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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post Sep 14 2010, 08:59 PM

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Hello all BH owners,

I'm still new to this swiftlet farming thread. My dad has a 2-year-old BH which yields ~1.8kg of bird nests every 4-6 weeks. The BH occupies 2 units (floors) of his shops. He's just a passive 'farmer'. It's his friend who manages the BH for him and they split the harvest.

I'm interested to try building my own BH without relying on a third party like my dad's friend. I've read the book by Dr. Christoper Lim and would like to get my hands dirty. Next to my dad's existing BH, there's still a vacant unit (top floor) belongs to my dad. I suggested to him to allow me to use the unit as my testing ground. He's very sceptical because I have zero experience in this. So I'm going to gather more information and re-propose the idea to him. I have a few noob questions as following:-

1) Is it a good idea to build a new BH next to the existing BH?
2) Will this new BH "cannibalise" the existing BH?
3) Is it wise to hire a consultant? How much is the average consultancy fees. I've come across a few online but I don't know if the rate they charge is reasonable.
4) The construction of the BH will cost 50k now according to my dad. Is it so?
5) Do most of you DIY the construction of the BH?

That's for now. I hope any kind souls here will be able to help with my questions. I apologise in advance if my questions have been asked before in this thread.

Thank.

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post Sep 20 2010, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Sep 14 2010, 11:21 PM)
Hi J, remember me ? I'm your customer. So.... you want to do it in Kajang ?

1) I'm not sure whether it is still a good idea to build a BH in town but building a new BH next to a existing successful BH is not a bad idea.
2) The new BH will definitely share the birds from the surrounding BH. But to me, the more the merrier. Off course not too many BH in one area.
3) If you have all the money but time, why not ? But it's fun to DIY too. You can learn better.
4) Got cheap and expensive way to do it. some people DIY 2 floors spent RM15k only for complete set up.
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I'm J's brother. smile.gif There are already a few BHs in Kajang. My dad's BH is in Semenyih.

QUOTE(xunji @ Sep 15 2010, 10:34 AM)
1) if given a choice i will not build at ' so call town'
2) other will build also
3) DIY will learn more n better. Think b4 any final decision
4) I just completed renovate a double storey in klang valley, 20 X 70 n total cost approximately Rm 15k n that excluded CCTV system. it a open roof type.
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Sep 15 2010, 04:56 PM)
Hi friend

I would also like to comment on the subjects above. But before it, let me just advice you to do it @ agriculture land as this will definitely solve unwelcoming  or unforeseen problems later when the GP begin...................

1) Is it a good idea to build a new BH next to the existing BH?

My comment: As for me, I always like to build my Bh near successful birds area as it ensure success as compare to area hasn't tried out before, you take big risk......
2) Will this new BH "cannibalise" the existing BH?

My comment: No Cannibalism but rather contribution from other nearby BHs. You will not be taking from your dad's BH as those not wanting to stay will eventually fly to other place and infact you help to get back some for the family. With you next door, it will encourage more birds to come to the area as these swiftlets like crowd and they are happy in groups. 

3) Is it wise to hire a consultant? How much is the average consultancy fees. I've come across a few online but I don't know if the rate they charge is reasonable.

Comment: Well, engaging a Consultant by all mean if you have the mean. How much and it all depend on who and how bad you want them. You can negotiate with them for a better deal and ensure that an agreement is made with all documented like how many nests, how long and others and also make very sure that you hold back some balance incase the C fails to deliver as promised. There are good Consultant and also bad CON sultant so be wary.

4) The construction of the BH will cost 50k now according to my dad. Is it so?

My comment: It all depend on area and floor and how you wish to do it. Also, what are required. You can work your own extimated costing on your BH and I won't pay more than 20K for one floor.

5) Do most of you DIY the construction of the BH?

That's I don't know but I alway DIY my BHs and always regreted it as I don't have the time to supervise the work and end up having to do rework and rework cos those INDO don't seem to understand what I want.....so, if there is a reasonable builder (I rather not mentioned Consultant) , I will leave the work to him as then, it shall be his buz to ensure all are taken care off.

Above, are my own belief and experience to share with you....hope it help in a small way.
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Thanks guys for replying. I'll try to digest advice given and ponder what I'm going to do next.

Over the last few days I've talked with a few friends and relatives who seem to know a thing or two about this business. I learnt quite a bit from them.

Besides, I visited my dad's BH on Saturday. His partner was harvesting the nests and replacing the tweeters. I was quite pissed off by the uncle because he didn't allow my colleague to enter. shocking.gif Anyway I managed to snap some pictures and captured some videos of the BH. whistling.gif

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post Sep 22 2010, 12:09 PM

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Hi Guys,

Where do you all source the Dark Red Meranti in Semenanjun (or Klang Valley specifically)?

I was quoted RM480/tonne by a blogger (James, anyone knows him?). I have no idea how many tonnes I'll need for a 22x75.

Thanks.
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post Sep 22 2010, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Mykc @ Sep 22 2010, 12:22 PM)

Added on September 22, 2010, 12:24 pm

RM480/tonne??? shocking.gif

or RM4800/ton
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Yeah. I hope it's not a typo. The seller didn't reply me now.
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post Sep 22 2010, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Sep 22 2010, 04:46 PM)
Don't hope. Even the lowest grade "Chap Cha" are not selling as low. But if it is RM4800, than I would say is a bit pricey.
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I see. It must be a typo then.

Is it common to sell in tonnes? I thought it's by feet.

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post Oct 25 2010, 07:02 PM

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Dear All,

I'd like some advice on the positioning of entrance hole. There's one existing BH next door which has an open-roof entrance hole at the back. Is it ok to open a hole near (as in both holes are at the back of the shops) the existing hole in the new BH? Will the two entrance holes confuse the birds?

Thanks in advance.

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