Long ago, with no sound, some BH can also attract a lot of birds. Long ago, with no aroma, some BH also success. Long ago......

Now a day, I bet you would not want to use bird sound with car or motor horn sounds in it.

We should learn from history and not to repeat the same mistake. We should not use back the expensive hi-fi system that cost >10K. But we should always experiment and fine tune what we know is working to make it better.

This is human nature. Otherwise your handphone will always remain as "Big brother" handphone, only use for voice communication if we satisfy and stay in "Long ago".

Now a day, number of BH increase exponentially. More people are aware the basic Swiftlet Farming knowledge. So, anything that can give your BH a slightly advantage over your neighbour BH at reasonable cost, we should give it a try.

I always keep by mind open and try to learn new things everyday. My good friend told me that the good quality tweeters do not help much. Well, with 1K extra, why not give it a try? Think about it, why people use bird sound to extract birds? If our tweeters can reproduce more natural sounds, would it better?

Hi CWG,

Well said.

Looking at your bullet tweeter specification. I think it'll do a good job, considering it's frequency response.
What type of tweeter is it?
Is it with magnetic coil or is it a piezo type?
How can we use it as internal sound tweeter?

If I choose to use this one, my cost of internal sound tweeters will be 10 times more than the normal cheap one.

I am not that choosy with external tweeter as I think to attract birds to our house is not that difficult.
I think to lure them to stay and make nest is a very challenging step.
Apart from design, micro conditions and aroma, internal sound which included type of tweeter, installation method and position of tweeter are very very important.
I think with the right (not necessarily means expensive) tweeters, we might not need so many tweeters as people do now.

I saw from the CCTV that birds ignored bad tweeters and internal sound.
Many Sifu knew about this secret, but understandably, they wouldn't want to reveal it to newbie.
They would rather make $$$$ from it.

Some can be very successful with very low cost tweeters, no problem, so be it.
We, the late comer, need to find every other possible ways to make a short cut, if we can.

The problem now is to find the right one at the right cost to speed up the no. of birds and of course no. of nests.

I use the cheapo RM1 tweeter for my internal sound. So far can lure the birds to make nests near it. Surprisingly, these RM1 tweeter very durable. I never need to replace any single piece of my internal tweeter for over a year now.
As for putting a better quality internal tweeter, to me it is quite hard (lazy) to measure the effectiveness of better quality tweeters. We never know if the increased number of nests is really due to better sound quality or the internal sound we changed or played or due to something else. I set the the internal sound volume quite low at about the same level to that of the actual bird's chirping sound level in BH. At low volume level, my non audiophile ears just can't distinguish the clarity between the sound produced by both RM1 tweeter and a better quality tweeter.
For external, I use a RM10 tweeter with built-in condenser capacitor and copper coil. These tweeter are louder and better clarity at higher sound volume but not as durable as the cheapo RM1 tweeter even for internal used.
All BH's sound equipments can be abundantly available at Jalan Pasar KL. Most shops offer sound testing before purchase. There is one shop even play swiftlets chirping sound at the shop's kaki lima.

Jalan Pasar............I have heard of it many time but I tried twice to go but fail and even my GPS fail me. How to get there, my friend and is it really good and I heard that this Jalan is a very long street so which part of jalan Pasar are selling good BH equipments and cheap lah.

To add to the tweeters subject....according to my laymen's knowledge, for good tweeters to preform well, you need good amplifier and good player, right? Annd annd what's good is MP3 sound with good sound system which I heard from expert, MP3 is flat with not much up and down and worse, after many recording, it losses some of the quality, right?

So, may our panel of electronic experts here kindly clarified to solve these; Are what I believe or heard correct or wrong.

Above, are meant for discussion and no offence, pls.

Hi J, remember me ? I'm your customer. So.... you want to do it in Kajang ?

1) I'm not sure whether it is still a good idea to build a BH in town but building a new BH next to a existing successful BH is not a bad idea.
2) The new BH will definitely share the birds from the surrounding BH. But to me, the more the merrier. Off course not too many BH in one area.
3) If you have all the money but time, why not ? But it's fun to DIY too. You can learn better.
4) Got cheap and expensive way to do it. some people DIY 2 floors spent RM15k only for complete set up.

1) if given a choice i will not build at ' so call town'
2) other will build also
3) DIY will learn more n better. Think b4 any final decision
4) I just completed renovate a double storey in klang valley, 20 X 70 n total cost approximately Rm 15k n that excluded CCTV system. it a open roof type.

Hi friend

I would also like to comment on the subjects above. But before it, let me just advice you to do it @ agriculture land as this will definitely solve unwelcoming  or unforeseen problems later when the GP begin...................

1) Is it a good idea to build a new BH next to the existing BH?

My comment: As for me, I always like to build my Bh near successful birds area as it ensure success as compare to area hasn't tried out before, you take big risk......
2) Will this new BH "cannibalise" the existing BH?

My comment: No Cannibalism but rather contribution from other nearby BHs. You will not be taking from your dad's BH as those not wanting to stay will eventually fly to other place and infact you help to get back some for the family. With you next door, it will encourage more birds to come to the area as these swiftlets like crowd and they are happy in groups. 

3) Is it wise to hire a consultant? How much is the average consultancy fees. I've come across a few online but I don't know if the rate they charge is reasonable.

Comment: Well, engaging a Consultant by all mean if you have the mean. How much and it all depend on who and how bad you want them. You can negotiate with them for a better deal and ensure that an agreement is made with all documented like how many nests, how long and others and also make very sure that you hold back some balance incase the C fails to deliver as promised. There are good Consultant and also bad CON sultant so be wary.

4) The construction of the BH will cost 50k now according to my dad. Is it so?

My comment: It all depend on area and floor and how you wish to do it. Also, what are required. You can work your own extimated costing on your BH and I won't pay more than 20K for one floor.

5) Do most of you DIY the construction of the BH?

That's I don't know but I alway DIY my BHs and always regreted it as I don't have the time to supervise the work and end up having to do rework and rework cos those INDO don't seem to understand what I want.....so, if there is a reasonable builder (I rather not mentioned Consultant) , I will leave the work to him as then, it shall be his buz to ensure all are taken care off.

Above, are my own belief and experience to share with you....hope it help in a small way.

Jalan Pasar............I have heard of it many time but I tried twice to go but fail and even my GPS fail me. How to get there, my friend and is it really good and I heard that this Jalan is a very long street so which part of jalan Pasar are selling good BH equipments and cheap lah.

To add to the tweeters subject....according to my laymen's knowledge, for good tweeters to preform well, you need good amplifier and good player, right? Annd annd what's good is MP3 sound with good sound system which I heard from expert, MP3 is flat with not much up and down and worse, after many recording, it losses some of the quality, right?

So, may our panel of electronic experts here kindly clarified to solve these; Are what I believe or heard correct or wrong.

Above, are meant for discussion and no offence, pls.

Below is the definition in Wikipedia of MP3. Once it is in MP3 format, I don't think duplicate can degrade the quality because it already in Digital format. As long as the size of the file is the same, the quality should be about the same. 

"The compression works by reducing accuracy of certain parts of sound that are deemed beyond the auditory resolution ability of most people. "

I planning to to use 2x5" good tweeter as my internal tweeter which cost slight expensive than Audax 60. I will only use some bullet tweeters to play Pulling Sound inside my BH.

To verify whether the tweeter is good or not, I have done a simple experiment. I play some samples sound with different tweeters. I then recorded using Digital recorder. After that, I use Audio software to extract the Freq response of the recorded waveform and compare to the original waveform. From there, we can visually tell which tweeter produce sound closest to the original sound. 

http://yenyen-swiftlet-farming.blogspot.co...echo-sound.html

http://yenyen-swiftlet-farming.blogspot.co...sting-ext1.html

The new BH is belong to my Brother in law and is just next to my current BH. The macro factor are the same except the design. So I can compare the results with my current BH. I will share the results whether the good tweeter is effective or not.

I am looking for Dark Red Meranti, anyone has reliable source with reasonable price? Btw, what is the current market price?

Thanks

Hi CWG, can you tell me how many amplifier you will be using at any one time during the operation of your BH? 

I totally agree with you CWG, since some people already started a few years earlier then us and already stuff their BH full with swiftlet sure can say "aiya what speaker also can used lah" but me a late comer + DIY and have also buy expensive bird song from many sifu sure want to have a maximum return from my investment. Get good sound also no used if play it through lauya tweeter.

Okay we all have heard the swiftlet cry sound and many of us will remember it very clearly in our mind but how many can really differentiate the actual sound from the reproduce sound. As we know sound are just sound wave and we can not see it. Unless the tweeter really produce crappy sound we or most of us can not make the difference. For this we need tools that can help us see the sound. You might call me crazy but I want to let you in a little secret I can see the sound and it tell me my external tweeter is a little off from a true swiftlet sound. How you may ask well I use my trusty HTC android HP and running sound analyzer app. Like that I can see the sound lo.

A forum friend posted the following to me and I will try to comment here to share but if any friend here wishes to do so, I think that he will appreciate it.

"u are a swiflet farmer right? my mum is swiflet farmer as well. Can u recommend some songs that can lure people birds?

Currently my mum bh operates 20months and got nearly 1k nests inside. but 70meter away got 1 more bh which i think got a lot of birds since he operated for 3 years. Mine nearly 1.7years. Hope u can share with me"

My reply:

Sorry, I never consider myself as a farmer as I never like doing farming of any sort but I do love swiftlets so I considered myself as a Provider of swiftlets Sanctuaries.

Never try to lure neighbouring BH swiftlets as you will fail miserably but you may want it to contribute to your increment of nests.

By the way, other than your own birds, mostly new birds may build their nests in your BH but seldom the old ones. As in your case, only one other BH in the vicinity, so, pray that the other BH allows his birds to breed  and share or otherwise, you need to depend on your own and those from far away.

Lastly, Anyone wish to help in his conquest for latest good bird calls.

1) if given a choice i will not build at ' so call town'
2) other will build also
3) DIY will learn more n better. Think b4 any final decision
4) I just completed renovate a double storey in klang valley, 20 X 70 n total cost approximately Rm 15k n that excluded CCTV system. it a open roof type.

Hi Guys,

Where do you all source the Dark Red Meranti in Semenanjun (or Klang Valley specifically)?

I was quoted RM480/tonne by a blogger (James, anyone knows him?). I have no idea how many tonnes I'll need for a 22x75.

Thanks.