No Quote yet and there are some trying to buy at Rm230,Rm2600 rojak and some offers at Rm3400 and to sell or not to sell is at your own discretion, but my only advice is

BE PATIENT and never use only the heart............


Like my wife, use BN for some dishes like coconut with BN which include desert like jelly with BN... living like the Emperor like a saying goes, Cannot be an Emperor, at least can eat like one.

Try wait for another week see how it goes. For your information, my bird house is using the same sound since the beginning. It is more like trial and error. I have tried so called "marvelous sound" that normally cost rm800, it turns out bad.

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Added on September 27, 2011, 11:51 amI will try be patient . But do share with me when u sell. I mean at what price.

Coconut bird nest? What is the recipe? Cook bird nest first then put inside coconut ah?

This post has been edited by mois: Sep 27 2011, 11:51 AM

BAD NEWS

Now, I have heard news that in Hongkong, there are sellers having tons of Red nests now bleaching the nest into white nests again.....and the public there have lost confidence and direction on how to buy good nest. As long as there are bad guys, we are always in trouble and in difficulties to sell our pure nest at good and reasonable price.

First, they convert dirty nests into Red nests and already make their millions and now, nobody is buying their red nests and having many tons of nests at hand, they are changing it back to white nests by bleaching. How are we the innocent ones going to survive such onslaught by greedy bad guys. If I am taking birdnest, I too will stop taking birdnest temporary until I am confident that I am buying the real thing.

For real? Do you have official news on that?

Swiftlet Industry Development Bill
We will soon have a separate law for each farm animal he he.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/133157
http://www.dvs.gov.my/c/document_library/g...groupId=6661941
Still playing along the pre-framed issue...
He's implying our EBN has the stuff and we need to continue having the additive....what???
Worst still he's playing ...'your exports to us have them too and more ppm!!!!'
Wonder if he's helping or antagonising.

Response by SAM on the above..also published on at least 1 alternative site
http://mmail.com.my/content/83184-more-details-bill-needed
He's advocating putting swiftlet BACK into the CITES list to be again under the jurisdiction of Wildlife Dept.

I want to ask a question. Is that safe to put bird nests inside polystyrene box? Will they turn yellowish or so on? Because i afraid the nests will be damaged if put inside for long term.

This post has been edited by mois: Sep 27 2011, 06:23 PM

Someone with connection in oversea distribution told me so and I have no reason not to beieve him cos where are all the Red nests in the market going to sell and they cannot just disappear in thin air. They are not going to destroy the nests or just to throw them into dustbin and the only way out to gain back the money is to recycle these nest back to sellable nests.

That's logical if you think it over.

SAM has always been critical of this industry, can consider as trouble maker equivalent to those that blast their amp as if own the whole town

Just wonder why SAM never comment on the serious illegal logging currently happening at Hutan Simpan Belum at northern Perak. Feedback from town folks logging yard now filled with timbers after down fall of PR. Elephants, tigers, tapirs kena shoo left right centre. SAM remain MUM.

I have put well dry nests into even plastic container for many months and they only change color to light brown and even after many years, you still can use the nests so never worry about being damage but just lower in cash value.

That's why I recommended chiller like cold room which the wholesalers in HK keep their nests and mind you, whole room full will all kind of bird nests to keep them fresh. They pack the nest in clean plastic bag and store them in the chiller room to keep the nests from turning brown and they have done so for years.

Even in natural caves, some nests are harvested after years and still can be eaten and in my BH, sometime you may find 5 or 6 S nest over 6" high and I believe that these are about afew years accumulated nests and they taste better than the newly made nests....and last longer in boiling water.

One word to remind you is never store nest very wet in warm weather and you will end up having greenish fungus and down go your nests into the dustbin to be safe. Anyone know if greenish nests can be eaten or not?

Chiller cold room? Do you mean that we gonna open the aircon for the whole day? that gonna cost alot eh. And to build a chiller cold room i think is rather cost ineffective. Can build low cost one ah?

I think i never store the nests very wet. We direct store it after we harvest though. The yellowish bird nest and white bird nest, normally the value difference is about rm100 per kg only right?

Basically this is a food adulteration issue. Someone tries to pass off something A as B by chemically altering its looks and substance using unapproved additives. There are some who are quick to capitalise upon this opportunity to harm this industry. Swiftlets are in no danger of extinction and not proven to spread avian flu for the last 20 years. In fact swiftlets ranchers take better care of swiftlets than those who talk only. We provide safe and comfortable refuge to them. If someone feels it is unethical to harvest their nests, then by the same token it is unethical to milk cows, take eggs from chickens, or operate a fish farm. SAM, there are many other places where your help is needed, but swiftlet is in no danger of extinction just yet.

Some want to regulate and benefit from an industry that they themselves have not promoted, helped or nurture. They just want power and providing very little value-add. Sometimes, I think negative-value add. For those in power without any foresight, just remember money flows. It will find the place of least resistance to prosper. Malaysia is ranked 3rd in terms of qty production. yet we don't hear of No 1 and 2 putting RFIDs and such nonsense. Personally, trying to hamper this industry is very unpatriotic as it hurts the economy.

Where is the action taken to identify and arrest the people responsible for faking red bird nest? When there were reports of fake eggs, how quick were the authorities to investigate. Very fast they came out with the answer. But eggs don't bring in export dollars to the country, EBN do. So shouldn't the effort be in enhancing the productivity of the industry. And please don't mention ecopark. Not proven and trying to create a false impression that this is a feasible idea. Prove it first with your own money b4 asking folks to part with their money to test a theory of yours.

More bad news. red flag raised over fake nest!

http://thestar.com.my/columnists/story.asp...NqhQ-rc.blogger

i cant imagine if one day bird nest priced at rm1000 per kg.

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Added on September 27, 2011, 11:42 pmIs there anything we can do about? This case look like it is out of our hands. Only the top guys can do something about it. Without proper quality control, this industry will take another risk to collapse.

However, if we are only to sell our raw bird nests to certified/approved companies for processing, i think it is a good idea. But there are slightly drawbacks for this idea. Our EBN prices will be controlled by these companies. As long it is reasonable, i dont mind about lower price. But dont too low. After all, our BH will produce more nests in the future than today. Now this industry just made a highlight in chinese media, so they will definitely lost confident on bird nest at the moment. Either way, i dont see EBN price will go up after this event.

PS: Remember, we are in an industry where we depend on China market. Which mean chinese. And to chinese, they like traditional things like ginseng and any other traditional herbs that have been used for far way too long ago. Bird nest is classified as traditional food and culture and also for its nutrition values. So for those who just venture into this industry, dont give up. Otherwise you will be regret and few years down the road, you will ask why u didnt venture into this industry at the first place. For old farmers, im sure you think the same thing as i do, otherwise you wouldnt build your BH at the first place. Everything got up and down. Not necessarily up forever.

This post has been edited by mois: Sep 27 2011, 11:53 PM

ai ya....Eat bird's nest until lau sai !!......

today chinapress just published a PRE-ELECTION news of the so called `RUMOUR' that someone is trying to monopoly the whole bird's nest industry...turn out it is not real lah!!....it is just the STEPS THAT THE GOVT TAKE TO CONTROL THE QUALITY OF BIRD'S NEST....OHH!!!.........

what is the difference ahh??

ai ya....eat too much bird's nest, brain cannot turn liao....


no need eisteen brain also can figure when our industry leader openly talked about red nests in his speech n in his newspaper ads that it will eventually spread to white nests loh...

in the mean times....maybe we can have a BIRD'S NESTS CUT THROUT MEGASALE CARNIVAL 2011 to celebrate our upcoming ELECTION 2011??

got idea also mah....ai ya....must go lau sai again....

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Added on September 28, 2011, 9:07 am deep freeze it and keep it till 2100, i am sure the price of bird's nests will be around RM400,000 a kilo as by then...birds most likedly already extinct...fat liao!!.....

but i wonder how to deep freeze all the bank loans too??

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Added on September 28, 2011, 9:13 amohh!!...got one good bloody good idea!!...

can monopoly the market of well PROTECTED, Chilled Room rental services!!...wah...fat liao!...this one no one think of it yet...man!...fat liao..

This post has been edited by ChanK: Sep 28 2011, 09:13 AM

Bro, no one asked u to build a cold room but if you need, buy a chiller instead but that will drain you about Rm1500, I think. Chiller use very little electricity as the cold air remain inside as cold air is heavier than hot air unless you open it very regularly.

Without any chiller or freezer, If you keep it dry and pack well so that no air will cause discoloration, you nests will still be great after many years as I did have some 26 years ago and it was alittle brownish. I kept them for remembrance of my first harvesting at the BH but only those very white ones and the last time I saw it about two years ago, they were very good, brittle and alittle light brown only. So, if keep well and your nest will be OK for many years to come...that's my experience with it anyway.

One reminder, never keep/sealed your nests immediately after harvest unless you intend to sell it fast otherwise, it will discolor . Dry it properly and keep them and they will remain well for years and do separate the whites from the brownish as the dirty ones will affect the quality of the white nests and shits is another matter when storing BN as these shits tend to discolor the nests when not dry properly.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 28 2011, 10:08 AM

IMHO the above 2 statements sums up the issue and the required action from the authorities.

Instead of nipping the issue in the bud, they just play along allowing it to snowball and now threatens to go national in China and maybe go international.
All the newly awakened ministries are now just grabbing at whatever that someone else has proposed to appear to be proactive.
I will give them credit that they went to China to assuage the authorities there...
...but they have to watch their utterances...as an example ..what was said yesterday locally in the Sun.

A simple case of adulteration doesn't require a new law.
There are sufficient laws already to deal with it....if only those entrusted to do their jobs do!
No one ever gets the sack if all these new silly proposals fail.

Auditorium Parcel D
Pusat Pentadbiran Kerajaan Persekutuan
Putrajaya

29-09-2011 at 10.00am.

Ministry of Health will have a dialog Session with all Birds' Nest processing players.


Anyone, everyone, in KL, please attend.

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Added on September 28, 2011, 7:49 pm






processors must go there lah...i think farmers also must go as we need to highlight to MOH that when they order the special boxes to distribute to farmers...please order different sizes lah...

as...

not all are harvesting liked all the big taikohs in association...ordinary farmers harvest in numbers oli...not gram or kilo...

a bit pai seh when u gives us a box n we harvest the nests..when weight it....the box more heavy than the nests.... paiseh leh.....

and also, please lah, the 10 factories with license...please don't work together to set the price lah....as u set liked that we mana can survive?

if i go sell in Factory B, factory B said, the market price now is RM1000.00, u don't believe, u go n ask the others!..go, Factory A,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,and J..they all quoted RM800.00...as they have enough stock to cover their demand as their factory already full house liao...mana boleh process so much!...newspaper said last year we sell 100tons to china...so, each factory can process only 10 tons mah!.....u don't sell, then u eat yrself loh!...

when go back to Factory B, ohh...now the price is RM850.00 liao!..who ask u to wait!....now i am very good hearted to buy ur nests at RM50 extra from market price liao!...u must thank me..

ohh....maybe drink too much liao...better go lau sai again...no eye see....go meditate...maybe can ` lu ting ' for 100yrs.....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Sep 28 2011, 07:49 PM

Triggers a question......
Why EBN need to be traced to the individual BHs?...I assume that from pictures of the boxes?
Are they saying the additives are added at the BH???
If so, it's the responsibility of the processor to ensure it's cleaned up.
Penalise the sellers for the cost up additional cleaning....all simple economic sense and market forces...

Did they miss proposing a special courier to ensure non adulteration along the way to the processors

Question to u CK...were the association consulted and subsequently agreed to those boxes and RFID labelling?

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Added on September 28, 2011, 10:45 pmHoly mackerel!!!!
See what I found googling the latest news on what CK has shared above...
http://www.dlm.gov.my/birdnest/

This post has been edited by Cergau: Sep 28 2011, 10:45 PM

So I have been told;

There is a need to trace the nests to particular house in case of disease outbreak etc. (Which is fair I think)

Adulteration by processor is traceable by the brand mark. (Which is also fair but depends on local enforcement)

Some associations were consulted because not every association was represented. (Some never bothered to respond)

IMHO there are so many loopholes that we do not have to worry as BH operators.

If official processors control the prices, then it is just as easy for the BH owners not to sell to them or even sell to unlicensed processors. It works both ways. So long as there is a price differential between supplier and wholesaler and end user it will be self regulatory.

Export but unlicensed processors will continue as the demand will always be there and the loopholes are far too many for the GOM and GOC to plug.