Is a classic sport watch, alongside Submariner in Rolex line up, and most important, demand > supply.
I like the white dial though.
http://www.secondtimeround.com/cosmograph%20history.html
http://rolexblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/prof...aul-newman.html

OK.. brand new items. lets be clear as I believe blasto, beau etc are talking about pre own. esp Rolex on Zenith movement.. that is 10yrs ago model!

anyway, U have alot of ppl getting new watches thru 1st and 2nd link? deals far better than Msia and SG?
do they sell online? if so they must not be AD.
have U shop thru anyone of them personally?

this archimede design looks so similar to stowa MO...

and yes after browsing MO, it out shines antea... love the roman numerics & blue hands..

I have my father's old Seiko 5 automatic watch....cannot last more than a day without wearing it. Where can I overhaul this watch? And how much would it cost? Sorry I'm a noob when it comes to this

may not be worth while servicing a Seiko5.
where are you located. ck77 did post some places to service watches here.
U have to do a search on this thread

Can bring back to Thong Sia, less than RM100 I think.

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Like patryn said, might not worth it. But if the watch meant something to you, go ahead.

Comparing
- Stowa MO roman white dial blue hands EURO 760
- archimede UA7952-H1.1 EURO 735


Stowa marine original roman

Archimede



Movement
- Stowas states only ETA 6498
- Archimede uses ETA 6498-2 (any difference?)

Deco
- looking from pictures the same blued screws & geneva stripes
- difference is Archimede did not engrave their logo compare to Stowa did


- both model is obviously using the same supplier for the parts.
- both model is made in germany

convert to RM
- Stowa RM3,412 (include 30 euro for deployment clasp)
- Archimede RM3,175 (include 40 euro for deployment clasp)

diff of RM237...

im really noob in branding for watches...

could stowa have a richer history compare to Archimede ?

finishing quality issue ?


REally need sifu & taiko's opinion

somethings to think about here. I assume U looking top grade Archemde?

movement
- both come from same source.
- Stowa finishes the movement and regulate it to their specs, although movement grade when they get from ETA is Elabore. Note the swan neck regulator.
- Archemede iirc it's Standard grade, ETA specs, unless stated. Here U are looking at top grade.

Stowa


this is Archemede top grade


case
- stowa iirc its done in europe.
- Archemede made by ickers, famous case maker. case not stamp no stress on steel thus stronger

stowa history is richer.

have U seen tourby, those on swan neck regulator are VERY expensive
http://www.tourbywatches.com/shop/category...param=cid%3D%26 ??

This post has been edited by patryn33: Oct 14 2010, 07:07 AM

I m not sure a lot or few but i have only seen ppl recommended these 2 shops. These 2 r reputated shop in japan. They do not sell online and they r not AD. You might be surprise when u buy from them and u see it is origin from malaysia!

By looking at the price stated on website it is definitely cheaper compare to AD in malaysia and sg. Buying from AD it is all depends on how good u and the sales person. Some ppl can get 15% discount for sports model becoz they r regular customer.

I am still scouting for my first rolex and thinking whether to buy locally or overseas. The only different with local i can pay by credit card installment with higher price or getting a cheaper price with cash at oversea.

This post has been edited by rockdaman: Oct 14 2010, 10:00 AM

wat is... swan neck regulators?

yup im comparing stowa with Archemede top grade version

movement
- stowa advantage is the further regulate (tune) the ETA 6498
- Archemede using ETA 6498-2 (mentioned in their forum while stock last)

can i conclude tat both brands movement is considered ... same level since Stowa is further fine tuned & Archemede is a version 2 of ETA 6498?

Case wise Archemede is stronger than Stowa, its .1mm bigger than stowa

history wise is stowa

Tourby price is just slaughtering.. almost same

http://www.tourbywatches.com/shop/article_...%26aid%3D305%26

price include tax euro 849 but this is hand winding... ??

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f36/swan-neck...-fo-219222.html
For layman term, a mechanism for adjustment of accuracy. It does look good though

anything on ETA 6498 is hand winding!

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Added on October 14, 2010, 7:15 pmthat is strange.
http://www.sg-roc.com/showthread.php?40-li...x-watches/page6
http://www.u-s.co.jp/shop/goods/goods.aspx?goods=RX1904

compare the above 2 item.
SG list price according to post is sgd$7127 yes its back in July prices may have gone up but by over 20%! that just don't seem right
1st Jp site is at 548k yen or sgd$8754..

This post has been edited by patryn33: Oct 14 2010, 07:15 PM

Thank you very much! Appreciated your help. Well yeah, that watch belongs to my late father. Am currently wearing it occasionally. So I might just bring to for an overhaul. Thanks again!

You are comparing the new model for explorer I 39mm (214270) with old model 36mm (114270). Usually the ppl will state model code rather than model name because rolex always use back the same name.

I was scouting for 114270 before during Jun and cheapest japan selling price was 5300sgd compare to SG AD like ur listed price. Isnt it a lot ?

Anyway milgauss 116400 is dirty cheap now with japan selling sgd5800 and singapore AD selling 7900.

http://www.sg-roc.com/showthread.php?46181...ber-2010/page12 (latest post by kclee)
http://www.u-s.co.jp/shop/goods/goods.aspx?goods=RX1661

anyway sg-roc is really a good place to learn about rolex.

thanx for pointing out, no Rolex expert. Not into Rolex.

I cannot see the price of 116400 listed on the jp site u pointed. that sgd$7900 is MSRP b4 discount. no idea how much discount on 116400, 15%?

is this apple to apple? Jap listed for 498000 yen and the sg-roc list it at 8.8K. if so its ~sgd$800 cheaper in Jap thru gray market. if U fly to Japan often for work it make sense to get it there, else.. fly there just to get watch. not really good deal. Any Rolex gray dealer in Msia?
http://www.u-s.co.jp/shop/goods/goods.aspx?goods=RX1659

I would expect gray to be cheaper, else whats the pt going gray! I went gray for other watches as I am seeing > 60% off from MSRP.

Same here white for me. Thx for the info.

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Added on October 15, 2010, 1:13 amsorry kacau abit... i think the 116400 not popular & expensive compare to 36mm explorer 1. i prefer the t-dial 14270 the classic single clip back lock..
evergreen model..

i never seen the explorer 1 39mm in real life... anyidea
how much after discount ? Have they discont the 36mm explorer 1 ?

This post has been edited by blasto: Oct 15 2010, 01:13 AM

FYI. All rolex sports model has no discount. Only those frequent buyer who is close to salesman then they will have a discount but at most around 15%.

A tokyo vacation trip 7 days is around sgd2k and at the same time i bought a rolex which has sgd800 different. Dont you think is worth to visit japan with 800sgd discount?

I would say u will never get 60% discount off from RRP for any brand of luxury watches from AD or grey market or parellel import. The watches u bought with 60% discount from RRP surely cant sell to any pawn shop or preowned shop next day or 20 years or more but not rolex anytime u can trade in for cash.

hand winding... means i have self wind it every now n then ?....

I gather u don't comprehend my Ang mo, on a vacation isn't the same as fly there just for watch and fly home the next day.

20yrs for more? have u heard of inflation? even with Rolex U don't make money, esp with servicing cost. want to make $$ go pay with Pam 3yrs ago, used for a yr still can sell higher than retail price!
yes, Rolex U can trade in almost anytime for cash that does not mean U would make a handsome profit which allows you to get a current model without spending more.

as for the watch I got for ~60% off, only I know if I can sell it off today if I want to. U better work on getting your 1st Rolex and leave that part to me.
in times of war, gold can trade anytime for food. I doubt a rolex meant anything. talk about value

as for lux brands no 60% off? U must be kidding! U can easily find FM going on such discount esp those quartz models
3yrs ago u can find Zenith on LVMH friends and family sale going for ~70% off.
IWC if U know where to look also can find it >50%.
to you these brands all no value, pawn shop wouldn't take a at them.

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Added on October 15, 2010, 10:30 amcertainly! even with auto, if you don't move enough and it stops. U end up winding it again.
Today, I prefer manual.
waiting to get my 1st German watch too.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Oct 15 2010, 10:50 AM

Thanks for sharing knowledge and experience.