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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post Jun 1 2010, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(waletjohor @ May 31 2010, 11:51 PM)
Hi all,
I Just purchased one bag of ammonia powder to be used in my BH.

But after putting the powder, the smell of it is so strong that my eyes actually waters and quite difficult to breath inside my bh!!

Is that ok for the bird or the powder should mix with other stuff to reduce the so strong effect?
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See my blog about my experience in using H3N1.
http://yenyen-swiftlet-farming.blogspot.com/

Other reader comments on H3N1
http://swiftletfarmingreview2.webs.com/h3n1.htm


Added on June 1, 2010, 9:56 am
QUOTE(1M'sia @ May 31 2010, 09:03 PM)
Hi everyone,

Anyone here use the H3N1 aroma before?

Mind to share your experience on this aroma?

Thanks.
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Opp...Replay wrongly. Should be for 1M'sia

This post has been edited by CWG: Jun 1 2010, 09:56 AM
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post Jun 14 2010, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jun 13 2010, 11:42 PM)
Brilliant idea  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif Why I wouldn't think of it in the 1st place. Slippery stainless steel sheet corner cover means no nest at the corner !!!  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

I only cover the corners at the unoccupied floor. I don't want too many corner nests.
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If your BH is new, don't put any corner plank first. Let the birds population grow first. New birds like corner very much. Changes is you may get 4 corners nest compare to only 1 180deg nest. Price for 4 corner nests should be better than 1 180deg nest right. Do what the birds like not what you wish.
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post Jun 16 2010, 03:25 PM

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刘天球称雪州养燕指南未拍板
燕窝商公会媒体谈话仅属建议
6月16日
中午 12点26分
ronnie liu pc 180809 02雪州政府最近希望推出养燕指南,加强管理近年来蓬勃发展的养燕业。不过,燕窝商公会日前针对该指南的谈话引起混淆,因此雪州行政议员刘天球(右图)澄清,雪州政府的养燕指南尚未最后拍板。

他表示,雪州政府目前尚在收集各方,尤其是养燕业者的意见,共同研究燕屋执照与商店改建燕屋指南,将于近期内颁布新政策。

刘天球今天发表文告,针对雪州政府上周展开两日的“雪州政府养燕漂白工作营”,发表上述谈话。

针对雪州燕窝商公会出席该项工作营后对记者发表谈话,指 90巴仙燕屋5年后须搬,以及9月1日前登记才获发执照,刘天球表示,这是雪州燕窝商公会在工作营所提出的建议,尚未成定局。

雪州政府仍在收集民意阶段

他指出,出席该工作营的单位包括市议会代表、土地局代表、雪州城市和乡区局代表、兽医局代表和雪州燕窝商公会。

“在这两天的工作营,各单位都非常积极提出看法和建议,不过我们还须收集和整理有关法律方面的细则,才能完成雪州养燕指南和政策,以便在州行政议会提呈并寻求通过,所以暂时未能公布任何决定。”

未赋燕窝商公会中介人角色

至于该公会表示能够协助业者向州政府登记申请执照,刘天球则表示,州政府目前为止尚未赋予雪州燕窝商公会扮演中介人的责任。

他说明,任何有疑问的业者,可直接联络刘天球州行政议员办公室询问详情,联络电话03-55447150。

根据报章报道,雪州燕窝商公会会长郭洪究在参加本月9日和10日“雪州政府养燕漂白工作营”后,向媒体表示,该会不能接纳引燕指南提出的数项条件,尤其是现有设在店屋的燕屋被合法化,必须在5年后搬迁。

他也宣称,燕屋合法化登记从 6月1日起到9月1日,业者可透过雪兰莪燕窝商公会协助办理合法化手续。

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post Jun 23 2010, 10:55 AM

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In my opinion, there are 2 types of people choose not to join Swiftlet Associations because:-
1. They don't know - Many people still don't know there is a swiftlet associations in their area. Is Swiftlet Associations job to go to each BH distribute flyer and educate them.

2. They know but the entry fee is too expensive - to those successful BH, RM3000 to RM5000 entry fee is nothing as compare to their million dollar BH. But to most of the newbie, they always have this questions, "What is the point to spend the money if my BH only has few nests or worst nothing".

I am sure if swiftlet association can adjust the entry fee based on the number of nests in the BH, a lot of people will join. Example RM500 for nests < 100 counts.
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post Jun 24 2010, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 23 2010, 03:34 PM)
Most of your local Swiftlets Associations only charge afew hundreds as entrance fee and little annual fee to maintain office expenses. The Associaiton need some fund to utilize in case of emergency and urgent matters to handle.

Most of those BH owners who didn't join are mostly ignorance or tidak apa altitude. Many of the BH owners here that didn't join up are those who refuse to believe that the govt. will tear down their BHs and those who never wish to cooperate.  Some even boost that so and so, VVIPs or the YTP is one of his close friends.

It is just like the case that farmers plant all the fruit trees but if the fruit trees bear fruits, the monkeys do have a share in the fruits.
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I checked before, Melaka Swiftlet Association entrance fee is RM3000. To me, that is expensive.
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post Jul 9 2010, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jul 8 2010, 07:33 PM)
The last time was RM4900. This week suddenly Rm4700 per KG for C-Cup @ 180 degree nests.  shakehead.gif

I think next time im gonna try West Wing method. Spray up to a certain level of wetness only then sell it. We here mostly sell to the same person anyway. The other middlemen offer less than that.

WW, can u share ur experience using humidifier? Currently im using 2units chicken soup with hornhat. Now im gonna need another humidifier. I plan to try ultrasonic humidifier like the one James and Pak Harry are selling. But then a friend of mine suggest Fujibin which is more pricey and realible.
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Well you can always DIY your own Super Humidifier. You just need 1 set at RM800. The mist output is 1800 litre/hour.


http://yenyen-swiftlet-farming.blogspot.co...ultrasonic.html
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post Aug 1 2010, 11:46 PM

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Anyone has a copy of Final GP that approved by cabinet?
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post Aug 20 2010, 10:39 AM

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If you are interested to get good and cheap Bazooka (< RM100), please refer to my blog below

http://yenyen-swiftlet-farming.blogspot.com/
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post Aug 30 2010, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 30 2010, 09:08 AM)
" Ask not what the country can do for you, ask what you can do for the country"
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Depend which country. If in Malaysia, the phrase not applicable because not all the races are being treated equally. sad.gif
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post Sep 13 2010, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Sep 12 2010, 01:13 PM)
Long holidays give us so much time to play !  Also much time for the YBs to delay announcements  arrgh the suspense.

There are 3 entrances, North, East and South.  Many people have mistaken my doors as in/out holes so I've an improved picture uploaded.

All the planks are from the same vendor, same batch and had been installed 2 yrs ago.  The birds have avoided this area since the first day.

Most popular in/out hole is the South hole as it overlooks a large unobstructed area. It has been noted that these birds like to fly over all obstructions and seldom fly in between trees, structures etc.

Judging from my case, birds prefer entrances that open over flat unobstructed areas of 50m or more.  My north hole has the tree line about 30m away whereas the South hole is flat to 100m away. The East hole overlooks the flat roof and is the least popular though also used by the birds.

The North hole requires a clockwise turn, the South hole an anti clockwise turn and the East is a straight flight in.

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Count it be your bird prefer some light? From the nests distribution, it show so.

East side is the darkest. You might want to put a low watt bulb that only turn on at 7am and off at 7.30pm to simulate the sun light.

90% of my nests at nesting plank that face the entrance hole. Some only 1 meter from my roving area.
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post Sep 19 2010, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Tweeter @ Sep 19 2010, 12:16 PM)
Thanks for all comments; Tuckfook, Mfyapp and WW.

I still haven't  found a good piezo tweeter.
Most of them in the market gave voice at high frequency. If with condenser/capacitor, voice will be even higher.
I want speaker that can play at 1500 hz- 20000 hz., which will give more natural sound than only the high frequency sound.
Those magnetic speakers can cover the required frequency range, but there are at much higher price. Not easy to install them correctly too.

You are right mfyapp, if we can test the sound as it will be in the BH first, that should be the best way for speaker selection process.

Any recommendation for the right piezo tweeter will be highly appreciate.
WW tweeters, sound good, what is the specification?
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Hi Tweeter,

Please refers to the comment on Bullet Bazooka. Those comments were written by users.

Bullet Bazooka Comments
Bullet BAzooka Comments.

I am in the process to build another BH. This time round, I am going to use good internal tweeters for my BH. I have calculated the cost and is only RM1K extra for 1 floor. If the results proven working with 10% increase in nest compare to normal tweeters, then I can easily get back my money. Remember we are talking about something like compounded interest.

On the other hand, if the results so so only, you only pay extra RM1K. Maybe less than that as the quality of tweeter is better and require less maintenance.
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post Sep 19 2010, 04:31 PM

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Long ago, with no sound, some BH can also attract a lot of birds. Long ago, with no aroma, some BH also success. Long ago......

Now a day, I bet you would not want to use bird sound with car or motor horn sounds in it.

We should learn from history and not to repeat the same mistake. We should not use back the expensive hi-fi system that cost >10K. But we should always experiment and fine tune what we know is working to make it better.

This is human nature. Otherwise your handphone will always remain as "Big brother" handphone, only use for voice communication if we satisfy and stay in "Long ago".

Now a day, number of BH increase exponentially. More people are aware the basic Swiftlet Farming knowledge. So, anything that can give your BH a slightly advantage over your neighbour BH at reasonable cost, we should give it a try.

I always keep by mind open and try to learn new things everyday. My good friend told me that the good quality tweeters do not help much. Well, with 1K extra, why not give it a try? Think about it, why people use bird sound to extract birds? If our tweeters can reproduce more natural sounds, would it better?


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post Sep 19 2010, 10:14 PM

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Below is the definition in Wikipedia of MP3. Once it is in MP3 format, I don't think duplicate can degrade the quality because it already in Digital format. As long as the size of the file is the same, the quality should be about the same.

"The compression works by reducing accuracy of certain parts of sound that are deemed beyond the auditory resolution ability of most people. "

I planning to to use 2x5" good tweeter as my internal tweeter which cost slight expensive than Audax 60. I will only use some bullet tweeters to play Pulling Sound inside my BH.

To verify whether the tweeter is good or not, I have done a simple experiment. I play some samples sound with different tweeters. I then recorded using Digital recorder. After that, I use Audio software to extract the Freq response of the recorded waveform and compare to the original waveform. From there, we can visually tell which tweeter produce sound closest to the original sound.

http://yenyen-swiftlet-farming.blogspot.co...echo-sound.html

http://yenyen-swiftlet-farming.blogspot.co...sting-ext1.html

The new BH is belong to my Brother in law and is just next to my current BH. The macro factor are the same except the design. So I can compare the results with my current BH. I will share the results whether the good tweeter is effective or not.

I am looking for Dark Red Meranti, anyone has reliable source with reasonable price? Btw, what is the current market price?

Thanks


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post Sep 21 2010, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(mfyapp @ Sep 20 2010, 12:59 AM)

Hi CWG, can you tell me how many amplifier you will be using at any one time during the operation of your BH?  thumbup.gif
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I am using 3 amp for internal and 2 amp for external.
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post Sep 27 2010, 10:51 PM

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All,

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post Nov 2 2010, 01:41 PM

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[quote=swiftcurrent,Nov 2 2010, 01:01 PM]
thumbup.gif The idea is to initially encourage the birds to start nesting. The "fake nests" in any form are to be removed during the first harvesting, some of the remnant of the nests left sticking behind on the beam would help the birds to cling on to make the next nest. If you have observed old bh, the planks and even smooth walls are covered with old nests markings hence no need for any grooves or fake nests.


Added on November 2, 2010, 1:09 pm

Do you think wire mesh cover the concrete plank will help?
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post Nov 4 2010, 05:22 PM

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how much is the KD process
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post Nov 8 2010, 11:43 AM

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For those in Melaka. Department of Veterinary Melaka is going to organize a Swiftlet Seminar on this coming Saturday 8.30am to 4.30pm. I called them up and asked whether the GAPH seminar that I attended 2 years ago organized by Veterinary Department still valid. They said NO. New Guideline need to attend again sad.gif . So, die die must attend otherwise can't get license. Is RM250.


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Added on November 20, 2010, 10:14 am
In the GP1, under section 4.3.2 a) semua pengusaha menjalani aktiviti perladangan burung walit perlu mengikuti GASP sekali sahaja so what that mean????????????? So, that So and So must be lying when he said NO to you so F*** him!
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2 years ago, 1GP or Melaka GP not even approved by cabinet. According to the officer, the latest GAPH explain the latest Melaka GP guideline. So we need to attend to understand what is the guideline for license application. Although is waste of time and money for me as I attended before, but at least I can see that Melaka government is seriously want to legalize the swiftlet farming.
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post Nov 22 2010, 03:21 PM

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For "Setia Ada" BH, you do not need to comply with the 50 meter or 100 meters from residential area. So, if your shop lot is close to residential area, by doing it now and register with JPV before the deadline, most likely your BH can get license.

You need to be friend with your neighbor. Most of the time, Majlis only come and check after receive complain.



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