Time for a new thread.
what i learnt from the original thread.

Those new at watches do read this 1st
http://www.watcharama.com/glossary.htm

Chronograph and affordable homages (Sub, Pammy, B&R) are big. try to name a few brands, will try my best to update this list

where to find those affordable homages
Sub Homage
- www.mkiiwatches.com
- www.orangewatchcompany.com
- www.steinhartwatches.de
- www.robert-uhren.de
- www.debaufre.com
- www.marcelloc-watches.com
- www.rxw.jp
- www.davosawatches.com

Sub homage similar to the original James Bond watch
- STEINHART "OCEAN 1 VINTAGE"
http://www.steinhartwatches.de/index.php?i...92&Sel_ID=9#192
- http://www.orangewatchcompany.com/milsub/index.php
- MK II Kingston

Pammy Homage
- Vollmer watch
- Aristo
- Dievas watch ( http://gnomonwatches.com/Dievas.html)
- www.rxw.jp
(Asian parts)
- Getat http://www.siswatch727.com/index.do
- Jackson Tse http://www.jacksontse.com/


Bell and Ross Homage
- Junkers
- www.steinhartwatches.de
- www.debaufre.com
- http://www.revue-thommen.ch/instrument.htm

many pilot fans here too
- www.stowa.com
- http://www.lacher-shop.de/e_shop/index.php
- www.archimede-uhren.de
- www.christopherward.co.uk
- Aristo
- http://prometheuswatch.com/

IWC pilot homage
- Speedbird with soft iron core http://www.timefactors.com/speedbird.htm

diver watches
(online only)
- www.christopherward.co.uk
- guinand-watch.com
- http://www.ocean7watchco.com/
- Doxa
- www.mkiiwatches.com
- www.orangewatchcompany.com
- www.steinhartwatches.de
- www.robert-uhren.de
- www.debaufre.com
- www.uhr.info (~rm1k)
- Marathon http://www.broadarrow.net/GSAR.htm
- Bernhardt http://www.bernhardtwatch.com/
- www.boschett-timepieces.com
- www.utswatches.com
- http://www.benaruswatches.com/
- http://prometheuswatch.com/
(in stores)
- Fortis
- Hamilton
- Oris
- Sinn
- Tag Heuer
- Longines
- etc

German watches that invested alot in case and movement tech
- Sinn
- http://www.damasko.de/eng/index.html

small size watches (case 33-38mm size)
- www.christopherward.co.uk (price starts at RM600)
- http://junior.frederique-constant.com/ (prices start at RM2.6K)
- http://www.dfreemontwatches.com/new_yorker.htm
- hamilton watch (Field mechanical size at 33mm) retail price ~rm1.1K
- Seiko Spirit Automatic (size 37mm)
- Titoni (many model range btw 33mm to 38mm) http://www.pmwf.com/Watches/WATCHSALES/TitoniSalesTable.htm
- Stowa Antea Kleine Sekunde (35.5mm) or Stowa Antea 365 (36.5mm)
- nomos club (36mm) retails ~rm4.5K to 5K or Nomos Ludwig (33mm) retails rm$5K and up
- http://www.jswatch.com/enska/urin.html
- http://www.rgmwatches.com/110As.html
- Maurice Lacroix http://www.mauricelacroix.com/#OUR%20CLASSICS
- http://www.archimede-uhren.de/EN/Pilot-S.htm (prices start at ~rm1.5k)
- http://www.autran-viala.de (prices start at ~rm1.4k)

great value Chrono watches
- www.uhr.info (rm$1.6k)
- http://www.genius1953.de/
- Guinand watch

Skeleton watches on swiss movement
- SWATCH under US$180
- http://www.steinhartwatches.de/ (limited edition)
- Oris Artelier Skeleton also US$1.5k an up
- Louis Erard 1931 collection usually usd$1.5K an up
- http://www.tourbywatches.com/ usually EUR$1.1K an up
- Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece Skeleton (retailing US$5K an up)

Skeleton or open dial on Jap movement
- Orient watch ~US$350 (not really skeleton, just open dial)
- BULOVA ~US$250 and up (open dial)
- Invicta (some are using Chinese movement)

Skeleton or open dial on Chinese movement
- Invicta
- Armitron
- Kenneth Cole (mostly fashion brands)
- Seagull
- Alpha watch usually under US$100
- Theorema watch usually ~US$200
- TRIAS watch (some swiss movement model cost more, mostly Chinese)

Looking for Japanese Mechanical
- www.seiyajapan.com
- http://www.higuchi-inc.com/
- www.orientwatchusa.com

grey market (online)
- thewatchery.com ( I dealt with them b4)
- ashford.com ( I dealt with them b4)
- collectorstime.com
some others review these shops
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.ph...pic,1383.0.html

http://www.europastar.com/europastar/magaz...t_id=1003545084



a nice chart I find useful


This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 9 2010, 12:26 PM

That pyramid which explains the heirarchy is very good!

wow..new home!!!...hope the old thread still accessible....many precious information there!!

but a bit confused...why is this call poor man/affordable thread?

we also discuss about Omega, Subs, IWCs..also...

will the luxury thread be revived then?

This post has been edited by nando: May 7 2010, 02:51 PM

I just felt 99% of the time ppl here is asking for the affordable stuff.. feel free to post on IWC, PP etc, doubt mod is going to remove it.
well affordable varies from ppl to ppl too.. some its 1k other 10k or more..
there is also a thread in hobbies where ppl ask about Subs, AP etc.. nothing cheap like Citizen, Tissot. the activity there is slow so I kinda play with the name abit to catch attention.

I did also insinuate in quotes... unless thats not understandable by ppl here. mislead too many ppl?

This post has been edited by patryn33: May 8 2010, 08:17 AM

Good one patryn
Please update the following pammy homage in 1st post.
Getat http://www.siswatch727.com/index.do
Jackson Tse http://www.jacksontse.com/

This post has been edited by ck77: May 7 2010, 08:50 PM

Reporting in.
can post some the pics for better illustrations for new buyers.
As many of us guys are watch collectors u may share some of your valuable watches.

The title is not apt at all. When the watches are not affordable as a time telling machine. A poor man could do well reading time with just a RM99 CASIO. So whats gives with the "poor" in the title? You mean you like to accept that beggars do really earn a lot to finance homes and cars just with begging as a job? Since when poor means you could afford a RM1K watch?

cool down bro.....in watch world...the phrase `poor man's watch' is quite acceptable..and common.....its not degradation ..on the contrary....its a phrase to remind the majority of people that watch collecting hobby are not about the Rolex, VCs, APs...but watch collecting can be equally passionate when you're collecting Seikos, ORients or even Casios..

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Added on May 7, 2010, 11:36 pmwe want to see you NEW LACO la....

This post has been edited by nando: May 8 2010, 09:57 AM

You ask for it. First review in thread 2

Been lurking for b-uhr (pilot watch) for few months now. Some history of the original WWII pilot watch can be found here, http://www.calibremagazine.com/node/305

Finally decided on Laco due to its price and originality of the b-uhr. Chose B dial coz I find A dial is too common and plain for my liking.
This is the original spec for B dial b-uhr. 55mm in size! Easily readable and wear outside the flight suit.


Shipping was fast, 3 days from Germany to KL with FedEx.

Special request for no logo dial to reflect the original spirit of b-uhr. 42mm in brushed steel, mineral cystal glass, inner hour markers with outter minute markers. Still getting used to the short hour hand.


Non screw-in onion crown, would not put a mark on the back of your hand like diamond crown.


Polished steel clear case back with mineral cystal. Mitoya 8215 workhorse. Second hand running smoothly, no stutter issue so far (touch wood )


Original pilot strap with rivets. Strap alone costing EUR49.00


Need some times to figure how to wear the strap Strap sitting nicely on my wrist in last hole. People with small wrist might need to request for shorter strap or punch additional holes.


Lume nicely with superluminova.


And lastly, compulsory wrist shot.


Very limited production due to parts availability (or financial difficulty), stocks usually sold off within days.
Laco, one of the 5 original makers of b-uhr, Make in Germany, albeit Japanese movement, EUR166.39 ~RM730 with free FedEx shipping.
Though not as historically correct spec as WUS LE, but I still think that this baby is a steal

This post has been edited by ck77: May 8 2010, 12:22 AM

For me, the best B-Uhr has a light face, beautiful blued hands, and sober numbering.

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Added on May 8, 2010, 12:22 am

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Added on May 8, 2010, 12:23 am

This post has been edited by kotmj: May 8 2010, 12:23 AM

love the superluminova is gorgeous.
Maybe this will do some "kick"



My baby

wah i love the lume second effectt omg what kind of poison is this zzzzz

166 euro is not that bad >.>

whats the problem here dude .my England is not there. don't really understand the sentence in bold, felt like its missing a 2nd part..

anyway I just quote an example.. RM$10 U happy? seem like there are lots of bones in a egg U are finding.
since MOD and even yourself have problem with the title.. do feel free to make the appropriate suggestion to get it right.

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Added on May 8, 2010, 8:55 amgreat reviews!
do share your experience with online shopping, ppl are worried with taxes etc.
care to elaborate more on that? didn't get stuck in customs?

This post has been edited by patryn33: May 8 2010, 08:56 AM

Btw ck77, u can also emphasizes on the warranty issue ...where to claim where to get it service...and how much would it cost when dealing with Online purchases..

im still hunting for another watch most prob...Oris, Ball or Tag average model

patryn, as fas as watches are concern, that's tax free in Malaysia. Item reached Sepang at the morning, cleared by custom by noon, reached me at 4.30pm on the same day!

terence, too bad any warranty claim need to send back to Germany. But good news is, Miyota is not a complicated movement and could be serice locally here. If worse come to worse, is not that expensive to change the entire movement!

haha change the entire movement = get a brand new watch is that so.
Tried on Orics BC4.....and is sooo freaking big and heavy...
Now i started to like watches with superluminova

Almost all of the modern watches are lume by superluminova, expect some brands like Ball, Luminox, Lum-Tec etc.

this is euro 199 - Vat = euro 166.39?

This post has been edited by nando: May 8 2010, 06:08 PM

The lume is a beau man, grats

Anyway, just a quick question for you guys. Does anyone know how to resize the leather strap on the Tag Carreras? I got mine almost 2 years back and I have absolutely no recollection on how I adjusted the size back then. I tried tugging on it just like that but it wouldn't budge, and I'm afraid to yank it harder for fear of the whole strap falling apart.

This post has been edited by Chinoz: May 8 2010, 06:41 PM

Awesome shots of your B-uhr watch ck77. There was actually someone in Lowyat.net who was selling the exact same watch, I was very interested but was kinda annoyed at the seller's comments when I asked him if he had the 2824-2 version instead of the Miyota. Ended up not buying it and got myself a Glycine Combat instead.

Anyways, I am very close to ordering a Stowa B-Uhr. For those who have yet to see it, here's the link Stowa Flieger Baumuster B Dial

Stowa has been making A dial Fliegers all this while but their new range will include a B dial! Its size is 40mm, so it's smaller than your Laco. Price wise, it's also a lot higher compared to a Miyota Laco at 630 Euros.