any idea compare between seiko and orients ? with only rm500 budget. i'm more into automatic movement watch.
any recommended watch shop in petaling jaya?

here are some extra info. i have a small wrist ( only 6inches parameter ), i went to CITY CHAIN at tropicana city mall and the sales girl recommended me seiko chronograph snd513, i tried to wear and found quite suit my wrist, as the case only 40mm.

and the city chain quoted me the price is 60bucks higher than Lyn member's price. of cause i know shop must higher price, but 60 bucks...  .......

miles ahead huuh ?? hmm... with additional 700 MYR... hmmm....

eying on the Marine Auto White Dial with Blue hands... seems a very decent piece of watch...

Orient and Seiko are both good, I think if you insist on automatic watch, then stick to your decision do not influenced by the sales girl (even how pretty is she).
Seiko 5 has lower profit margin, city chain chuck those watches at a hidden corner one, they don earn much.

RM500 could try some seiko 5 sports.
Orient I have no experience but their entry level not as tough as seiko I think.

dress watch? leather?
date?

Tissot.... drop in ETA vs Stowa finishing the ETA movement.
Tissot case most likely made in China, Stowa do it in Europe.
ppl in the forum claim Stowa finish is nicely done, close to Omega.
Tissot would have to go thru Longines before U can compare it to Omega.

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Added on October 12, 2010, 6:25 am
Orient is part of the Seiko group. In fact Seiko group acquire Orient so that Seiko can use Orient Jap plant to make more entry level Seiko mech movements.
my guess are those movement maybe found in JDM and not those Seiko5.

Seiko 5s are still using 7s26 or 7s36 movements...yeah...probably for JDM...JDM are nice..but expensive ...and the specs are not that impressive compared to entry level swiss like Tissot and CW..

Watch Manufacturer

1.Mainly own designs and manufactures all major components of every watch in-house.

Rolex
(Shock kif system, escapements hairsprings out sourced and crystals?) Update now use in some models
own in-house hairsprings and paraflex shock system and now own the crystal manufacture side but still out source mainsprings.

Glashütte Original/Union Glashütte (not sure about the crystals)

Harry Winston Fine Timepieces (with collaborators help)

Seiko. Makes everything in-house.

Urwerk. (even crystals designed all in-house)

2.Design and manufactures every movement in-house, but uses suppliers for cases, dials,crystals, etc.

A. Lange & Sohne. (big date mechanism designed by JLC)

Blancpain.

Breguet.

Citizen.

Philippe Dufour.

Girard-Perregaux.

Jaeger-LeCoultre.

F.P. Journe.

Richard Mille.

Patek Philippe. But even Patek Philippe never made their own movements till the middle 30s.And still use a modded
Lemania's Cal. 2310 as a base for some of there two register m/wind chronographs


Piaget.

Zenith.

3. Designs and manufactures most movements in-house, but also uses supplied movements mostly ETA Based and Lemania.

Audemars Piguet.

Parmigiani.

Roger Dubuis.

Vacheron Constantin. uses Lemania's Cal. 2310 as a base ebauche to some of their M/wind cronos

4.Designs and manufactures some movements in-house, but mostly uses supplied ebauches then rework movements.

Chopard.

Ulysse Nardin.

Panerai.

5.Manufactures who use supplied ébauche or base movement, but do extensive and substantial in-house modification to movement, that a unique finished movement, only to that said manufacture results.

Svend Andersen.

D. Dornblüth & Sohne.

IWC.

Paul Gerber.

Nomos.

Daniel Roth.

6. Designs and manufactures at least most movements in- house group, but uses other suppliers for cases, dials, etc.

Jacquet Droz.

Longines.

Omega.

Tissot.

Breitling.


7. Begins with supplied movements, but does additional finishing in-house or in-house-group.

Stowa/Jorg Schauer

8.Designs a few movements, receives completed movements, and assembles at least some watches in-house, but most out sourced.

Chronoswiss.
Tag Heuer.

9.Outsources all aspects of manufacturing.

All fashion brands.

10.Poljot. now produce all in-house movements,for chrono range.

The Chronograph P3133 is based on the Swiss Valjoux 7734 movement,they bought the old tooling and rights.The Val 7734 was
in production from 1969-78 less than 2 million were made.Then the
Russian Poljot firm modified the Val 7734 into the P3133


But most movements that Poljot uses are based on popular Swiss movements,plus today in some of there watches,they use full ETA movements like the 2824.

The P3133 is based on the Valjoux 7734 movement.

The P2612 is based on the AS 1475 (alarm) movement
17-18 Jewel M/W

Below are the technical data of the Valjoux 7734, and a comparison with the Poljot 3133 after the modification.

Valjoux 7734-------------- Poljot 3133
Winding. Handwind.----------- Handwind.
Jewels. 17. ============ 23.
A/h. 18000. ---------- 21600.
P/R 36 hours-------------- 42 hours.

Depends on one's preference. The build quality of JDM is on par, if not better than the entry level Swiss counterparts. IMHO.
And mind you, Seiko build their watches 100% in-house, whereas entry level Swiss using ETA and outsource the case to other manufacturers.
At the end of the day, choose whatever you like and enjoy it 

This is very informative finding by someone in Rolex forum and posted in MWF.

If you can lay your hands on the Zenith movement Daytona, yes.

It's one of the great sports watches & very collectable, especially the black face SS version

Orient and Seiko are both good, I think if you insist on automatic watch, then stick to your decision do not influenced by the sales girl (even how pretty is she).
Seiko 5 has lower profit margin, city chain chuck those watches at a hidden corner one, they don earn much.

RM500 could try some seiko 5 sports.
Orient I have no experience but their entry level not as tough as seiko I think.

Depends on one's preference. The build quality of JDM is on par, if not better than the entry level Swiss counterparts. IMHO.
And mind you, Seiko build their watches 100% in-house, whereas entry level Swiss using ETA and outsource the case to other manufacturers.
At the end of the day, choose whatever you like and enjoy it 

This is very informative finding by someone in Rolex forum and posted in MWF.

Mühle GmbH  declared insolvency!

Glashütte is a city in Saxony, Germany, which is the birthplace of the watches of the same name.  Watch brands made in connection with this location include A. Lange & Söhne, Glashütte Original, Mühle Glashütte/SA and Nomos.  Only those companies which create more than 50% of their movements' value in and around Glashütte can have the town's name certifying its watches.  Just as is the case with Swiss watches, Parma ham or French champagne, the following applies: only those products which are truly produced in Switzerland, Parma or Champagne, may be sold with that specific appellation of origin.  In the case of Glashutte-born watches, this guarantees the customer the highest horological quality.

NOMOS designs, develops, and manufactures its own movements in Glashütte and earlier this year insisted that not only should Glashütte Original, Lange & Söhne and themselves abide by the "Glashütte Rule," but Mühle Glashutte GmbH as well.  NOMOS brought a lawsuit against Muhle GmbH which has now resulted in the company declaring insolvency due to its apparent inability to manufacture products without violating the criteria of value creation.  The parts in the movements of c. 25k Mühle watches were sold with a "Glashütte" designation of origin, but were not predominately produced in Glashütte as required, leading the judges to declare that this constituted a direct violation of the competition law (the so-named "Glashütte Rule"). 

Muhle GmbH is heavily in debt as a result of the lawsuit and reported that: '...we are forced to set up reserves amounting to 63 million Euros. Hence, in our balance sheets, liabilities exceed our assets'.  The company also said that: 'After court proceedings with the local competitor in 2002 we accepted a settlement and started immediate steps for changes in our production. Additional product refinements resulted in a substantial increase of the proportion of components that are manufactured and finished in our plant. The opponent considered these measures to be insufficient and brought up a new action against Mühle-Glashütte GmbH which the Munich County Court sustained in February 2007'.

However, Muhle GmbH is preparing for a future: Thilo Mühle anticipates that insolvency plan proceedings will help him implement his aims and, above all, maintain jobs and create new ones in the company.  Indeed, as Juliet declared in the famous Shakespeare play: "A rose by any other name, would smell as sweet".

A few years ago, it became known that ETA decided to no longer supply companies with ébauche kits. Has NOMOS been affected by this?
NOMOS is not endangered by this decision, for NOMOS Glashütte no longer uses ETA movements. This decision is aimed at all the black sheep who use ETA movements in forgeries, thus damaging the good name of ETA. However, NOMOS movements are our own and are made in Glashütte. Whether automatic or manually wound, our movements are of the highest precision and feature horological specialties such as the Glashütte three-quarter plate, a Triovis fine adjustment system, stop-seconds, tempered blue screws, sunburst decoration, and Glashütte ribbing. The work performed on every watch is mainly work done by hand. If it serves quality and precision, however, we at NOMOS Glashütte do use high-tech production methods such as CNC and laser technology. Only individual parts such as jewels, which we use as bearings in the movements, are purchased from suppliers according to our designs.

I am afraid the zenith daytona movement are more expensive to service/maintain/rapair, problem might occour in future parts needs special order & ppl RSC can't repair. Kindly correct me, if im wrong..
no intention to hurt zenith daytona collectors.. 

I am afraid the zenith daytona movement are more expensive to service/maintain/rapair, problem might occour in future parts needs special order & ppl RSC can't repair. Kindly correct me, if im wrong..
no intention to hurt zenith daytona collectors.. 

taiko's

any other recommendation for budget of
- 500 to 1k
- retailer locatable in Klang Valley
- classic design / simple n nice design (time & date)
- automatic or static or solar powered
- see through back case
- prefer leather or rubber strap

since its my very 1st watch... having heavy hearts to go straight for stowa which will cost me 3k hard earned money ><

yeah. leather. date if possible. i dont think i have many options for the price i'm paying right?

patryn33 ... im quite a basher. i think zenith daytona hard to get furthermore a pre-owned model takut previous owner never service/basher etc. i prefer the white dial, coz the black rings nice.
i saw once in mudah, ss white zenith going for abt 22k .. miss that boat. 

patryn33 ... im quite a basher. i think zenith daytona hard to get furthermore a pre-owned model takut previous owner never service/basher etc. i prefer the white dial, coz the black rings nice.
i saw once in mudah, ss white zenith going for abt 22k .. miss that boat. 
beau ... 50% that's damm alot. Ok I put in a note to my friend if going there for year end crazy street party.
any other country getting a rolex cheap ? 
(wanted to ask him get some pre-love sports, sell here & earn abit cukup) He usually go ID, CN, TW, EU 

I am only studying on rolex models not sure about other brands.

From the choices u provided only germany is cheapest after VAT refund.

Another cheaper place to get rolex is at japan:

http://www.u-s.co.jp/

http://www.jackroad.co.jp/

http://www.909.co.jp/ --> high quality 2nd hand with offer 3 - 12 years warranty

we can get 5% tax refund as well from japan.

buy an expensive watch and bash around? U work on oil rig and bash against heavy equipment or have it run thru Navy Seals kinda treatment?
no rolex can servive heavy bashing or go under a tank. want to do that get a quartz beater, why get a Rolex daytona and attempt to beat it to death?
preown dealer, go to respectable ones some actually service them or at least inspect them.

patryn33 ... im quite a basher. i think zenith daytona hard to get furthermore a pre-owned model takut previous owner never service/basher etc. i prefer the white dial, coz the black rings nice.
i saw once in mudah, ss white zenith going for abt 22k .. miss that boat. 
beau ... 50% that's damm alot. Ok I put in a note to my friend if going there for year end crazy street party.
any other country getting a rolex cheap ? 
(wanted to ask him get some pre-love sports, sell here & earn abit cukup) He usually go ID, CN, TW, EU 

I am only studying on rolex models not sure about other brands.

From the choices u provided only germany is cheapest after VAT refund.

Another cheaper place to get rolex is at japan:

http://www.u-s.co.jp/

http://www.jackroad.co.jp/

http://www.909.co.jp/ --> high quality 2nd hand with offer 3 - 12 years warranty

we can get 5% tax refund as well from japan.

Germany U talking new or pre own? European pre own prices can be pretty high! I got my JLC clock in states for like 1/3 the price I found in a tiny watchmaker store in Italy!

yen is pretty strong these days.

my buddy in sg visited the shop (listed as your 1st link), turn out getting in SG is cheaper.
some pre own shops in SG do not charge GST.

its interesting the last link provide 12 yrs warranty. does the warranty cover free routine service? who pay shipping and insurance?
the cost to service a rolex datejust in USA with polishing of the case/bracelet cost US$500. I read in SG cost sgd$500 to just service and locally only around RM$500 also just service! with that is worthwhile taking the warranty?