Sifu WW,

If you send to Indo to clean, how are you gonna ensure what you get back is 100% nests lol??

You know indo cleaners aren't really known for their 100% genuine bird nests.

Not all Indo cleaners or traders are fake, this one is the most daring one I ever know in EBN industry

http://www.wongcoco.com.cn/html08/newsinfo74_1177.html

First from Indonesia, embraces "never ever produce Blood Nest" as their trademark. They even disclose seven crimes of Blood Nests....

The Chinese in China also must be blamed for the RED Nest issue as afew years ago, my China friend in Guangzhou who overheard for his friend that I have birdnests and asked me to bring some alone the next time I go there and which I did.

What's happened was when I was at his office, the friend wasn't there but his wife was and when I handed the white nests to her and her replied was" We don't eat white nests and only Red nests". Even after so much explanation that white nests is pure and Red has chemical added, she still persisted that Red nests was the Best and the only most healthy nests available and white nests were useless to health.

So you see, the Chinese were really stubborn people and nothing we can do to persuade them to change their mindset then. Sometime, I wonder if those rich people in China deserved these for insisting Red all these time and those making Red are just doing what being ordered and in the same time making trip to the Bank to bank in Red money.

Now, hopefully, they understand that White is better and very healthy than Red but also pray that they remain their birdnest eating habit.

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Added on October 16, 2011, 12:31 pmAs swift4ever said, there are good ones and bad ones. I haven't had any dealing with the cleaners cos I have my own cleaner i.e my dear wife but here we do have many like the great Kohloh who know all lubangs, and guys like Lim, Tan, Lee and many others can if willing to assist you in getting good support.

Since the price is low and you are not willing to sell, then process your own nest and sell locally. Oyes, taking about nests price, latest yesterday buyer price for corner is Rm2400/kg if you still have corner like me cos I don't care about price but the comfort of the bird. If the bird like corner, so be it and corner will stay until no corner.

Corner for Rm2400/kg and half cup for Rm2500/kg so there isn't any difference in price....... before half cup was Rm4500 and corner was Rm3500. Something very wrong somewhere and I smell rotten fishes. Personally, I think that the price has drop to the bottom already and about time it shall goes up..





This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 16 2011, 12:31 PM

It's more about "Piper plays for the wimps and fancies of payers" than being responsible for what we play or sell. Chinese of China seems to take pride in its own history, culture and achievements today that they feel they have a shot to dictate the market for what we sell is true. Have we been responsible for what we sell, the loss can be minimized.

After this storm, tomorrow would be a better day...

A little of my politic to share among friends.

I have this feeling...... Today China is already almost monopolizing the manufacturing industries and slowing with the gained strength of world economy will come the power to control ...first Asian and the world and this is what make the America scare and also the Japan weep.....America is getting weaker and weaker just like an old Lion King and soon a new young Lion King will be installed and So, that's why American is afraid of and so are many of its Allies.

With a population of one third world population and a super strong economy, no one can bring this new giant Lion to its kneel and only it's own people can and so I won't be surprised that the American will be trying hard to get the Chinese people to oppose against the government and by doing so, will weaken China and even divide it into many small pieces.

Almost everything formally were controlled by the American now are controlled by the Chinese. For example, the Chinese can force the price of metal up by buying and can force it down by selling low.

So, you think that you are Chinese, too! Here in Malayisa, the Government said that you are Chinese but China refer you as "Malaicai" as Malaysia son.

So sorry about above politic talk as there isn't anything to say about swiftlets at the present situation or has something new up.

agreed.....

I think that the price has drop to the bottom already and about time it shall goes up..so this is time to invest?????like market share invest at low sell at high????

Lump Sum today is RM2600/kg. Heard that market in China is stabilizing and hopefully prices will rebound.

hello, i m new guy here.
last week bn lumpsum still got RM3200.
yesterday i browse some china webpage, now there bn price got little up
i think the nightmare is over,
price will up after,
hopefully guys will get the better price

I met the local Asso. President and was told that during his meeting with Dato Beh and others...the problem hasn't resolved yet. There are buyers @ China but how to get the nests there are the problems. Many Malaysians having outlets in China now are experiencing difficulties in fulfilling orders as there are none coming.

Inspection of nests by the authorities on nests and once found to exceed the limit will be confiscated so no one dare to sell. Red nests are no no in China now. The Fed Association will appeal to the PM to use his good office if the matter cannot resolve in afew weeks time.

I also heard from him that the China TV crews were in Penang interviewing a Penang Businessman dealing in Rednests and during the interview, two Malay men appeared and these two who were acting as Govt. Officials were in China with the Businessman trying hard to influence the Chinese press that Red nests are healthy. They found out that these two men infact are the Businessman's workers.

No wonder the Chinese Authorities don't even know whether the Malaysian Govt. Officials that they saw are real and not fake officials.....before fake nests and now fake officials also can!!!!!

Hopefully, our PM can solve our problem because I believe that the Chinese don't even want to see our guys from V,H or any departments for the time being. 0% nitrite, all habis lah! At least our PM cannot be fake.

After Sarawak gang, we have the Penang gang......why???????

Hello Mr New Guy can disclose your buyer contact ? Thanks in advance

that price i hear from my friend,
i try to find the contact for u

I thank you, too and hope to get the contact also but the buyers are coming regularly now but still the price still low. The best is RM3000 here for 1/2 cups but this is much better than last week.

The problem is Most Emperors doesn't live long especially the Ming and Qing Dynasty where the BN is brought in to the palace.

I have no intention to harm this BN industry, just wanted to have some fair discussion on the value of BN, see post here:
http://cforum3.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=2472295

[quote=viruz,Oct 19 2011, 12:30 AM]
The problem is Most Emperors doesn't live long especially the Ming and Qing Dynasty where the BN is brought in to the palace.

There were at least two emperors of the Qing dynasty who lived relatively long life: Emperor Kangxi and his grandson, Chien Loong. If you see the Movie: The Last Emperor, you see that Qing emperors were often taken goof care of. For example, a doctor would examined (observe and smell) the emperor's stool to see if there is anything wrong with his health. Many of the Ming Emperors also lived life of splendor and many often lived relatively long life in comparison with the vast majority of their subjects of which I think the median life span would be less than 40; a Chinese saying goes that its uncommon for a person to live until 70 of age. That was why many Chinese (if they can afford it) married in their teens. In comparison, I think there was a statistic that the average lifespan for a US citizen in 1900 was something like only 20 year old.

I think bird nests is food for royalty due to many reasons: One thing is that they are exotic and from lands far away, and they are difficult to harvest. Which means that they are expensive, and many people associated high price with high quality; note the red nest scams that had done so much harm to this industry due to this reason. Anyway, the most important reason is that many famed Chinese medical practitioners in the long history of Chinese traditional medicine had cited the goodness of birdnests and Chinese traditional medicines had proven their usefullness time and again, whether in the field of treating illness and maintaining good health. Things like acupuncture and bone setting and qigong such as Taichi had proven their effectiveness time and again.

However, coming back to the topic of short lived emperors; yes, many died relatively young (some of them were poisoned) even though they command the best food and medicine; and the highest form of diet is to take food as medicine. I think many emperors died relatively young due to various reasons; they will not live long if they just eat expensive diet like bird nests. Many of them over indulged in reproductive activities with their battalions of concubines and they often do not have enough exercise unlike Emperor Kangxi who appreciated the great outdoors and sometimes even personally led his armies into war. In short, if we were to rely on just consuming bird nests and then live a life of debauchery, then don't expect the bird nests to help us live a long and healthy life. As all medical students are taught when they enter medical school; the first rule is "To do no harm". So do live a moderate life and stay away from smoke, hard liquor, drugs, etc; and don't overexert yourself with the ladies like those emperors not just in China but also in many other kingdoms.

Besides smoking and drinking, so many people are plaque with ill health (also stress) in contemporary society due to unhealthy diet which are high in sugar, salt, oil, cholesterol, transfat. We should be aware of what we put into our mouth as the Chinese saying goes: "Sickness came in via the mouth and troubles came through the mouth (saying stupid things without thinking)". For example, so many people are becoming diabetic which is a huge tragedy personally and for society as a whole. So don't think birdnests is a magic bullet that can cure all our ills if we do not take care of what we eat and do and don't do (exercise).

This post has been edited by philoswiflet: Oct 19 2011, 06:19 AM

In response to "The shame of the Chinese people" - A recent incident of passersby ignoring 2-year-old girl who was hit and run by a van and another vehicle. All of us can't even pass a baby bird in trouble without helping it....

Discus here. There are many important lurkers here and moving to another forum will be counter productive.

Translated version is as follows:-


Bird nest true nutritional values

According to scientific test results, the main nutrients of bird nest consist of protein, carbohydrate, minerals and dietary fiber.

1. Protein
The protein of bird nest composed mostly of epithelial cells(epithelial cells), which is, swiftlet saliva and such cell contains only one primary amino acids that is lysine (Lysine), in addition to three secondary amino
acids whereas a healthy body needs eight primary amino acids and thirteen secondary amino acids, so
bird nest is a low-protein foods. If you take an egg to compare the protein composition to the bird nest,
egg provides all the amino acids the body needs.

2. Carbohydrate
Two pieces of bird nest provides 345 calories, equivalent to two piece of rice cakes, but the price difference
between the two is way too much.

3. Minerals
Bird nest consist of minerals, especially rich in iron. But most of these minerals are absorbed by the
swiftlet nest from the surrounding environment, in other words, these minerals are non-organic (inorganic)
minerals that can not be completely absorbed by the body, most of which will be will be excreted as urine
and stool.

4. Dietary fiber
Four nests provide same amount of dietary fiber as one apple.

Are these translated statements close to originally stated by the author? Furthermore, all original statements ended with "what a pity" or "not worth mentioning".

It's good time to find out the true values of bird nest after the crackdown on fake and blood nest. Like philoswiflet said, bird nest is not a magic bullet that cure all ills.

Personally, as a person from a science background I tend to be skeptical of all the 'claims' of consuming bird's nest. Like what philoswiftlet bro said, BN isn't magic bullet but the industry tend to try and paint this perception onto the consumers so they will pay extravagant prices for BN, especially red ones.

I'm just an investor, if there is demand for BN then there is value for the nests. Monetary value and not nutritional value. I'm pretty sure there are some fibres, proteins, carbs etc inside a BN, but claims like rejuvenating your skin and curing cough, those just seem very far fetched considering any of you that has been industry see how these factories process the nests, you'd be lucky if you're not poisoned from eating them.

So my fellow sifus stop thinking too much abt the nutritional value of BNs, it is just a gourmet food. Like white ppl have their truffles and caviar. Good caviar like Beluga caviar can sell for 500 USD /pound, even more expensive than BN. But it is just fish eggs, nothing special. Same for nests, just saliva in my humble opinion. But people pay good price for it so why not? At least I'm not dying my nests red ......

good read @ http://www.hkfsta.com.hk/articles/special/article7.htm

review of scientific research by one of the world's top ranked university ......not from the garden variety...where holistic approach is used to the hilt!

Correction friend,

Excuse me, WE never claim Birdnest to give longer life but better health and the Emperor's short life problems maybe associated with other factors like too much sex and worries. No one told you that a Emperor has a good life or peaceful life or anything of these sorts. Birdnest are good as what the chinese health experts published and nothing more like not long life which must and can have provided that the emperor sleep early( which obviously cannot with 999 wives) and less worries. I have only one wife and I feel it too and if I have only 10 wives not 999, I died many years ago. (No worry, my wife doesn't not use computer). Hahaha....only that I know that short life has anything to do with birdnests.

Emperor can have everything so all his food taken are certified very safe for consumption and must pass the FDA of that time.

Here, we hope to publish what are the truths and not lies like many others. Many people complaint of us cos they don't understand our doings and so best we posts all to share and hopefully, the unbelievers will slowly but surely understand guys like us who gon't even have a heart to kill a chick and where to find a more kinder group of people than the people at this forum. Readers of forum will see that we do criticized our friends here if they did wrongs so we are fair and do care for our swiftlets....unlike those "Prevention of cruelty to Animals" groups don't even lift a hand to help during the mass murder of thousand of baby swiftlets @ Mukah......

Never fear to post all but the truth cos we have nothing to hide but some guys that posted here aren't us but fakes; we, the swiftlets sanctuaries providers who do care for the swiftlets unlike many out there only know how to criticize and can even walk by a injured 2 years old child and doing nothing to help but will condemned and criticize others. Even bare all, NAKED, we are OK and clean...hahahaha.