @ Nov 21 2010, 09:17 AM)
YES is broadband tech (WiMAX) not LTE.

LTE uses fiber optics. Nobody is using LTE yet in msia
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LTE is a wireless broadband technology, what do you mean by using fiber optics?
UNIFI uses fiber optics.

There is no such thing as wireless fiber optics.
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post Nov 21 2010, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(dxlethal86 @ Nov 21 2010, 09:17 AM)
YES is broadband tech (WiMAX) not LTE.

LTE uses fiber optics. Nobody is using LTE yet in msia
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Oh my, at least take an effort to check things first before posting..

Anyway the real 4G standard endorsed by ITU are:
1) LTE Advanced (if it is just "LTE" without "Advanced", then it is pre-4G standard)
2) WIMAX2 or WirelessMAN Advanced (if it is just "WIMAX" without "2", "Advanced", then it is pre-4G standard)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/itu-lay...veryone-else-i/
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Why do you guys says its expensive? If you used 3GB or so per month, it comes up around the same as Digi Smart Plan, without a phone to offer that is.

But for those who like to torrent or download (F)HD movies, of course gonna die lar. For mobility, I dont think you guys will download these OTG?
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who cares "what-G" they are as long as u get the Super-Duper Truckloads of REAL Usable Mbps... tongue.gif

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post Nov 21 2010, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(deodherion @ Nov 21 2010, 09:28 AM)
LTE is a wireless broadband technology, what do you mean by using fiber optics?
UNIFI uses fiber optics.

There is no such thing as wireless fiber optics.
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UNIFI is NOT always Fibre. In condos, its VDSL. only to landed properties (residential homes) is on fibre.

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post Nov 21 2010, 10:53 AM

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when the bankrupt AMAX launch their service at least the website was working properly... how many customers would they have day 1? 100? 1000? even 10k subsribers in a day, thats not a lot to manage... celcom, maxis have more than 500k subs, tm have 1.5mil subs....
YES YTL sucks...

QUOTE(solarmystic @ Nov 20 2010, 11:10 AM)
So much hype for nothing.

Worse product launch ever since.... well i don't know.. most of the others started okay until people started joining en masse, THEN they complain kaw kaw......

YES is crap from day 1 it seems lol...
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post Nov 21 2010, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(eclectice @ Nov 21 2010, 09:47 AM)
Oh my, at least take an effort to check things first before posting..

Anyway the real 4G standard endorsed by ITU are:
1) LTE Advanced (if it is just "LTE" without "Advanced", then it is pre-4G standard)
2) WIMAX2 or WirelessMAN Advanced (if it is just "WIMAX" without "2", "Advanced", then it is pre-4G standard)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/itu-lay...veryone-else-i/
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LTE is missing some few requirement standard thus not qualifying for full 4G. Advanced LTE fixed those missing requirements.

QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Nov 21 2010, 10:39 AM)
who cares "what-G" they are as long as u get the Super-Duper Truckloads of REAL Usable Mbps... tongue.gif
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Yes it does matter. One is by misleading people as people will think since it's 4G, it must be the successor of 3G hence can easily be used by mobile devices such as phones although that is not true. This '4G' claims is actually WiMax and only a few phones exists in this world that can use it. If it is the real 4G aka Advanced LTE, support will come naturally as new phones comes out (that is once it gets ratified). LTE also is much faster since it's the latest generation with peak download speed of at least 1Gb/s.
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exentric_nova, you're missing the point here; what really matters is that the consumer gets the high bandwidth of speed and quality. All these "4G" hype are nothing but marketing buzzwords thrown around by Telcos to window-dress and prep up their new services. Just IMO.

If you can remember not to long ago, izzi.net ( the folks from Penang ) were already trumpeting "4G" with their proprietary Kyocera solution.

For that matter, there is really no official definition of whats "3G" either. The proper term as accepted by ITU and GSMA/3GPP would be "W-CDMA" or "UMTS", as compared to (Qualcomm's) IS-95, CDMA2000 and its EV-DO revisions, etc etc and other similar standards.

But in any case, if debates on whats 4G or whats not makes you happy, by all means, please carry on. I sometimes do enjoy a good bowl of alphabet soup as well. But at the end of the day, I'd go for the real "Mbps" over anything, any day.
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9sen per minutes for voice calls? That's tempting.. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(fenzodahl512 @ Nov 21 2010, 11:27 AM)
9sen per minutes for voice calls? That's tempting..  unsure.gif
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No Way this can be a primary voice usage..
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Am I blinded by this picture?

I'll give it a try once the device is available.. I mean just for the voice calls only..

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icon_rolleyes.gif Just received from the CEO Office....read it please to understand more regarding non access to their web site.....so please be a little patient for the little hiccups......bear it with them please....thank you all for your understanding. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif



thumbup.gif ATTACHMENT ENCLOSED TOO.....



Dear Yes customers,



We started Yes with the determination to bring positive change to the people of Malaysia.



Right out of the bat, the response has been fantastic. Many have said β€œyes” and they are giving us positive reviews, validating our claim to deliver 3 – 5 times the speed of 3G.



The response to our www.yes.my portal has been tremendous. However, we are acutely aware that some customers are having issues accessing www.yes.my. This is due to a series of hostile attacks from third parties. On top of legitimate customer traffic, this has seriously degraded the performance of our portal.



I am pleased to report, however, that our Yes 4G network remains unaffected by these attacks.



While we work to drive positive change for Malaysia, sadly, it seems this vision is not entirely shared by some elements.



Our team, along with our operations partner, Cisco, is putting in a measured response to restore the service level of our portal as quickly as possible. We expect this situation to improve in the next 2 – 3 hours.



At this time, customers are encouraged to finalize their Yes registration and purchase the Yes service at our Stores at Lot 10 Shopping Centre and KL Sentral in addition to our IT Partner centres.



We trust you will join us as agents of positive change, against these odds. As we said yesterday at our launch, as a new company we will continue to learn and grow. And our www.yes.my portal will emerge stronger and better.



We will work to earn your trust. Thank you for your support.



Best regards,




Wing K. Lee

CEO, YTL Communications

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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 21 2010, 02:22 AM)
The business model is good by going for people who are not "heavy users". However it will totally fail. Because nobody monitor or know how to monitor their internet usage. Of course people will go for those with unlimited usage that use subtle rules to block out heavy users in the fair usage policy. Cause Malaysians only see what's laid out in front of them.
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I think you can palce a "cap" on your usage somyou don't go overboard.

QUOTE(ihsan @ Nov 21 2010, 02:59 AM)
Oh well, we can always wait for the complaints to appear next week. Maybe mcmc can knock some sense into them when the piles of angry mobs start descending.
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If MCMC had any sense, HSBB wouldn't have been given to TM in the first place.
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QUOTE(citigold78 @ Nov 21 2010, 10:53 AM)
when the bankrupt AMAX launch their service at least the website was working properly... how many customers would they have day 1? 100? 1000? even 10k subsribers in a day, thats not a lot to manage... celcom, maxis have more than 500k subs, tm have 1.5mil subs....
YES YTL sucks...
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They claim it's DDOS attack meaning someone is not happy with YES.
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QUOTE(deodherion @ Nov 21 2010, 01:32 PM)
They claim it's DDOS attack meaning someone is not happy with YES.
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icon_rolleyes.gif Yes, brother deodherion, maybe because YES is bringing to us Malaysians a charge of ONLY 9 CENTS for voice call. thumbup.gif Wheres other telcos are charging the sky when you make a voice call from your telco to other telcos. whistling.gif Maybe, well just maybe, they just don't want to see us Malaysian enjoying cheaper rates as it will EAT INTO THEIR PROFITS.......AFTER MALAYSIA IS VERY CROWDED FOR MORE TELCOS TO OPERATE. whistling.gif No competition means more profits. whistling.gif


wink.gif Just my 2 cents worth. icon_rolleyes.gif



wub.gif Cheers brother deodherion...you have a great lazy Sunday too. rclxm9.gif

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