i heard that 'chinese' hate manchu people and say they are not 'chinese'. why? what make 'chinese' chinese? they have the same color skin, slanted eyes, ching chong language oso.
why 'chinese' hate manchu?, but they use mandarin
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Han chinese hate the manchu chinese
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manchu is wat?
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 11 2010, 04:52 PM) Han chinese hate the manchu chinese i don understand... y? they not 'chinese' enuf?learn your history, indianman  |
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i dun like manchu ppl oso...like last time my great great great great grandfather see manchu ppl trus kill on spot
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manchu is with pigtail, whereas HAN is without it
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because they are mongol ching chong
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manchun conquear the china before, as it was the last dynasty of china
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QUOTE(yeezai @ May 11 2010, 04:55 PM) i dun like manchu ppl oso...like last time my great great great great grandfather see manchu ppl trus kill on spot wow... y so hateQUOTE(abbychan87 @ May 11 2010, 04:55 PM) manchu is with pigtail, whereas HAN is without it stail ok... but that doesnt mean u can hate themQUOTE(strace @ May 11 2010, 04:56 PM) because they are mongol ching chong what mongol? they speak mandarin oso |
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宁可我负天下人,绣叫天下人负我!
 anyway... go learn china history if you're really interested. not bad wad the history, very interesting...  |
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manchurian = bad guys
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now no more hate also, that is long ago history
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anyone care to story the history?
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u heard this from who?
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QUOTE(abbychan87 @ May 11 2010, 04:57 PM) manchun conquear the china before, as it was the last dynasty of china so china (han) never conquer la?QUOTE(don^don @ May 11 2010, 04:58 PM) 宁可我负天下人,绣叫天下人负我! but china change the history.... they said manchuria is theirs, but manchuria is the one who invade them, and mongol, and tibet, and 2 more country i dont rmmbr... they only want to justify their action on tibet and others that in the power of manchurian bfore, when manchu want to make manchu country, manchukuo they said its japa puppet country... y so evilanyway... go learn china history if you're really interested. not bad wad the history, very interesting... This post has been edited by PVCpipe: May 11 2010, 05:05 PM |
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manchu ppl last time is dog to the emperor ...follow blindly without thinking..where han ppl all got brain and try to overturn manchu but unsuccessful coz wong fei hung last time lost battle to bruce lee
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like ip man vs hong fist la ..
I'm chinese, I like machu ... machu and han dont differentiate now de.. btw, hokkien ckt wins!! |
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manchus are uncultured barbarians.
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The Manchu people (Manchu: Manjui gisun.svg Manju; simplified Chinese: 满族; traditional Chinese: 滿族; pinyin: Mǎnzú, Mongolian: Манж, Russian: Маньчжуры; Fuzhou dialect: 旗下囝 Kì-hâ-giāng (IPA: [ki˨˩ a˥˧ iaŋ˧]) are a Tungusic people who originated in Manchuria (today's northeastern China). During their rise in the seventeenth century, with the help of the Ming dynasty rebels (such as general Wu Sangui), they came to power in China and founded the Qing Dynasty, which ruled China until the Xinhai Revolution of 1911, which established a republican government in its place.
The Manchu ethnicity has largely been assimilated with the Han Chinese. The Manchu language is almost extinct, now spoken only among a small number of elderly people in remote rural areas of northeastern China and a few scholars; there are around ten thousand speakers of Sibe (Xibo), a Manchu dialect spoken in the Ili region of Xinjiang. In recent years, however, there has been a resurgence of interest in Manchu culture among both ethnic Manchus and Han. The number of Chinese today with some Manchu ancestry is quite large,[4] and the adoption of favorable policies towards ethnic minorities (such as preferential university admission, government employment opportunities and exemption from the one child policy) has encouraged some people with mixed Han and Manchu ancestry to re-identify themselves as Manchu. |
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it is long past....
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3 kingdom is han dynasty right?when i was like 12 y o i always watch chinese drama on tv3 err 6 pm if im not mistaken and always watch how the han want tp restore han dynasty from the manchu
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FAIL TOPIC
TS dont even know what is manchurians |
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tats like ... 300++ years ago Qing dynasty started
now u cant find 1 manchurian bcos after the end of the Qing dynasty their language completely lost , they all speak mandarin and they change their traditional long long surname to han chinese surnames |
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The Qing Dynasty (Chinese: 清朝; pinyin: Qīng Cháo; Wade-Giles: Ch'ing ch'ao; IPA: [t͡ɕʰíŋ t͡ʂʰɑ̌ʊ̯]; Manchu: Daicing gurun.png, Von Möllendorff: Daicing gurun), also known as the Manchu Dynasty, was the last ruling dynasty of China, ruling from 1644 to 1912 (with a brief, abortive restoration in 1917). It was preceded by the Ming Dynasty and followed by the Republic of China.
The dynasty was founded by the Manchu clan Aisin Gioro in what is today northeast China (also known as Manchuria). Starting in 1644 it expanded into China proper and its surrounding territories, establishing the Empire of the Great Qing (simplified Chinese: 大清国; traditional Chinese: 大清國; pinyin: Dà Qīng Guó; Wade-Giles: Ta Ch'ing Kuo, or simplified Chinese: 大清帝国; traditional Chinese: 大清帝國; pinyin: Dà Qīng Dì Guó; Wade-Giles: Ta Ch'ing Ti Kuo). Complete pacification of China was accomplished around 1683 under the Kangxi Emperor. Originally established as the Later Jin Dynasty (simplified Chinese: 后金; traditional Chinese: 後金; pinyin: hòu jīn) Amaga Aisin Gurun (Amaga aisin gurun1.png) in 1616, it changed its name to "Qing", meaning "clear" or "pellucid" in 1636. In 1644 Beijing was sacked by a coalition of rebel forces led by Li Zicheng, a minor Ming official turned leader of the peasant revolt. The last Ming Emperor Chongzhen committed suicide when the city fell, marking the official end of the dynasty. The Manchu Qing dynasty then allied with Ming Dynasty general Wu Sangui and seized control of Beijing and overthrew Li's short-lived Shun Dynasty. During its reign the Qing Dynasty became highly integrated with Chinese culture. The dynasty reached its height in the 18th century, during which both territory and population were increased. However, its military power weakened hereafter and faced with massive rebellions and defeats in wars, the Qing Dynasty declined after the mid-19th century. The Qing Dynasty was overthrown following the Xinhai Revolution, when the Empress Dowager Longyu abdicated on behalf of the last emperor, Puyi, on February 12, 1912. |
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QUOTE(yeezai @ May 11 2010, 05:05 PM) manchu ppl last time is dog to the emperor ...follow blindly without thinking..where han ppl all got brain and try to overturn manchu but unsuccessful coz wong fei hung last time lost battle to bruce lee no.. i manchu is a very good people comes from good ancestor |
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The Xinhai Revolution or Hsinhai Revolution (Chinese: 辛亥革命; pinyin: Xīnhài Gémìng), also known as the 1911 Revolution or the Chinese Revolution, began with the Wuchang Uprising on October 10, 1911 and ended with the abdication of Emperor Puyi on February 12, 1912. The primary parties to the conflict were the Imperial forces of the Qing Dynasty (1644–1911) and the revolutionary forces of the Chinese Revolutionary Alliance (Tongmenghui). The revolution is so named because 1911 is a "Xinhai Year" in the sexagenary cycle of the Chinese calendar.
The revolution was motivated by anger at corruption in the Qing government, frustration with the government's inability to restrain the interventions of foreign powers, and resentment of the majority Han Chinese toward a government dominated by an ethnic minority (the Manchus). The revolution did not immediately result in a republican government; instead, it set up a weak provisional central government over a politically fragmented country. The monarchy was briefly and abortively restored twice, and there was a period of military rule. Though the revolution concluded on February 12, 1912, when the Republic of China formally replaced the Qing Dynasty, internal conflict persisted. The nation endured a failed Second Revolution, a Warlord Era and the Chinese Civil War before the communists took control on October 1, 1949. Discussions of the issues surrounding the Xinhai Revolution are often politically charged, as the events that followed played a role in the histories of both the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China. Nevertheless, the Xinhai Revolution was the first attempt to establish a republic in China that managed to successfully oust the previous government. Today, the Xinhai Revolution is commemorated in Taiwan as Double Ten Day (Chinese: 雙十節). In mainland China, Hong Kong and Macau the same day is usually celebrated as the Anniversary of the Xinhai Revolution. Many overseas Chinese also celebrate the anniversary, termed either "Double Ten Day" or "Anniversary of the Xinhai Revolution", and events are usually held in Chinatowns across the world. |
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QUOTE(whuffy_aniki @ May 11 2010, 05:07 PM) 3 kingdom is han dynasty right?when i was like 12 y o i always watch chinese drama on tv3 err 6 pm if im not mistaken and always watch how the han want tp restore han dynasty from the manchu 3 kingdom is before han dynasty.... |
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QUOTE(garytong @ May 11 2010, 05:06 PM) manchus are uncultured barbarians. they have culture ok.... i say Chinese absorb their culture |
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:04 PM) so china (han) never conquer la? just read for leisure and interest lar... but china change the history.... they said manchuria is theirs, but manchuria is the one who invade them, and mongol, and tibet, and 2 more country i dont rmmbr... they only want to justify their action on tibet and others that in the power of manchurian bfore, when manchu want to make manchu country, manchukuo they said its japa puppet country... y so evil ppl say zhang fei is 8 feet tall (*i think) and u believe? i dunno lor... QUOTE(whuffy_aniki @ May 11 2010, 05:07 PM) 3 kingdom is han dynasty right?when i was like 12 y o i always watch chinese drama on tv3 err 6 pm if im not mistaken and always watch how the han want tp restore han dynasty from the manchu 3 kingdom is after Han Dynasty. |
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I heard the chinese now is HAN people, right?
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QUOTE(ZakaRiaRia @ May 11 2010, 05:05 PM) like ip man vs hong fist la .. eh.. u not chindian?I'm chinese, I like machu ... machu and han dont differentiate now de.. btw, hokkien ckt wins!! |
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Check my posts, a brief history of the Manchu Dynasty.
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mandarin is manchu?
original chinese must be hakka. |
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QUOTE(rourou @ May 11 2010, 05:09 PM) 3 kingdom is before han dynasty.... gal, Han is from 206~220CE, whereas 3 kingdom is 221~266CE. |
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QUOTE(lordsapt @ May 11 2010, 05:07 PM) FAIL TOPIC i know manchurian... their country is in the east China, between russia and korea.... beijing is theirs once, the capital of the jurchenTS dont even know what is manchurians |
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QUOTE(rourou @ May 11 2010, 05:09 PM) 3 kingdom is before han dynasty.... owh sorry,i will read more coz it really intresting |
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QUOTE(don^don @ May 11 2010, 05:11 PM) gal, Han is from 206~220CE, whereas 3 kingdom is 221~266CE. She is correct, 3 kingdoms is after Han dynasty. |
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QUOTE(th3_glove20 @ May 11 2010, 05:10 PM) I heard the chinese now is HAN people, right? ya, coz Han speaks mandarin. Machurian speaks their own language actually.QUOTE(daruma @ May 11 2010, 05:11 PM) mandarin is manchu? i think is hokkien eh... original chinese must be hakka.  |
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- 夏 Xia dynasty (2070-1600 BC)
-商 Shang dynasty (1600-1046 BC) -西周 Western Zhou dynasty (1046 - 771BC) -春秋 Spring and Autumn dynasty (770-476 BC) -战国 Warring States dynasty (475-221 BC) -秦 Qin dynasty (221-206) -汉（西汉，东汉）Han dynasty (Western Han, Eastern Han) (206BC- 220 AD) -三国（魏，蜀，吴）3 Kingdoms (Wei, Shu, Wu) (220-280 AD) -晋（西晋，东晋）Jin dynasty (265-420 AD) -南北朝 Southern and Northern dynasty (420-589 AD) -隋 Sui dynasty (581-618 AD) -唐 Tang dynasty (618-907 AD) -五代 5 dynasty (907-960 AD) -辽 Liao dynasty (907-1125AD) -宋（北宋，南宋）Song dynasty (Northern Song, Southern Song) (960-1279 AD) -西夏 Western Xia dynasty (1038-1227AD) -晋 Jin dynasty (1115- 1234 AD) -元 Yuan dynasty (1206-1368 AD) -明 Ming dynasty (1368-1644 AD) -清 Qing dynasty (Before Opium Wars of 1840 (1616-1840 AD)) |
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QUOTE(debbierowe @ May 11 2010, 05:08 PM) tats like ... 300++ years ago Qing dynasty started thats y i think its funny sometimes coz they hate manchu when they might actually onenow u cant find 1 manchurian bcos after the end of the Qing dynasty their language completely lost , they all speak mandarin and they change their traditional long long surname to han chinese surnames |
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QUOTE(whuffy_aniki @ May 11 2010, 05:12 PM) owh sorry,i will read more coz it really intresting paiseh i wrong....  |
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:10 PM) eh.. u not chindian? yes, chinese is a subset of chindian . |
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Han Dynasty 206 BC–220 AD
Three Kingdoms 220–280 This post has been edited by The Hardest Thing In The World: May 11 2010, 05:14 PM |
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QUOTE(daruma @ May 11 2010, 05:11 PM) mandarin is manchu? yes.. mandarin is one of manchurian language... thats y they sound more niceoriginal chinese must be hakka. |
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this thread has no historical reference whatsoever
TS, when you say "Chinese" i includes, the han and the manchu and etc, so your terminology is wrong. the chinese are made out of 80% Han chinese, its like in india there are different types of indians, the tamils, the hindis; and difference caste, well the chinese have different types of people as well who speak different languages and have difference cultures. but they are hadly as bad as the caste system that india still practices today. i think hate is a wrong word, maybe after the ming dynasty there were people who didnt like the Qing, but the Qing dynasty did have one or two of the best emperors China has ever had. but of course in the end, a power hungry queen, a puppet emperor and corruption ended the dynasty. there are hardly any manchus nowadays. good luck hating them. |
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1 of the reason why han doesnt like manchurians is because they literally gave china away to foreign countries and also open the doors for the 8 foreign countries to attack china
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:13 PM) thats y i think its funny sometimes coz they hate manchu when they might actually one after hundreds of years, the manchu and han inter married lor... now hard to say who's purely han or who's purely manchu. cannot tell liao... so can't say who hates who. but in the past when the machurian first took china the hans hated them lar... it's the same everywhere. even in modern society. but after you mingle and co-exist for long, it's different. |
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Qing emperor shouldnt unite 6 kok...
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QUOTE(rourou @ May 11 2010, 05:13 PM) - 夏 Xia dynasty (2070-1600 BC) what i rmmbr-商 Shang dynasty (1600-1046 BC) -西周 Western Zhou dynasty (1046 - 771BC) -春秋 Spring and Autumn dynasty (770-476 BC) -战国 Warring States dynasty (475-221 BC) -秦 Qin dynasty (221-206) -汉（西汉，东汉）Han dynasty (Western Han, Eastern Han) (206BC- 220 AD) -三国（魏，蜀，吴）3 Kingdoms (Wei, Shu, Wu) (220-280 AD) -晋（西晋，东晋）Jin dynasty (265-420 AD) -南北朝 Southern and Northern dynasty (420-589 AD) -隋 Sui dynasty (581-618 AD) -唐 Tang dynasty (618-907 AD) manchu -五代 5 dynasty (907-960 AD) -辽 Liao dynasty (907-1125AD) manchu -宋（北宋，南宋）Song dynasty (Northern Song, Southern Song) (960-1279 AD) -西夏 Western Xia dynasty (1038-1227AD) -晋 Jin dynasty (1115- 1234 AD) manchu -元 Yuan dynasty (1206-1368 AD) mongol -明 Ming dynasty (1368-1644 AD) han -清 Qing dynasty (Before Opium Wars of 1840 (1616-1840 AD))manchu This post has been edited by PVCpipe: May 11 2010, 05:16 PM |
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lol, i tot Qin dynasty and Qing dynasty the same...
now i balu know different... WTF! big mistake! |
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ganghis khan
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the russian should take over the chinese long time ago...now china becomes russia...
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ganghis khan is what?
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QUOTE(simsim @ May 11 2010, 05:15 PM) this thread has no historical reference whatsoever whn i say chinese, i mean han+manchu who lost identity, coz manchu still say they are manchuTS, when you say "Chinese" i includes, the han and the manchu and etc, so your terminology is wrong. the chinese are made out of 80% Han chinese, its like in india there are different types of indians, the tamils, the hindis; and difference caste, well the chinese have different types of people as well who speak different languages and have difference cultures. but they are hadly as bad as the caste system that india still practices today. i think hate is a wrong word, maybe after the ming dynasty there were people who didnt like the Qing, but the Qing dynasty did have one or two of the best emperors China has ever had. but of course in the end, a power hungry queen, a puppet emperor and corruption ended the dynasty. there are hardly any manchus nowadays. good luck hating them. |
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:16 PM) what i rmmbr i think only in Qing is manchu lar...... in the olden days china is split and there were wars... the strongest which unit them was the Tang. hence chinese also call themselves "tang" till today. ini history my husband teach me one lar... |
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QUOTE(mrfuad87 @ May 11 2010, 05:18 PM) ganghis khan is what? the most powerful person in the world...he conquer almost whole continent...can say more powerful then USA obama |
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QUOTE(rourou @ May 11 2010, 05:15 PM) after hundreds of years, the manchu and han inter married lor... now hard to say who's purely han or who's purely manchu. cannot tell liao... so can't say who hates who. but in the past when the machurian first took china the hans hated them lar... it's the same everywhere. even in modern society. but after you mingle and co-exist for long, it's different. just like meleis & ching chong... oh wai- |
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:14 PM) yes.. mandarin is one of manchurian language... thats y they sound more nice Dear TS... can you please do some reading before posting comments like this? |
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QUOTE(mrfuad87 @ May 11 2010, 05:18 PM) ganghis khan is what? mongolian... he conquer all the way up till before rome if i remember correctly. |
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May 11 2010, 05:21 PM
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Yup, I was wondering about "Mandarin being one of Manchurian language" too. Can anyone enlighten us?
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May 11 2010, 05:21 PM
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genghis khan is mongolian, not even chinese =.=
ok i may be wrong, mandarin is china's common language, and it is not created by manchurians, it is created by qin shi huangdi(dunno how to spell) so that the unified china have a common language that everyone can use to talk to each other. This post has been edited by lordsapt: May 11 2010, 05:23 PM |
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May 11 2010, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(yeezai @ May 11 2010, 05:18 PM) the russian should take over the chinese long time ago...now china becomes russia... manchukuo was ripped 2, one russia take, one china take... after china say its puppet country of japan... its normal a new country seek support from other country... and many country edi recognize manchukuo.... but china think face said it was theirs |
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May 11 2010, 05:23 PM
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Keep posting. Pretty soon there might be a thread
why /k/ hates pvcpipe? |
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May 11 2010, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(rourou @ May 11 2010, 05:19 PM) i think only in Qing is manchu lar...... in the olden days china is split and there were wars... the strongest which unit them was the Tang. hence chinese also call themselves "tang" till today. ini history my husband teach me one lar... no jin is manchu.... its all their people, but migrate, and form a country |
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May 11 2010, 05:23 PM
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Manchukuo was given to Puyi by the Japanese, am I right?
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May 11 2010, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(lordsapt @ May 11 2010, 05:21 PM) genghis khan is mongolian, not even chinese =.= yesok i may be wrong, mandarin is china's common language, and it is not created by manchurians, it is created by qin shi huangdi(dunno how to spell) so that the unified china have a common language that everyone can use to talk to each other. |
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May 11 2010, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:21 PM) manchukuo was ripped 2, one russia take, one china take... after china say its puppet country of japan... its normal a new country seek support from other country... and many country edi recognize manchukuo.... but china think face said it was theirs everything you said is true...everything in the internet is true  |
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May 11 2010, 05:23 PM
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vieatnam many people say mandarin, then ist viatnam
is china? genghis is like china oso what |
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May 11 2010, 05:24 PM
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Puyi was an ignorant emperor. Got dupe hahahaha
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May 11 2010, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(Avex @ May 11 2010, 05:24 PM) Puyi was an ignorant emperor. Got dupe hahahaha All this discussion make me want to watch "The Last Emperor" again. |
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May 11 2010, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(mrfuad87 @ May 11 2010, 05:23 PM) vieatnam many people say mandarin, then ist viatnam vietnam is hmong.. they are not hanis china? genghis is like china oso what |
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May 11 2010, 05:27 PM
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i just hate how manchu govt works....commoners back then was stupid...
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May 11 2010, 05:27 PM
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3 kingdom is more interesting actually. i like the story.
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May 11 2010, 05:28 PM
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May 11 2010, 05:28 PM
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3 kingdom is overated
warring kingdom more interesting |
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May 11 2010, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(The Hardest Thing In The World @ May 11 2010, 05:26 PM) All this discussion make me want to watch "The Last Emperor" again. Are you sure that is an accurate account or are you just looking at the entertainment value... |
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May 11 2010, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(Avex @ May 11 2010, 05:24 PM) Puyi was an ignorant emperor. Got dupe hahahaha puyi ran after manchu empire collapse... back to his country manchurian(manchukuo), after china took manchukuo, he has been under the china monitor, even has to marry han chinese... so sad |
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May 11 2010, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(Thalis @ May 11 2010, 05:28 PM) Are you sure that is an accurate account or are you just looking at the entertainment value... Entertainement, not for its accuracy. |
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May 11 2010, 05:29 PM
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now i know many people FAIL as a chinese lol
once again, GENGHIS KHAN IS NOT A CHINESE, HE IS MONGOLLIAN!!!! and i repeat, mandarin is china's common language, and it is not created by manchurians, it is created by qin shi huangdi(dunno how to spell) so that the unified china have a common language that everyone can use to talk to each other. |
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May 11 2010, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(don^don @ May 11 2010, 06:27 PM) 3 kingdom is more interesting actually. i like the story.  YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! |
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May 11 2010, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(lordsapt @ May 11 2010, 05:29 PM) now i know many people FAIL as a chinese lol no u dum, u think its easy to 'create' new language... mandarin is manchu language... manchu oso have many language.... thats y they sounds diff than hakka, cantoonce again, GENGHIS KHAN IS NOT A CHINESE, HE IS MONGOLLIAN!!!! and i repeat, mandarin is china's common language, and it is not created by manchurians, it is created by qin shi huangdi(dunno how to spell) so that the unified china have a common language that everyone can use to talk to each other. |
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May 11 2010, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:28 PM) puyi ran after manchu empire collapse... back to his country manchurian(manchukuo), after china took manchukuo, he has been under the china monitor, even has to marry han chinese... so sad TS... I really suggest you do some serious reading... your comments are really not helping your own thread at all.... |
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May 11 2010, 05:31 PM
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does chinese like turks?
hell yeah. kazakhstan is china's best friend. and they have mata sepek liek han chinese. plus kazakh chicks are hotter.  |
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May 11 2010, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(lordsapt @ May 11 2010, 05:21 PM) genghis khan is mongolian, not even chinese =.= he burn all the other literature so as to control it's ppl also....ok i may be wrong, mandarin is china's common language, and it is not created by manchurians, it is created by qin shi huangdi(dunno how to spell) so that the unified china have a common language that everyone can use to talk to each other. |
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May 11 2010, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(typicalsite @ May 11 2010, 04:52 PM) manchu is wat? satisfied.. like " ni de lao po manchu u.. " satisfied u.. |
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May 11 2010, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(Thalis @ May 11 2010, 05:31 PM) TS... I really suggest you do some serious reading... your comments are really not helping your own thread at all.... i told u china change they story |
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May 11 2010, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(BerniceLim @ May 11 2010, 05:32 PM) satisfied.. like " ni de lao po manchu u.. " satisfied u.. How clever. |
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May 11 2010, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:33 PM) i told u china change they story so history is fake but what you say is the truth? |
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May 11 2010, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(quintessential @ May 11 2010, 05:31 PM) does chinese like turks? ya kazakh are not 'chinese'.... but some are them oso china citizenhell yeah. kazakhstan is china's best friend. and they have mata sepek liek han chinese. plus kazakh chicks are hotter. |
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May 11 2010, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(puppeto4 @ May 11 2010, 05:29 PM) YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! |
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May 11 2010, 05:34 PM
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arrgghhh........white screen
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May 11 2010, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:33 PM) i told u china change they story I'm sure these people you're speaking with here aren't getting their sources from China, if you speak with the Chinese nationalities then yes. |
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May 11 2010, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(rourou @ May 11 2010, 05:33 PM) so history is fake but what you say is the truth? manchukuo flag they made up story so they can have other country once under manchu... |
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May 11 2010, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:33 PM) i told u china change they story excuse me? Do you even know the CHINA that you're referring to? |
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May 11 2010, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(The Hardest Thing In The World @ May 11 2010, 05:07 PM) The Manchu people (Manchu: Manjui gisun.svg Manju; simplified Chinese: 满族; traditional Chinese: 滿族; pinyin: Mǎnzú, Mongolian: Манж, Russian: Маньчжуры; Fuzhou dialect: 旗下囝 Kì-hâ-giāng (IPA: [ki˨˩ a˥˧ iaŋ˧]) are a Tungusic people who originated in Manchuria (today's northeastern China). During their rise in the seventeenth century, with the help of the Ming dynasty rebels (such as general Wu Sangui), they came to power in China and founded the Qing Dynasty, which ruled China until the Xinhai Revolution of 1911, which established a republican government in its place. Good info. See the difference between Malaysia and China? China helps and gives preferential treatment to the minorities. Malaysia helps the majority to suck on the minority...and then declare them as 'pendatang'.The Manchu ethnicity has largely been assimilated with the Han Chinese. The Manchu language is almost extinct, now spoken only among a small number of elderly people in remote rural areas of northeastern China and a few scholars; there are around ten thousand speakers of Sibe (Xibo), a Manchu dialect spoken in the Ili region of Xinjiang. In recent years, however, there has been a resurgence of interest in Manchu culture among both ethnic Manchus and Han. The number of Chinese today with some Manchu ancestry is quite large,[4] and the adoption of favorable policies towards ethnic minorities (such as preferential university admission, government employment opportunities and exemption from the one child policy) has encouraged some people with mixed Han and Manchu ancestry to re-identify themselves as Manchu. Welcome to 1Mareisha! |
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May 11 2010, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ May 11 2010, 05:37 PM) Good info. See the difference between Malaysia and China? China helps and gives preferential treatment to the minorities. Malaysia helps the majority to suck on the minority...and then declare them as 'pendatang'. hehe i think Malaysia is the only country that gives preferential treatment to the majority Welcome to 1Mareisha! |
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May 11 2010, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(Thalis @ May 11 2010, 05:36 PM) excuse me? Do you even know the CHINA that you're referring to? the han |
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May 11 2010, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:31 PM) no u dum, u think its easy to 'create' new language... mandarin is manchu language... manchu oso have many language.... thats y they sounds diff than hakka, canto hahahahah obviously u dunno shit, mandarin is a language long before manchu. it is use widely during the manchurian's era, doesnt mean is manchu language =.= |
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May 11 2010, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 06:34 PM) ya kazakh are not 'chinese'.... but some are them oso china citizen but ppl assume that as long as you have mata sepek. you are a chinese.in this case. china should conquer central asia and siberia, where lots of mata sepeks live. |
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May 11 2010, 05:39 PM
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i have a few Kazakhs friends, nice ppl. They are quite mix actually. Some look Russians while some look really Chinese.
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May 11 2010, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE(quintessential @ May 11 2010, 05:39 PM) but ppl assume that as long as you have mata sepek. you are a chinese. in this case. china should conquer central asia and siberia, where lots of mata sepeks live. then what about the eskimos? they also sepet wor |
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May 11 2010, 05:40 PM
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 This is orang muslim or mamak? |
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May 11 2010, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(Avex @ May 11 2010, 05:39 PM) i have a few Kazakhs friends, nice ppl. They are quite mix actually. Some look Russians while some look really Chinese. WHAT? mata sepet chinese(han) la? manchu mata sepet, korean, mata sepet, mongol mata sepet.. y u say chinese? |
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May 11 2010, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:36 PM) manchukuo flag they made up story so they can have other country once under manchu... this thread serves no purpose whatsoever... |
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May 11 2010, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(Thalis @ May 11 2010, 05:41 PM) OK... no point telling this guy... he can't even tell the difference between the original Manchuria, Manchukuo and the current Manchurian provinces... y dont u tell methis thread serves no purpose whatsoever... |
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May 11 2010, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:42 PM) y dont u tell me I've already asked you to do some reading on TWO occasions... come on... a little R&D on your own helps you know....This post has been edited by Thalis: May 11 2010, 05:44 PM |
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May 11 2010, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(Thalis @ May 11 2010, 05:41 PM) OK... no point telling this guy... he can't even tell the difference between the original Manchuria, Manchukuo and the current Manchurian provinces... cool cool this thread serves no purpose whatsoever... dun frust |
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May 11 2010, 05:45 PM
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i did... thats y i tell u... now u tell me what u know
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May 11 2010, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(rourou @ May 11 2010, 05:44 PM) cool cool thats the spirit! dun frust |
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May 11 2010, 05:45 PM
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check out 731 human vivisection while reading those 2
jepang rawks! |
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May 11 2010, 05:46 PM
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japan and korea not chinese ar?
why they use chop stick ar? |
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May 11 2010, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(rourou @ May 11 2010, 06:40 PM) then what about the eskimos? they also sepet wor  |
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May 11 2010, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(mrfuad87 @ May 11 2010, 05:46 PM) japan and korea not chinese ar? there's believes that says the japanese comes from china. but korea memang lama sudah ada. used to pay tributes to china as they are a smaller country.why they use chop stick ar? |
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May 11 2010, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(rourou @ May 11 2010, 05:47 PM) there's believes that says the japanese comes from china. but korea memang lama sudah ada. used to pay tributes to china as they are a smaller country. wonder wht manchu never conquer korea? coz r related |
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May 11 2010, 05:54 PM
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HAHAHAHAH are u implying people who use chopsticks are chinese? cause if thats the case i got many angmoh friends are chinese, not to mention a few indian friends also chinese
QUOTE(mrfuad87 @ May 11 2010, 05:46 PM) japan and korea not chinese ar? why they use chop stick ar? |
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May 11 2010, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(strace @ May 11 2010, 05:45 PM) check out 731 human vivisection while reading those 2 what is that?jepang rawks! |
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May 11 2010, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:55 PM) what is that? Some experiments on Chinese. These surgeons will open up the Chinese people alive and do all sorts of things like removing parts of the bodies or reattaching their limbs on opposite sides and so on. |
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May 11 2010, 05:58 PM
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so Manchurian > chinese?
p/s cheong sam is not the chinese dress, it's manchurian. chinese usually wear bathing robe one... always sweaty gotta take a lot of bath everyday. but then again all my chinese friends dont take shower in the morning one, so disgusting |
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May 11 2010, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:14 PM) yes.. mandarin is one of manchurian language... thats y they sound more nice then Han is cantonese? |
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May 11 2010, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:55 PM) what is that? u can watch this, is a 7 part documentary regarding the notorious unit731 |
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May 11 2010, 06:03 PM
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chinese history and culture is so rich, other ppl see also butthurt
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May 11 2010, 06:04 PM
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the rise of the Communist China
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May 11 2010, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ May 11 2010, 06:04 PM) the rise of the Communist China haiiyafor the motherland! the chinese are using communism as a tool to hold onto power. they themselves dont believe in communism anymore. look at their economy, it wouldnt get to where it is if it stuck with communism |
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May 11 2010, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(ichi_24 @ May 11 2010, 06:04 PM) the rise of the Communist China for the motherland!  |
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May 11 2010, 06:13 PM
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What is communism, really? It is different from what some of you would associate it to.
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May 11 2010, 06:16 PM
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dun care much. both same ching chong lol
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May 11 2010, 06:16 PM
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lee chong wei playing rite now... brb
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May 11 2010, 06:28 PM
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japanese are actually chinese ppl, when the first emperor, Shi Huang Di, instructed his officer to look for the Elixir of Immortality, the officer requested to fill his ship with 500 girls and 500 boys. Then he lari with the 500 boys and girls to Japan and settled there. Then they lived there and mingle with the locals there and become Japanese.
I think that goes the same with Korea too, if not mistaken |
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May 11 2010, 06:31 PM
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ask yourself first, why malays hate banglas.
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May 11 2010, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(munchinks @ May 11 2010, 06:28 PM) japanese are actually chinese ppl, when the first emperor, Shi Huang Di, instructed his officer to look for the Elixir of Immortality, the officer requested to fill his ship with 500 girls and 500 boys. Then he lari with the 500 boys and girls to Japan and settled there. Then they lived there and mingle with the locals there and become Japanese. japan gonna hate thisI think that goes the same with Korea too, if not mistaken |
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May 11 2010, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE(ray6369 @ May 11 2010, 06:31 PM) ask yourself first, why malays hate banglas. lol malay never hate bangla.... who says thatbtw, it safe to say that some of 'chinese' cuisine is manchus rite... maybe the famous bkt is manchus delicacy |
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May 11 2010, 07:19 PM
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lmao zedong
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May 11 2010, 07:20 PM
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f*** you all i am hokkien lang.
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May 11 2010, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(99chan @ May 11 2010, 07:20 PM) f*** you all i am hokkien lang. hokkien is not manchu i guess |
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May 11 2010, 07:26 PM
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hokkien is southeast ching chong tribe
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May 11 2010, 07:28 PM
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i guess those are han... so han lang is hokkien?
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 07:28 PM) i guess those are han... so han lang is hokkien? No hokkien is Min not hanWanna know more google Min Chinese This post has been edited by Ahsin1987: May 11 2010, 07:33 PM |
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QUOTE(munchinks @ May 11 2010, 06:28 PM) japanese are actually chinese ppl, when the first emperor, Shi Huang Di, instructed his officer to look for the Elixir of Immortality, the officer requested to fill his ship with 500 girls and 500 boys. Then he lari with the 500 boys and girls to Japan and settled there. Then they lived there and mingle with the locals there and become Japanese. Yamato PeopleI think that goes the same with Korea too, if not mistaken |
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May 11 2010, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE(Ahsin1987 @ May 11 2010, 07:31 PM) No hokkien is Min not han owh... so hokkien is min... so whos this han? |
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May 11 2010, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(Ahsin1987 @ May 11 2010, 08:31 PM) No hokkien is Min not han free taiwan!!!!!!!!!!Wanna know more google Min Chinese use hokkien as taiwan's national language. |
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May 11 2010, 07:43 PM
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machu love corruption, sex & slavery.
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May 11 2010, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 07:16 PM) lol malay never hate bangla.... who says that btw, it safe to say that some of 'chinese' cuisine is manchus rite... maybe the famous bkt is manchus delicacy » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « NOT FROM MANCHU. |
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May 11 2010, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 07:33 PM) owh... so hokkien is min... so whos this han? Han is another group of ppl's , there still got Xin , Shang , Zhou , Sui , Tang and more , back to history they fight each other for the name of ruler ... |
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May 11 2010, 07:56 PM
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Why malay hate jew?
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May 11 2010, 08:03 PM
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if han ppl never revolt again the great manchu empire japan wouldt have successfully invaded them
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May 12 2010, 12:06 AM
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why chinese when 'invade' convert them to 'han'?
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May 12 2010, 12:24 AM
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QUOTE(Gahleon @ May 11 2010, 07:56 PM) Why malay hate jew? who hate jew? jew and zionist u cant diff ah? |
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May 12 2010, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE(Gahleon @ May 11 2010, 07:56 PM) Why malay hate jew?  wer is tis guy@gal missing  |
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May 12 2010, 01:11 AM
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So, a thread about racist yellow people is acceptable, but a thread about racist Malaz isn't?
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May 12 2010, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(yeezai @ May 11 2010, 04:55 PM) i dun like manchu ppl oso...like last time my great great great great grandfather see manchu ppl trus kill on spot racist spotted |
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May 12 2010, 01:14 AM
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i wonder why muslim hate jews..
they are pretty much the same color |
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May 12 2010, 01:18 AM
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Manchu will feel so offended by this thread...
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May 12 2010, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(Parrot @ May 12 2010, 01:11 AM) So, a thread about racist yellow people is acceptable, but a thread about racist Malaz aren't? y racist? i watch tv drama bout china... so i ask la... also the misconception we have that annoy me |
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May 12 2010, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 12 2010, 01:21 AM) y racist? i watch tv drama bout china... so i ask la... also the misconception we have that annoy me are you chinese? |
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May 12 2010, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ May 12 2010, 01:14 AM) i wonder why muslim hate jews.. no jinkinz. we dont hate jew? this is another misconception... we actually dont like zionist, and those 'elite' that think the world is their toythey are pretty much the same color |
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May 12 2010, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ May 12 2010, 01:14 AM) i wonder why muslim hate jews.. i wonder why <insert race> like u hate meleis...they are pretty much the same color they are pretty much the same human being.... |
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May 12 2010, 01:24 AM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 12 2010, 01:22 AM) no jinkinz. we dont hate jew? this is another misconception... we actually dont like zionist, and those 'elite' that think the world is their toy well u people just hate everything |
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May 12 2010, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE(GRIOWW!! @ May 12 2010, 01:23 AM) i wonder why <insert race> like u hate meleis... human being think, they are pretty much the same human being.... those tat u mention dont. |
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May 12 2010, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ May 12 2010, 01:24 AM) well u people just hate everything same like u?so u r meleis? |
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May 12 2010, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE(GRIOWW!! @ May 12 2010, 01:25 AM) same like u? typical meleis like u will always came out with someting like this.so u r meleis? |
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May 12 2010, 01:27 AM
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it doesnt matter..we still iz yellow piece of fat to all foreigners
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May 12 2010, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ May 12 2010, 01:26 AM) typical meleis like u will always came out with someting like this. typical <insert race> like u will always troll like this until they got what they want....but u wont get it...  This post has been edited by GRIOWW!!: May 12 2010, 01:29 AM |
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May 12 2010, 01:28 AM
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May 12 2010, 01:29 AM
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why hate each other?
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May 12 2010, 01:29 AM
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ May 12 2010, 01:24 AM) well u people just hate everything now thats... that can create confusion among /k/, and we sure dont want that jinkinz |
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May 12 2010, 01:29 AM
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QUOTE(GRIOWW!! @ May 12 2010, 01:28 AM) typical <insert race> like u will always troll like this typical meleis like u always being butthurt. |
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May 12 2010, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE(newbi3s @ May 12 2010, 01:29 AM) why hate each other? i dont know either... when min and han can live together, why cant manchu? y they reject the manchu government in the ancient time? |
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May 12 2010, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 12 2010, 01:29 AM) now thats... that can create confusion among /k/, and we sure dont want that jinkinz well hard to tell me not being stereotype.as we all notice, those meleis always complain this and tat. lets take avril came to malaysia, pas kecoh. mltr came to malaysia, diaorg kecoh lagi. yg kes kuil kat shah alam , diaorg kecoh lagi. too much lar. |
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May 12 2010, 01:33 AM
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typical meleis and cainis only?
where are indians? always being left behind |
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May 12 2010, 01:35 AM
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QUOTE(syarz @ May 11 2010, 12:33 PM) typical meleis and cainis only? Indians? What Indians?where are indians? always being left behind |
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May 12 2010, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE(Parrot @ May 12 2010, 01:35 AM) Indians? What Indians? indians as in indians |
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ May 12 2010, 01:31 AM) well hard to tell me not being stereotype. PAS kecoh about muslim people who want to see avrilas we all notice, those meleis always complain this and tat. lets take avril came to malaysia, pas kecoh. mltr came to malaysia, diaorg kecoh lagi. yg kes kuil kat shah alam , diaorg kecoh lagi. too much lar. other religion , PAS xkaco pon |
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May 12 2010, 01:45 AM
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QUOTE(syarz @ May 12 2010, 01:33 AM) typical meleis and cainis only? so indian oso want thread la, dedicated to indian? where are indians? always being left behind |
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May 12 2010, 01:46 AM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 12 2010, 01:45 AM) so indian oso want thread la, dedicated to indian? opkos lar  |
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May 12 2010, 01:47 AM
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QUOTE(syarz @ May 12 2010, 01:36 AM) indians as in indians the Red or the Black? |
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May 12 2010, 01:47 AM
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QUOTE(C-Note @ May 12 2010, 01:47 AM) the Red or the Black? black |
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so majority of malaysian chinese is what type of chinese?
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manchu is.chinese with hidung manchung.
han is..chinese with hantu inside .kakaka! jke. This post has been edited by rekaito90: May 12 2010, 01:58 AM |
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QUOTE(sharpeye @ May 12 2010, 01:53 AM) so majority of malaysian chinese is what type of chinese? thts another purpose of this thread, i want to know also... which i guess is han coz they probably broght here the south people... as its relatively moar close to tanah melayu that time |
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May 12 2010, 06:06 AM
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LOL at this thread.
First, Chinese does not hate Manchurian. Manchurian is included in the list as one of the 56 ethnics group of PRC which makes them Chinese. I dunno where you get the idea that Chinese hate Manchurian, probably from Wong Fei Hung movies. Those were the days when the Manchu was a corrupted government. They hate the corrupted Manchu goverment not the Manchu people. Second, Mandarin is not Manchu language. It is Northern China dialect but was chosen as an official language among other dialects because the capital of China back then and until now is in Beijing. FYI "Bei" means North and "Jing" means city which literally means Northern City. The Manchurian adopted the Han Chinese custom and culture when they invaded and takes over the throne. Hope that gives you some ideas and please go to wikipedia for further readings. Some of you here mention that Shi Huang Di from Qin Dynasty speaks Mandarin. Thats wrong, he created Chinese characters and not Mandarin language. |
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May 12 2010, 10:28 AM
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they said they must restore the han power, something like that
yes, they are chinese as the citizen of china... but they still manchu, uyghur people is china citizen, but y people dont call them chinese? hmm mandarin is manchu language actually.... north of china is manchu people area... han lived in the south east of china... |
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May 12 2010, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(Wanderlust_08 @ May 12 2010, 06:06 AM) LOL at this thread. If you read the chinese history in great depths you'll realise Manchurians were great leaders, for 3 consecutive generations ( kang xi, yong zheng, qian loong) First, Chinese does not hate Manchurian. Manchurian is included in the list as one of the 56 ethnics group of PRC which makes them Chinese. I dunno where you get the idea that Chinese hate Manchurian, probably from Wong Fei Hung movies. Those were the days when the Manchu was a corrupted government. They hate the corrupted Manchu goverment not the Manchu people. Second, Mandarin is not Manchu language. It is Northern China dialect but was chosen as an official language among other dialects because the capital of China back then and until now is in Beijing. FYI "Bei" means North and "Jing" means city which literally means Northern City. The Manchurian adopted the Han Chinese custom and culture when they invaded and takes over the throne. Hope that gives you some ideas and please go to wikipedia for further readings. Some of you here mention that Shi Huang Di from Qin Dynasty speaks Mandarin. Thats wrong, he created Chinese characters and not Mandarin language. Peace and harmony were achieved throughout those centuries. The problem lies with the chinese who discriminated ethical groups a.k.a. the Manchu government as they 'stole' their motherland. And FYI, the origin of triads dates back to that era (all those TianDiHui...etc) |
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All citizen of China is Chinese la, as all citizen of Malaysia is Malaysian. When you fill up forms do you write Malaysian Malay or Malaysian Chinese in nationality? Unless they ask for race. Same goes to the Chinese, there are Han Chinese, Manchu Chinese etc etc. Manchu is Northeastern and not all people from the North speak similar dialect take for example Han Chinese who lived in the South. There are Cantonese, Hakka, Hokkien, Teochew etc etc. Even Hangzhou/Suzhou and Shanghai being geographically so close but have their own dialect. Mandarin is spoken mainly in Beijing and was introduced as official language of China probably since the Ming Dynasty because it was during the Ming Dynasty that the capital of China was moved from Nanjing to Beijing. To C-Note, I agree that there are many good emperor during the Qing Dynasty, other than Kangxi, Yongzheng and Qianloong, I think u forgot to mention Guangxu Emperor. He is a man with wisdom and could be a good leader. Read more about Guangxu in wikipedia. The Qing Dynasty becomes weak and corrupted was because of influence from the Empress Dowager. She refuses modernizing and industrial reforms. Peace and harmony were achieved during Tang Dynasty and not Qing Dynasty. Tang Dynasty is the golden age of Chinese civilization and they welcomed foreign cultures with open arms with no discrimination against oher nations and ethnic groups. It was during that time trades by land and sea with other nations was established. Silk Road connected China with other nations like India, Middle East, Persian etc etc. Relationships with Korea, Japan and Vietnam were good. While Qing Dynasty is full of corrupted officials and a conservative small minded Empress Dowager. I guess thats why the Chinese wants to restore the Han government. |
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May 12 2010, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 04:54 PM) i don understand... y? they not 'chinese' enuf? Its like north and south korea la u s2pid fk |
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:31 PM) no u dum, u think its easy to 'create' new language... mandarin is manchu language... manchu oso have many language.... thats y they sounds diff than hakka, canto hi pvcpipe ...mandarin is really not created by manchu. Manchu have their own language which is totally different than Han's.The name mandarin come from is because that time British visit China, and Manchu ppl speak in Han's language, so the British people thought Han's language is Manchu's language and they called it 'Mandarin'. It's a misunderstanding actually. Manchu is one of foreign country colonial super fail story. Manchu have their own language and culture. After they take over China for a few thousand years, they have been totally influence by Han's and lost their culture and language totally. Now it's impossible to find a pure Manchu or pure Han as they have been mixed kao kao. |
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May 13 2010, 11:43 AM
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so IP MAN hates Manchu???
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May 13 2010, 11:47 AM
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TS still dun get it, Mandarin wasn't created by the Manchus!!! Manchus have their own dialects. For instance, Manchus claim that they are from the Aisin Goro clan, aisin goro is their own dialect, and when translated to mandarin, Aisin= jin = gold, goro= clan.
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QUOTE(amz_dreamz @ May 13 2010, 11:43 AM) so IP MAN hates Manchu??? The time of IP MAN, Manchu virtually not exist anymore because it blend into Han totally. |
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QUOTE(munchinks @ May 13 2010, 11:47 AM) TS still dun get it, Mandarin wasn't created by the Manchus!!! Manchus have their own dialects. For instance, Manchus claim that they are from the Aisin Goro clan, aisin goro is their own dialect, and when translated to mandarin, Aisin= jin = gold, goro= clan. Dont have to explain again and again lah, less smart inferior race wont understand. |
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:28 PM) puyi ran after manchu empire collapse... back to his country manchurian(manchukuo), after china took manchukuo, he has been under the china monitor, even has to marry han chinese... so sad where u get ur sauce?.. QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:31 PM) no u dum, u think its easy to 'create' new language... mandarin is manchu language... manchu oso have many language.... thats y they sounds diff than hakka, canto Since when mandarin is manchu language?... manchu had manchu language with a different writing.. how u know manchu got many language? can u list it out?QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:33 PM) i told u china change they story they change the ancient text also?.... Sima Qian (ca. 145 or 135 BC–86 BC) wrote Records of the Grand Historian (史記 or 史记) in Han's writing which is now officially mandarin.. that mean Sima Qian also Manchu?... as if u don't know Manchu not existed yet 2000 years ago...u are the 1 trying to change chinese's history... QUOTE japanese are actually chinese ppl, when the first emperor, Shi Huang Di, instructed his officer to look for the Elixir of Immortality, the officer requested to fill his ship with 500 girls and 500 boys. Then he lari with the 500 boys and girls to Japan and settled there. Then they lived there and mingle with the locals there and become Japanese. QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 07:06 PM) japan gonna hate this no japan admit this fact.. if go japan there's 1 big rock written 'bout this where they landed and create a Gomen there..QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 12 2010, 01:21 AM) y racist? i watch tv drama bout china... so i ask la... also the misconception we have that annoy me so ur main sauce is from TV drama? Iron man must really exist then..QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 12 2010, 10:28 AM) they said they must restore the han power, something like that u just don't care of the true,.. but to babble on ur make believe.. no matter what u said, gua olang cina tarak hate Manchu, Manchu cina jugak..... lu yang hate olang cina.... Why ah?.. we not malay enuf?... we like to eat nasi lemak and rendang also wor....yes, they are chinese as the citizen of china... but they still manchu, uyghur people is china citizen, but y people dont call them chinese? hmm mandarin is manchu language actually.... north of china is manchu people area... han lived in the south east of china... This post has been edited by randyhow: May 13 2010, 01:50 PM |
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 12 2010, 02:01 AM) thts another purpose of this thread, i want to know also... which i guess is han coz they probably broght here the south people... as its relatively moar close to tanah melayu that time Hang Tuah and Hang Jebat is Han also.. So Malay can be Han also.. Every 1 are welcome to be Han..Nowadays.. Chinese from other country call us Malaysian Chinese "Malai" or Malay guy... so u mind on this? This post has been edited by randyhow: May 13 2010, 02:07 PM |
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 11 2010, 04:52 PM) Han chinese hate the manchu chinese I am a manchurian decesdent. Why the Han hated the Manchus somuch because Manchu treated the Hans which isthe Chinese badly. Manchurians are actually from Korea and they are tribesman. But you guys cannot conclude that Manchus are bad guys or what because after the Qing Dynasty falls, Hans kill millions of Manchus. Actually, Qing is a great dynasty with Kangxi, Yongzheng and Qianlong but Cixi is the main cause why Qing falls. Emperor Guangxu was a good emperor which Western thinking that can modernize China but his power is control by Cixi.learn your history, indianman |
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QUOTE(hanyang @ May 30 2010, 10:38 PM) I am a manchurian decesdent. Why the Han hated the Manchus somuch because Manchu treated the Hans which isthe Chinese badly. Manchurians are actually from Korea and they are tribesman. But you guys cannot conclude that Manchus are bad guys or what because after the Qing Dynasty falls, Hans kill millions of Manchus. Actually, Qing is a great dynasty with Kangxi, Yongzheng and Qianlong but Cixi is the main cause why Qing falls. Emperor Guangxu was a good emperor which Western thinking that can modernize China but his power is control by Cixi. but by that time the fall of Qing, isn't Han and Machu semue dah campor either in hair style and also language spoken ?then how can they differentiate? |
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aloha.. i juz back from China. got manchu la.. the manchu i spoke to admit she is a manchu from tianjin and they got 'special privilege' like the special hak in msia. i no rike manchu coz they is ugly.. they mata sepet so ugly.
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[quote=FiF2,May 30 2010, 10:56 PM]
but by that time the fall of Qing, isn't Han and Machu semue dah campor either in hair style and also language spoken ? then how can they differentiate? [/q During the Qing dynasty, Manchu and Han must cut their hair, thats y all of them have a pigtail at the back. Manchu's language is totally different from Han. One other difference that u can differentiate them is their eyes. Manchu's eye are normally small. Y they got special hak? This is because they are ethnic group. Every ethnic group in China have a special privilege. |
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got buteherd ppl... i tell the truth onli... haih
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May 31 2010, 08:21 PM
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heard the manchu race are superior race in China
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Notice that the word/name of the state HARBIN in northeastern china doesnt sound vry CHINESE? cuz Harbin was once a state of the country Manchuria. Manchuria, in Japanese is Manchukuo and it was a puppet state of Japan back then. Manchuria is located at northeastern china which is also southeastern of russia. After the war, russia claimed the top half of Manchuria and china claimed the bottom half of it therefore now you dun see Manchuria on the world map anymore.
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QUOTE(Caviar4Supper @ Jul 1 2010, 10:01 PM) Notice that the word/name of the state HARBIN in northeastern china doesnt sound vry CHINESE? cuz Harbin was once a state of the country Manchuria. Manchuria, in Japanese is Manchukuo and it was a puppet state of Japan back then. Manchuria is located at northeastern china which is also southeastern of russia. After the war, russia claimed the top half of Manchuria and china claimed the bottom half of it therefore now you dun see Manchuria on the world map anymore. every new country need to be recognize by other country, in this case, japan recognize manchu as a country, just like malaysia, when indonesia said we bcome brits puppet. |
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them got conqueared by the manchu , even though manchu govern them well.. they do not appriceate. sound familiar?
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Ehh actually the Hans were the one kena pigtailed & frontal botak-lah..
Anyway, Manchus were so interested in Chinese after they concured China & embraced Hans culture & languarges and currently their own culture almost extinct... QUOTE(abbychan87 @ May 11 2010, 04:55 PM) manchu is with pigtail, whereas HAN is without it |
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the han should conquer soviet instead...
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manchu chinese won some war, started the Qing Dynasty. oppressed the Han.
so.. until now Han still butthurt Manchu. |
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QUOTE(Hamas @ Jul 1 2010, 10:23 PM) them got conqueared by the manchu , even though manchu govern them well.. they do not appriceate. sound familiar? F*cking learn about the example of "good governance" before you made yourself look retarded. |
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QUOTE(randyhow @ May 13 2010, 02:02 PM) Nowadays.. Chinese from other country call us Malaysian Chinese "Malai" or Malay guy... so u mind on this? This is true. Even the west people call chinese, indian and malay from Malaysia "Malay" as in Malaysian people. And this is good. |
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manchu, pikachu, raichu, chu chu train
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 04:51 PM) i heard that 'chinese' hate manchu people and say they are not 'chinese'. why? what make 'chinese' chinese? they have the same color skin, slanted eyes, ching chong language oso. "Threads or posts pertaining to racial, religious or political issues are strictly prohibited in Kopitiam and its subforums."I have reported this thread. |
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 04:51 PM) i heard that 'chinese' hate manchu people and say they are not 'chinese'. why? what make 'chinese' chinese? they have the same color skin, slanted eyes, ching chong language oso. No. what you heard is totally wrong. Chinese dun hate manchu people at all. The Republic of China consists of 56 different races. Where Manchu is one of them only. In the past 1600 something... they got war. Then Manchu people ruling China. Now already 21st century, year 2010. So, what is heard is totally not right for the current China. Only true when in year 1600an only. okay? clear now? brother~ QUOTE(milkshooter @ Jul 4 2010, 04:42 PM) "Threads or posts pertaining to racial, religious or political issues are strictly prohibited in Kopitiam and its subforums." I have reported this thread. dun seems any problem... this is issue for the year 1600 |
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QUOTE(edifgrto @ Jul 4 2010, 04:53 PM) No. what you heard is totally wrong. Chinese dun hate manchu people at all. The Republic of China consists of 56 different races. Where Manchu is one of them only. In the past 1600 something... they got war. Then Manchu people ruling China. Now already 21st century, year 2010. So, what is heard is totally not right for the current China. Only true when in year 1600an only. this thread is just trolling on chinese.. dunno why u bother to okay? clear now? brother~ dun seems any problem... this is issue for the year 1600 This post has been edited by randyhow: Jul 4 2010, 05:05 PM |
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QUOTE(randyhow @ Jul 4 2010, 05:03 PM) this thread is just trolling on chinese.. dunno why u bother to hardly get serious with such. I'm just replying ts, dun have time to read trolls' post... it's 11 pages |
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f*** FACIST!!!!
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Aug 7 2010, 02:18 PM
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Shang Dynasty
 Zhou Dynasty  Warring State  Qin (Chin) Dynasty  Han Dynasty  3 Kingdom (WEI / SHU HAN / WU)  Jin (Jurchen @ Manchu) & 16 Kingdom  Southern & Northern Dynasty  Sui Dynasty  Tang Dynasty  This post has been edited by HangPC2: Aug 7 2010, 02:19 PM |
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Nice Info
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Liao (Khitan) Dynasty
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wow which RPG game is this?
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Aug 7 2010, 02:44 PM
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3 times Jurchen @ Manchu conquer China
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Aug 7 2010, 02:44 PM) 3 times Jurchen @ Manchu conquer China as usual. In the beginning of Manchu, their leaders are superb awesome!!! but like most empire time, the beginning always the best of the best. Then later on... bad, worse, worst, sh!thappening, sh!thappened, and so on. hahahaha~ This post has been edited by edifgrto: Aug 7 2010, 02:48 PM |
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I notice during the early chinese dynasty, they are wearing leather boots already.
very innovative. pahlawan melaka still wearing selipar? |
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There are still Manchus in China actually but Han outnumbered them. The reason is of Qing dynasty lasts for 300+ years is that the good governance until the last few years where the governance started to corrupt and that's the good chance for Han's to rebel.
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Aug 7 2010, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 7 2010, 02:48 PM) I notice during the early chinese dynasty, they are wearing leather boots already. Different Weather Brovery innovative. pahlawan melaka still wearing Capal Melayu |
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Aug 7 2010, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Aug 7 2010, 02:53 PM) Different Weather Bro  look like selipar to me. |
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so i heard Lin Dan is manchu while LCW is han?
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Aug 7 2010, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 7 2010, 02:56 PM) look like selipar to me.      Japanese traditional Shoes/Sandal Zori Tatami  Setta  Wooden Geta  Waraji  |
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Aug 7 2010, 03:21 PM) Early Samurai Era 200-1500 Dude,Japanese traditional Shoes/Sandal Zori Tatami Setta Wooden Geta Waraji as a warrior, wearing slipper doesn't quite cut it. Like you wear leather jacket and leather pants, then you wear slipper while driving harley davidson. LULZ. |
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:16 PM) CODE -唐 Tang dynasty (618-907 AD) manchu -五代 5 dynasty (907-960 AD) -辽 Liao dynasty (907-1125AD) manchu -宋（北宋，南宋）Song dynasty (Northern Song, Southern Song) (960-1279 AD) -西夏 Western Xia dynasty (1038-1227AD) -晋 Jin dynasty (1115- 1234 AD) manchu -元 Yuan dynasty (1206-1368 AD) mongol -明 Ming dynasty (1368-1644 AD) han -清 Qing dynasty (Before Opium Wars of 1840 (1616-1840 AD))manchu what i rmmbr Tang is manchu??  |
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Aug 7 2010, 03:57 PM
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keep trolling UW
btw warriors that dun wear any selipar or boots have a damn tough ft. kind of muay thai fighter, their ft. damn manly & keras |
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QUOTE(Band Aid @ Aug 7 2010, 03:57 PM) keep trolling UW I was thinking from outlook + practical POV, nothing to do with trolling or racing.btw warriors that dun wear any selipar or boots have a damn tough ft. kind of muay thai fighter, their ft. damn manly & keras Don't be so stereotypical. |
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Aug 7 2010, 04:08 PM
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Chinese = Racist also.
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Hang PC the pictures really cool.post the koreans warriors
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QUOTE(Pdot @ Aug 7 2010, 03:40 PM) Tang is manchu?? ??? what is what??? if by wiki, can't be trusted one lah... i go back and read more, see what you guys talking actually... |
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I find that majority of Chinese Malaysians in LYN get their so called China History lesson from TVB HK drama.
Some people still referring themselves as descendant from the MING and TANG dynasty LMAO. |
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Aug 7 2010, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(Pdot @ Aug 7 2010, 03:40 PM) Tang is manchu?? Tang = Cantonese people |
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QUOTE(Pdot @ Aug 7 2010, 03:40 PM) Tang is manchu?? Liao = Khitan 辽 Liao dynasty (907-1125AD) manchu -宋（北宋，南宋）Song dynasty (Northern Song, Southern Song) (960-1279 AD) -西夏 Western Xia dynasty (1038-1227AD) Song = Han Western Xia = Tibetan |
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QUOTE(legendofhafiz @ Aug 7 2010, 04:10 PM) Hang PC the pictures really cool.post the koreans warriors Coming Soon Han Korean 3 Kingdom Warrior |
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The Manchu were originally a nomadic people of Tungusic origin. Later, they became sinocized and loss their language.
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screw the han n manchu ppl...i am moving to korea n becoming a korean
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this is so long long long long long long ago...
and long long long long ago.... Manchu + Han already one family liao. just like MY,after 1957...we all becum malaysian liao. |
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mandarin language came from mongolia
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man chuuuu~ ~ ~ ~
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becos deep inside all love ManUnited
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pikachu
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when one thinks they were once superior, being defeated and ruled by others make them feel shameful and resentful of the winner. but their defeat is due to their own weakness for which they dont admit
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 7 2010, 02:48 PM) I notice during the early chinese dynasty, they are wearing leather boots already. More than 2000 years ago, chinese already has agricultural invention like ploughing the fields with a bull, vertical lined planting of seeds to allow better yield and prevent birds from eating the seeds while europeans were still scattering seeds by hand with little yield. Weaponry too, with crossbows and magazine pack similar to machine guns.very innovative. pahlawan melaka still wearing selipar? |
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i like to ask one question...someone said korean are actually manchurian, and someone oso said manchurian are ugly with more sepet eyes. so, how come korean ppl not ugly as accused? i'm not talking about plastic-surgery here but the normal korean ppl.
i used to heard about the story of japanese are actually from china, but in my version there are 3 officers, not one officer with 500 boys and girls |
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plastics bro.
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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Aug 23 2010, 01:27 AM) i like to ask one question...someone said korean are actually manchurian, and someone oso said manchurian are ugly with more sepet eyes. so, how come korean ppl not ugly as accused? i'm not talking about plastic-surgery here but the normal korean ppl. Normal koreans are ugly. Thats why do plastic surgery la.i used to heard about the story of japanese are actually from china, but in my version there are 3 officers, not one officer with 500 boys and girls Japs were descendants of Wu. |
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weeee wang wang~~
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QUOTE(accitzone @ Aug 22 2010, 11:52 PM) becos deep inside all love ManUnited |
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 01:57 AM) Normal koreans are ugly. Thats why do plastic surgery la. really? so ur saying their high school chick oso surgery eh? then i rest my case... Japs were descendants of Wu. i think this is ok wut... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « or something wrong wit my taste? |
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help!...how do i know im manchus or han??? what's the differences?
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QUOTE(CIM @ Aug 23 2010, 03:55 AM) help!...how do i know im manchus or han??? what's the differences? if they are kiasu,then they are han |
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QUOTE(Band Aid @ Aug 7 2010, 02:57 PM) so i heard Lin Dan is manchu while LCW is han? manchu got ridiculously long family name example ; ai xing jue luo is the royal family name of qing . |
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QUOTE(yeezai @ May 11 2010, 05:05 PM) manchu ppl last time is dog to the emperor ...follow blindly without thinking..where han ppl all got brain and try to overturn manchu but unsuccessful coz wong fei hung last time lost battle to bruce lee |
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known as Dinasti Qing.Dinasti Qing muslim or not? Laksamana Cheng Ho whick dinasti?
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 05:14 PM) yes.. mandarin is one of manchurian language... thats y they sound more nice QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 12 2010, 10:28 AM) they said they must restore the han power, something like that WTF LOLyes, they are chinese as the citizen of china... but they still manchu, uyghur people is china citizen, but y people dont call them chinese? hmm mandarin is manchu language actually.... north of china is manchu people area... han lived in the south east of china... I know your source of info. Its wrong. Manchurians have their own language, look it up. Here is a quote that explains abit on northern chinese language and why mandarin is not manchu language. "Well, I do agree that Mandarin is simply the modern descendant of a Northern Chinese linguistic koine that was influenced by Altaic languages- notably Mongolic, Turkic, and Tungusic languages. Since Northern China is mostly plains, 1) Nomadic conquerors can easily conquer the plains, since they rode horses. 2) Less linguistic diversity contributed to a Northern Chinese koine, unlike in Southern China, where there are geographical barriers. 3) In the issue of nomadic conquerors resisting sinification, this policy has failed. The Jurchens established Jurchen-language schools, but with limited success. Eventually the nomadic rulers either left or were assimilated. The Qing dynasty was known for imposing the mandarin language on all its subjects, but with limited success in southern China, where Mandarin didn't need to be used." Also, I don't know where you get the whole Chinese hating Manchu thing from. Maybe back then there was some hatred from certain groups but now Manchurians are considered Chinese, theres no hatred anymore. A few people have explained the whole Manchu language vs Mandarin but you seem to ignore it lol. If you speak Mandarin and other Chinese dialects, you can see the similarities between them, they're not like Manchu language. Like, Hello in Mandarin is Ni Hao, in Cantonese its Nei Hou, in Manchu its Ei or something. |
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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Aug 23 2010, 01:27 AM) i like to ask one question...someone said korean are actually manchurian, and someone oso said manchurian are ugly with more sepet eyes. so, how come korean ppl not ugly as accused? i'm not talking about plastic-surgery here but the normal korean ppl. Han Koreai used to heard about the story of japanese are actually from china, but in my version there are 3 officers, not one officer with 500 boys and girls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han |
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 04:54 PM) i don understand... y? they not 'chinese' enuf? ?This post has been edited by soul2soul: Aug 23 2010, 08:48 AM |
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manchu = chinese malaysian
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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Aug 23 2010, 06:54 AM) known as Dinasti Qing.Dinasti Qing muslim or not? Laksamana Cheng Ho whick dinasti? I believe Zheng He is from Ming Dynasty, a precursor to Qing Dynasty. He's a Muslim Eunuch. Though there's rumour that the first Ming Emperor is a Muslim, but in general, Ming Dynasty is purely Chinese. |
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seam like not much people know china have more then 50++ diff race
even part of the korean is consider as chinese |
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QUOTE(DX007 @ Aug 22 2010, 11:49 PM) this is so long long long long long long ago... no, since when malaysia chinese and indian become malaysian? and long long long long ago.... Manchu + Han already one family liao. just like MY,after 1957...we all becum malaysian liao.  |
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 01:57 AM) Japs were descendants of Wu. The Emishi were a group of people who lived in northeastern Honshu in what is today known as the Tohoku region. They are referred to as michi no oku in contemporary sources. Some Emishi tribes opposed and resisted the rule of the Japanese Emperors during the late Nara and early Heian periods (7th–10th centuries AD). More recently, scholars believe that they were natives of northern Honshu who were descendants of those who produced the Jōmon culture. They are thought to have been related to the Ainu. The separate ethnic status of the Emishi is not in doubt, based on a separate language from Japanese that scholars have not been able to reconstruct, but can be inferred from the use of interpreters who were needed to communicate between the Japanese and the Emishi, and the many Ainoid place names left in the Tōhoku. The famous Emishi generals who fought in the Thirty-Eight Years' War (AD 774 to 811), Moro and Aterui, have non-Japanese names as well.     Yamato (Japanese People) Origin from Baekje / Goguryeo / Silla Of Korea Some of the famous (not all) clans in Feudal Japan. Soga Clan 蘇我氏 Ouchi Clan 大内氏 Gwisil Clan 鬼室 Kikuchi clan 菊池氏 Kudara no Konikishi clan 百済王 Shōna clan 肖奈 Koma clan 高麗 Nakatomi clan 中臣氏 Fujiwara clan 藤原氏 Tachibana clan 橘氏 Tatara clan 多々良氏 Sue clan 陶氏 Taira clan 平氏* "According to Shinsen-shōjiroku (新撰姓氏録), a list of aristocratic names officially compiled by the Yamato Imperial Court in 815, one-third of the noble families on the list had their origins in China or Korea. Of the 1,182 listed, 163 were from China, and more than 240 were from the Korean peninsula (104 from Baekje, 41 from Goguryeo, and 9 from Silla)." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRlBWzz00os |
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Aug 23 2010, 08:58 AM) confirm the japs descended from monkeys, coz this just look like one. |
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Battle of Wits aka (Bokko @ Mohist)
Final Chapter Bokko Manga Volume 11      |
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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Aug 23 2010, 02:15 AM) really? so ur saying their high school chick oso surgery eh? then i rest my case... I guess so they go for plastic surgery in the womb. i think this is ok wut... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « or something wrong wit my taste? |
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 01:57 AM) Normal koreans are ugly. Thats why do plastic surgery la. What a racist opinion. As for Japs descended from Wu, how about the myth of Qin Shi Huang sent some men to look for the "living forever antidote"? Japs were descendants of Wu. The Japanese were descended from the Yayoi, Jomon, Ainu people. |
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Aug 22 2010, 11:50 PM) mandarin language came from mongolia Wrong. Mongolian language belongs to the Altaic family, in the same group as Turkic. Mandarin originated from the LiaoNing dialect pioneered by the Manchu ruler. |
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 12:22 AM) More than 2000 years ago, chinese already has agricultural invention like ploughing the fields with a bull, vertical lined planting of seeds to allow better yield and prevent birds from eating the seeds while europeans were still scattering seeds by hand with little yield. Weaponry too, with crossbows and magazine pack similar to machine guns. The crossbow originated from my ancestor, the "Hun" or "XiongNu" and the ancient Han Chinese copied from them when they had to battle with those nomads during the Qin and Han dynasty. |
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QUOTE(natzakaria @ Aug 23 2010, 10:15 AM) I guess so they go for plastic surgery in the womb. no lah, that pic is before her surgery and i think she looks ok, decent. no need for surgery.but after surgery, her face is like this  pretty |
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Aug 23 2010, 01:18 PM
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Jurchen (Manchu) Invasion in Korea
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Aug 23 2010, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ May 11 2010, 04:51 PM) i heard that 'chinese' hate manchu people and say they are not 'chinese'. why? what make 'chinese' chinese? they have the same color skin, slanted eyes, ching chong language oso. Never heard of it.....period |
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Aug 23 2010, 01:27 PM
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mandarin is just a language to connect all chinese...
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Aug 23 2010, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(pml_318 @ Aug 23 2010, 01:24 PM) Never heard of it.....period Yeah that was true. In fact, the slogan voiced out by Dr Sun Yat Sen to topple the Qing monarchy is: " Manchus are barbarian, restore the Han". Something like this, but not exact word by word. The Manchus were sinocized and that save them, otherwise, the presence of hatred between Manchu and Han did exist. |
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Aug 23 2010, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 10:21 AM) Wrong. Mongolian language belongs to the Altaic family, in the same group as Turkic. Mandarin originated from the LiaoNing dialect pioneered by the Manchu ruler. well i told them but they dont believe.... its not surprise, just look at korea, manchu and mandarin, the sounds almost similar, they dont have lots of ching chang chua, like in "chinese"(han)... the have more soft word like shi chul da... like that.... and probably, most of the "chinese"(han) culture like cloth, writing system, are also descended from the manchus |
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Aug 23 2010, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(Fadly @ Aug 23 2010, 08:49 AM) I believe Zheng He is from Ming Dynasty, a precursor to Qing Dynasty. He's a Muslim Eunuch. Though there's rumour that the first Ming Emperor is a Muslim, but in general, Ming Dynasty is purely Chinese. There was a rumor which said that Zhu Yuan Zhang, the funder of Ming Dynasty was a Muslim of Hui descent. However, this cannot be verified and unfounded claim. The fact was that his famous generals that Hu Dahai, Mu Ying, Lan Yu, Feng Sheng and Ding Dexing. were Muslims. |
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Aug 23 2010, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(Band Aid @ Aug 7 2010, 02:57 PM) so i heard Lin Dan is manchu while LCW is han? Lin Dan = Hakka = Han. |
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Aug 23 2010, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Aug 23 2010, 01:29 PM) well i told them but they dont believe.... its not surprise, just look at korea, manchu and mandarin, the sounds almost similar, they dont have lots of ching chang chua, like in "chinese"(han)... the have more soft word like shi chul da... like that.... and probably, most of the "chinese"(han) culture like cloth, writing system, are also descended from the manchus Mandarin borrowed some Altaic words, but it's still a language that classified as Tibeto-Burmese group. It's from the dialect of Han Chinese that resided in the Manchu territory of Liao Ning. Since they were the majority there outnumbering the Manchus, the Manchus adopted this language and publicized into the whole of its territory. The Manchu language might have some commonality with Mongolian and even Turkic. Even the earliest Manchu name such as Nurhaci Abahai, Dorgon did not have any Chinese influence. Later, they became sinocized. |
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Aug 23 2010, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 10:19 AM) What a racist opinion. As for Japs descended from Wu, how about the myth of Qin Shi Huang sent some men to look for the "living forever antidote"? No wonder they all have weird sex fetish and even eat shitThe Japanese were descended from the Yayoi, Jomon, Ainu people. QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 10:23 AM) The crossbow originated from my ancestor, the "Hun" or "XiongNu" and the ancient Han Chinese copied from them when they had to battle with those nomads during the Qin and Han dynasty. All chinese la. What Han what mongol. All ching eyes = chinese. Dont be racist.Crossbow is chinese invention. |
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Aug 23 2010, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 01:42 PM) No wonder they all have weird sex fetish and even eat shit You mean all of them eat shit? What folly is this? All chinese la. What Han what mongol. All ching eyes = chinese. Dont be racist. Crossbow is chinese invention. No, Mongol is Mongol, Han Chinese is Han Chinese, you both are not the same either in food, culture, way of life, and even appearance. Crossbow was invented by the Hun/Xiongnu Altaic nomads, they are not Han Chinese. Of course you guys recorded in your version of the history after plagiarizing from us, I mean, from the Hun and claimed as your own. The fact was that Han Wu Di （汉武帝） had a hard time in subjugating the northern nomad and later admired their skills in archery. He later copied from the Hun/Xiongnu and defeated them. The present descendant of the Hun/XiongNu nomads now are the Mongols and Turk. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 01:57 PM) You mean all of them eat shit? What folly is this? 2girls1cup QUOTE No, Mongol is Mongol, Han Chinese is Han Chinese, you both are not the same either in food, culture, way of life, and even appearance. Appearance the same. Different language and culture and food, but still the same cinapek stock. chingky eyes, slithering tongue, and asian build. If you say mongols are black, then yes, different race. But in the end, all are chinese stock. Its like you saying Indons are not Malays  QUOTE Crossbow was invented by the Hun/Xiongnu Altaic nomads, they are not Han Chinese. Of course you guys recorded in your version of the history after plagiarizing from us, I mean, from the Hun and claimed as your own. No such thing as Han chinese. Either its Indon, Indian or Chinese. Dont be a racist. No wonder one of your kind got C4. QUOTE The fact was that Han Wu Di （汉武帝） had a hard time in subjugating the northern nomad and later admired their skills in archery. He later copied from the Hun/Xiongnu and defeated them. Nomads are the most uncivilized people that time. Act rough and tough but no brains.The present descendant of the Hun/XiongNu nomads now are the Mongols and Turk. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:04 PM
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lu mongol keluar dari sini balik mohol !
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Aug 23 2010, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE Appearance the same. Different language and culture and food, but still the same cinapek stock. chingky eyes, slithering tongue, and asian build. If you say mongols are black, then yes, different race. But in the end, all are chinese stock. Its like you saying Indons are not Malays Dumb response. Indonesian and Malays are of one stock with similar culture and language. Han Chinese and Mongols are not the same, even the genetic prove this. We possess haplogroup mtDNA C3 and R1N1, you guys possess the O3, O2. It's you guys that similar with the Malays genetically. And I am no racist, genetics speak louder than words. I am all for one humanity. I even doubt that you are Chinese considering your slur against them. QUOTE Nomads are the most uncivilized people that time. Act rough and tough but no brains. At least we occupied and ruled you guys for 1000 years. Some under the Khitan, some under Jurchen, then the Mongols, then the Manchus. What a loser. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 02:09 PM) Dumb response. Indonesian and Malays are of one stock with similar culture and language. Han Chinese and Mongols are not the same, even the genetic prove this. We possess haplogroup mtDNA C3 and R1N1, you guys possess the O3, O2. It's you guys that similar with the Malays genetically. And I am no racist, genetics speak louder than words. I am all for one humanity. I even doubt that you are Chinese considering your slur against them. Rubbish. Your eyes betray you, chinky boy. Dont be a racist and discriminate. All are the same, except when you get the H1N1 DNA, then you're on your own QUOTE At least we occupied and ruled you guys for 1000 years. Some under the Khitan, some under Jurchen, then the Mongols, then the Manchus. Yea, and after that? You guys are still nomadic and eats horse meat and drinks horse penis soup. What a loser. Manchus are also chinese with different dialect. All the same. Same stock. Same eyes. Same yellowness. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 02:22 PM) Rubbish. You are uneducated in physiognomy and anatomical science, not even care to read books related to genetic. Ignorant. Your eyes betray you, chinky boy. Dont be a racist and discriminate. All are the same, except when you get the H1N1 DNA, then you're on your own Yea, and after that? You guys are still nomadic and eats horse meat and drinks horse penis soup. Manchus are also chinese with different dialect. All the same. Same stock. Same eyes. Same yellowness. I am mixed, Afghan and Mongol, and proud of being nomadic root. "You guys are still nomadic and eats horse meat and drinks horse penis soup." Stupid dumb. No wonder the Mongols chased you guys out from their country. Manchus are not your people, shameless goon. Claim this and claim that, like a moron. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:29 PM
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lol cool down bro, they some ppl genetic like to claim and talk nonsense..
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Aug 23 2010, 02:29 PM
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see, y the han hate manchu? manchu gov was better than them han
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Aug 23 2010, 02:34 PM
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its like why sg better than my
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Aug 23 2010, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Aug 23 2010, 02:29 PM) see, y the han hate manchu? manchu gov was better than them han Actually, the present border of People's Republic of China was carved by the Qing Manchu dynasty. The original name for the dynasty was Amaga Aisin Gurun. See, it's not even sound Mandarin at all. They changed the name later. The Manchus were in fact quite ruthless. They instituted the "Ponytail Law" that compelled all the Han Chinese to shave their forehead and keep a ponytail behind. Those who resisted were killed. That's because hair is considered as sacred by the Han Chinese and the Manchus tried downgrade them. The Manchus were also responsible for the massacre of Oirat Mongols in XinJiang area and virtually eliminated all of them. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:37 PM
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All hail the great Chinese, where when they weren't busy fighting each other, they get buttseks by the mongols, manchus, europeans and japanese.
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Aug 23 2010, 02:40 PM
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This was the ponytail coerced upon by the Manchu against the Han Chinese population:
 Those who resisted, was killed. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:42 PM
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At the end the Han embraced the ponytail what.
Wong Fei Hung kat killed people with his ponytail yo. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(Gr3yL3gion @ Aug 23 2010, 02:42 PM) At the end the Han embraced the ponytail what. Yeah, they had to otherwise life will be threaten. But I prefer the long hair Tang and Ming Dynasty era, looks better.Wong Fei Hung kat killed people with his ponytail yo. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 02:46 PM) Yeah, they had to otherwise life will be threaten. But I prefer the long hair Tang and Ming Dynasty era, looks better. Assimilation goes both side bro, the Hans got what they deserved prior to the Manchu invasion. Their emperor was sick and seriously incompetent. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 02:26 PM) You are uneducated in physiognomy and anatomical science, not even care to read books related to genetic. Ignorant. Oh, so now you're a taliban scum? Hows the opium there? Your people also grow nice opiums.I am mixed, Afghan and Mongol, and proud of being nomadic root. "You guys are still nomadic and eats horse meat and drinks horse penis soup." Stupid dumb. No wonder the Mongols chased you guys out from their country. Manchus are not your people, shameless goon. Claim this and claim that, like a moron. Manchus are chinese, just like vietnamese are also chinese. Language different, but still the same stock. Get your facts right QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Aug 23 2010, 02:29 PM) see, y the han hate manchu? manchu gov was better than them han Manchu government sucks. As in all dynasty, sure got rebel. |
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Aug 23 2010, 02:59 PM
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if vietnamese is chinese, then
korean, japanese chinese also? i.e. manchu chinese han chinese vietnameese chinese japanese chinese korean chinese by the way are there still machurians around? |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:02 PM
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Yeah,
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 02:55 PM) Oh, so now you're a taliban scum? Hows the opium there? Your people also grow nice opiums. You are one of the most ignorant people I have encountered. The Viets are Chinese, the Manchus are Chinese, everyone are Chinese. The Chimps? Manchus are chinese, just like vietnamese are also chinese. Language different, but still the same stock. Get your facts right Manchu government sucks. As in all dynasty, sure got rebel. And dumb brain, not everyone is Taliban scum and they are sizable number of Hazara people who descended directly from the army of Chinggis Khaan in the northern area there. Perhaps your knowledge of history is very low. You know nothing about anything. Get loss. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE Nomads are the most uncivilized people that time. Act rough and tough but no brains. Some nomads and barbarians are more advance at some area then their more civilized counterpart. Germanic tribes for example, posses better metalurgical technology then Rome for sometime. The Steppe nomads created Composite Bow, the most technological advance Bow of that time, which the civilized people from east to west copied. in fact, Mongols archery was so advance, they even have different arrow for different purpose. Mongols general Subotai was also the first General in history who initiate two simultaneous battle, thousand kilometres apart, in a single operation. Nobody can match this feat until the creation of the proper radio communication during WW1. Mongol army advanced at a rate as far as 120km a day, a feat unmatched until WW2. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(Fadly @ Aug 23 2010, 03:11 PM) Some nomads and barbarians are more advance at some area then their more civilized counterpart. Germanic tribes for example, posses better metalurgical technology then Rome for sometime. The Steppe nomads created Composite Bow, the most technological advance Bow of that time, which the civilized people from east to west copied. in fact, Mongols archery was so advance, they even have different arrow for different purpose. Mongols general Subotai was also the first General in history who initiate two simultaneous battle, thousand kilometres apart, in a single operation. Nobody can match this feat until the creation of the proper radio communication during WW1. Mongol army advanced at a rate as far as 120km a day, a feat unmatched until WW2. The "Ayamkambing" goon get pawned. Agreed. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:27 PM
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Oh! and Mongols are more akin to Atilla the Hun then Sun Tzu
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Aug 23 2010, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Aug 23 2010, 02:59 PM) if vietnamese is chinese, then korean, japanese chinese also? i.e. manchu chinese han chinese vietnameese chinese japanese chinese korean chinese by the way are there still machurians around? QUOTE(Gr3yL3gion @ Aug 23 2010, 03:02 PM) Yeah, True. Chinese are the epitome of human evolution. it's like Malay also Chinese Indon also Chinese Everything also Chinese All your base are belong to us kinda Chinese. QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 03:11 PM) You are one of the most ignorant people I have encountered. The Viets are Chinese, the Manchus are Chinese, everyone are Chinese. The Chimps? The chimps are the humans. Everyone evolved from a monkey.And dumb brain, not everyone is Taliban scum and they are sizable number of Hazara people who descended directly from the army of Chinggis Khaan in the northern area there. Perhaps your knowledge of history is very low. You know nothing about anything. Get loss. afghans are still scums. Treating their women like shit. QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 03:13 PM) The "Ayamkambing" goon get pawned. Agreed. Quite unlikely. Good in warfare don't make them civilized. It just proves their warmongering skills are beasty, territorial animals. Proves my point. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 03:28 PM) True. Chinese are the epitome of human evolution. You are the most uncivilized here. You are the scum. Chinese are the epitome of human evolution? You are drinking vodka?The chimps are the humans. Everyone evolved from a monkey. afghans are still scums. Treating their women like shit. Quite unlikely. Good in warfare don't make them civilized. It just proves their warmongering skills are beasty, territorial animals. Proves my point. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 03:42 PM) You are the most uncivilized here. You are the scum. Chinese are the epitome of human evolution? You are drinking vodka? See, typical of how mongols react. You can't refute my points, so thats all you know with your adhominems. Typical. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(Fadly @ Aug 23 2010, 03:27 PM) Oh! and Mongols are more akin to Atilla the Hun then Sun Tzu Of course the Mongols contributed towards civilization. There are even researched paper for that, wait...Here: http://pdfcast.org/pdf/the-mongols-in-world-history |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 03:43 PM) See, typical of how mongols react. You can't refute my points, so thats all you know with your adhominems. Typical. I have no issue with you. You are just like to insult and made fun. Read the PDF document I provided above. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE Quite unlikely. Good in warfare don't make them civilized. It just proves their warmongering skills are beasty, territorial animals. Proves my point. Being uncivilized doesn't make them no brainer. And thinking that civilized people allways at the forefront of the technological edge is also wrong. QUOTE The chimps are the humans. Everyone evolved from a monkey. A theory at the brink of a total rejection. As we learn more of human body, it's is increasingly diffcult to fit a chimps in the annals of human evolution. Darwin are ancients history, just like Ptolemy wo said the earth is the centre of the universe. I believe Apes are the demoted form of normal human. that means the ape evolved from human. This post has been edited by Fadly: Aug 23 2010, 03:51 PM |
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QUOTE(Fadly @ Aug 23 2010, 03:45 PM) Being uncivilized doesn't make them no brainer. And thinking that civilized people allways at the forefront of the technological edge is also wrong. I think it's a misunderstanding. Darwin never said that human descended from Chimps. This is creationists' effort to attack a strawman. Darwin merely theorized that Human and Chimpanzee may had shared similar ancestor. He never believe in chimpanzee evolved to become human.A theory at the brink of a total rejection. As we learn more of human body, it's is increasingly diffcult to fit a chimps in the annals of human evolution. Darwin are ancients history, just like Ptolemy wo said the earth is the centre of the universe. This is a misunderstanding. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 03:45 PM) I have no issue with you. You are just like to insult and made fun. The one doing the insults is you. Typical la. What can I expect from mongols and afghans. Read the PDF document I provided above.  QUOTE(Fadly @ Aug 23 2010, 03:45 PM) Being uncivilized doesn't make them no brainer. And thinking that civilized people allways at the forefront of the technological edge is also wrong. I never said they were stupid. I only mentioned about not being civilized enough. QUOTE A theory at the brink of a total rejection. As we learn more of human body, it's is increasingly diffcult to fit a chimps in the annals of human evolution. Darwin are ancients history, just like Ptolemy wo said the earth is the centre of the universe. As you learn more about science and discoveries, the Creation theory crumbles as you have no evidence whatsovever of anything more stupid than a being called gawd! Darwin isn't ancient. Science is progressive. Fossils proved creation wrong. Heck, you can't even prove there's a god! and which one! |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 03:50 PM) I think it's a misunderstanding. Darwin never said that human descended from Chimps. This is creationists' effort to attack a strawman. Darwin merely theorized that Human and Chimpanzee may had shared similar ancestor. He never believe in chimpanzee evolved to become human. You're quite smart for a mongol.This is a misunderstanding. I'm very surprised. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE The one doing the insults is you. Typical la. What can I expect from mongols and afghans. Okay Okay Zaraki Kenpachi Bleach fanboy. Just read the evidence I provided above. They were not as you think they are. Historical knowledge is progressive, some of your preconceived notion might not be on the truest side. Get it. Peace. |
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Aug 23 2010, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 03:52 PM) You're quite smart for a mongol. We are always smarter. God loves us.I'm very surprised. |
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Why Indon hate Malay?
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QUOTE(randyhow @ Aug 23 2010, 04:06 PM) Why Indon hate Malay? coz malay hate indon (maybe their attitude) who cares?? This post has been edited by sif3693: Aug 23 2010, 04:08 PM |
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 03:53 PM) Okay Okay Zaraki Kenpachi Bleach fanboy. Just read the evidence I provided above. They were not as you think they are. Historical knowledge is progressive, some of your preconceived notion might not be on the truest side. Get it. Peace. I don't follow corrupt media. QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 03:56 PM) We are always smarter. God loves us. Not smart enough, unfortunately. For one to say "God", its clear indication of a delusional mentality there. |
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 04:09 PM) I don't follow corrupt media. Even Albert Einstein used the term "God" in many of his writing and speech. If he was delusional, than you are..............Not smart enough, unfortunately. For one to say "God", its clear indication of a delusional mentality there. No, I think he was way smarter than you. |
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QUOTE I don't follow corrupt media. You refused to read the evidence that run contrary to your prejudice. Typical Han. |
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QUOTE(sif3693 @ Aug 23 2010, 04:07 PM) coz malay hate indon (maybe their attitude) who cares?? ya.. rite... Malay don't care Indon hate Malay.. but they care on other race hate others... hence this thread... |
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 04:10 PM) Even Albert Einstein used the term "God" in many of his writing and speech. If he was delusional, than you are.............. He used the term doesnt denote him believing blindly. No, I think he was way smarter than you. The fact that you're into imaginary things proves delusional. |
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ May 11 2010, 04:59 PM) manchurian = bad guys more like my race/side = good guys because i am gaining benefit han = good guys other race = bad guys because i am not gaining benefit and butthurt to be rule by other race no offence i love chinese history too , really wish the history would be different if only China goes on campaign to conquest on the west ( i think they are capable to do so.. ) too bad too much internal problems within the great empire? |
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Aug 23 2010, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 23 2010, 04:34 PM) He used the term doesnt denote him believing blindly. You are more delusional than any creationists around. Arrogant.The fact that you're into imaginary things proves delusional. |
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Aug 23 2010, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 23 2010, 05:01 PM) You are more delusional than any creationists around. Arrogant. but you're the one believing in creation story, not me. |
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Aug 23 2010, 10:26 PM
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1,362 posts Joined: Nov 2005 From: k.terengganu.. alone.. with my bass...play.. alone
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chinese(han) n m,anchu are not samela... look also different
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Aug 24 2010, 03:00 AM
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QUOTE Why Indon hate Malay? Bit off topic, but i believe the Batik Issue, Rasa Sayange issue, the BENDERA and lately the detention of Malaysian fishermans by Indonesian authority inside Malaysian waters, is a sign of Indonesian Inferiority complex. somehow they try to overcompensate. This post has been edited by Fadly: Aug 24 2010, 03:01 AM |
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Aug 24 2010, 03:19 AM
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i m chinese n i dun hate manchu
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Aug 24 2010, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(tientien @ Aug 24 2010, 03:19 AM) i m chinese n i dun hate manchu of course u dont try living in china years back during manchu's qing dinasty ull be butthurt easy butthurt ppl kekekeke |
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Aug 24 2010, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(ah-kow @ May 11 2010, 04:52 PM) Han chinese hate the manchu chinese +1learn your history, indianman |
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Aug 24 2010, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Aug 23 2010, 10:26 PM) chinese(han) n m,anchu are not samela... look also different how different?QUOTE(LiLFreaK @ Aug 24 2010, 09:35 AM) of course u dont alot hate the emperor. many still fren fren with manchu and do business try living in china years back during manchu's qing dinasty ull be butthurt easy butthurt ppl kekekeke |
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Aug 24 2010, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 24 2010, 09:53 AM) how different? Please go study some anatomy and physiognomy, even their haplogroup mtDNA is different. The Manchus possess the haplogroup mtDNA N. alot hate the emperor. many still fren fren with manchu and do business  The Evenks, one of the remaining Tungusic-Manchu tribe that inhabited Eastern Russian, the old Manchuria.  Typical Han |
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Aug 24 2010, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 24 2010, 10:09 AM) Please go study some anatomy and physiognomy, even their haplogroup mtDNA is different. The Manchus possess the haplogroup mtDNA N. So how different is a manchu's anatomy compared to normal humans? The Evenks, one of the remaining Tungusic-Manchu tribe that inhabited Eastern Russian, the old Manchuria. Typical Han |
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Aug 24 2010, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE So how different is a manchu's anatomy compared to normal humans? Ha ha ha. |
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Aug 24 2010, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 24 2010, 10:24 AM) Ha ha ha. You don't realize how stupid you sounded when you mentioned anatomy differences? Here, a manchu for you  And a Han for you  Whats the difference? |
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Aug 24 2010, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 24 2010, 10:47 AM) You don't realize how stupid you sounded when you mentioned anatomy differences? han easily butthurt if to the race that is leading the country? and filled with hatred and racism? Here, a manchu for you And a Han for you Whats the difference? This post has been edited by LiLFreaK: Aug 24 2010, 10:51 AM |
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Aug 24 2010, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 24 2010, 10:47 AM) You don't realize how stupid you sounded when you mentioned anatomy differences? The Manchus you posted had already heavily sinocized. Of course look a bit similar with any typical Han. And yes, they don't look completely identical, despite your unclear black and white photos comparison. The Manchu guy possesses high cheek bone and probably if the picture is a colored one, he might have some rosy red on his cheek, which will clearly be absence in a typical Han's feature, especially SOUTHERN HAN. Here, a manchu for you And a Han for you Whats the difference?  Pure Evenk( Tungusic Manchu)  Typical Han I said physiognomy and anatomy, which itself is a field of science. You sounded stupid when you can't comprehend basic terminology. |
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Aug 24 2010, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 24 2010, 10:57 AM) The Manchus you posted had already heavily sinocized. Of course look a bit similar with any typical Han. And yes, they don't look completely identical, despite your unclear black and white photos comparison. The Manchu guy possesses high cheek bone and probably if the picture is a colored one, he might have some rosy red on his cheek, which will clearly be absence in a typical Han's feature, especially SOUTHERN HAN. I dont see any difference at all. High cheekbones are not uncommon. Pure Evenk( Tungusic Manchu) Typical Han I said physiognomy and anatomy, which itself is a field of science. You sounded stupid when you can't comprehend basic terminology. Rosy cheek? go over to cameron highlands. Lots of people there have rosy cheeks. When you said anatomy differences, do point out WHAT. Dont just copy past stuffs from internuts. Elaborate them. Go on. Dont be shy. Prove to me whats the difference between han and manchu. |
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Aug 24 2010, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE I dont see any difference at all. High cheekbones are not uncommon. Rosy cheek? go over to cameron highlands. Lots of people there have rosy cheeks. rolleyes.gif When you said anatomy differences, do point out WHAT. Dont just copy past stuffs from internuts. Elaborate them. Go on. Dont be shy. Prove to me whats the difference between han and manchu. Typical Han want to link themselves with the Manchus. For Richard Dawkin's sake, you are not interested in healthy discussion, I noticed that when you refused to read about the contribution of nomadic empire to the world I posted before. Nice try to troll and provoke.  Typical Han  Buryat Use your eyes to see, you are not prepared to yet to differentiate yellowish, reddish, prominent cheekbone, almond eyes, etc. These are hard stuffs for you, just simple photo comparison is sufficient.  |
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Aug 24 2010, 11:37 AM
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U got rickrolled by ayamkambing liao haha.
Even the Hans, there are differences between the North & South. Northern Han normally very fair & tall wth pincky cheek whereas..Southern..like M'sian chinese lor..haha |
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Aug 24 2010, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(kenmirzz @ Aug 24 2010, 11:26 AM) Typical Han want to link themselves with the Manchus. For Richard Dawkin's sake, you are not interested in healthy discussion, I noticed that when you refused to read about the contribution of nomadic empire to the world I posted before. Nice try to troll and provoke. Inconclusive evidence from the pics.Typical Han Buryat Use your eyes to see, you are not prepared to yet to differentiate yellowish, reddish, prominent cheekbone, almond eyes, etc. These are hard stuffs for you, just simple photo comparison is sufficient. I've come across almond eye and prominent cheekbones and reddish skins of chinese. Heck, some are even brown skinned. What does that make them? Must be a manchu or a malay? Both pic of two people still look "chinese" regardless. You're forgetting how the gene pool gets all mixed up for centuries. Added on August 24, 2010, 12:41 pm QUOTE(stimix @ Aug 24 2010, 11:37 AM) U got rickrolled by ayamkambing liao haha. but to ken, it must be the manchus to have pinky cheeks.... not the Hans. See how erroneous his facts are?Even the Hans, there are differences between the North & South. Northern Han normally very fair & tall wth pincky cheek whereas..Southern..like M'sian chinese lor..haha This post has been edited by ayamkambing: Aug 24 2010, 12:41 PM |
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Aug 24 2010, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE I've come across almond eye and prominent cheekbones and reddish skins of chinese. Heck, some are even brown skinned. What does that make them? Must be a manchu or a malay? Both pic of two people still look "chinese" regardless. That's because the so called have Altaic nomad blood in them. Somewhere along the line of their ancestor, they mixed with either Manchus or other nomadic people. Do not forget that many of the Northern dynasties were non-Han Chinese, such as Liao, Jin, Northern Wei, Yuan, etc. |
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Aug 26 2010, 11:13 AM
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408 posts Joined: Nov 2006 From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
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Manchukuo (Manchuria) 1938
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16IVkiVQut8 |
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Aug 31 2010, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(ayamkambing @ Aug 24 2010, 12:40 PM) Inconclusive evidence from the pics. Yeah, it's the Manchus that solely possess the Pinky cheek. Those Han Chinese mixed with the Manchus to acquire such trait.I've come across almond eye and prominent cheekbones and reddish skins of chinese. Heck, some are even brown skinned. What does that make them? Must be a manchu or a malay? Both pic of two people still look "chinese" regardless. You're forgetting how the gene pool gets all mixed up for centuries. Added on August 24, 2010, 12:41 pm but to ken, it must be the manchus to have pinky cheeks.... not the Hans. See how erroneous his facts are? |
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