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RJdio
post Aug 22 2010, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Aug 21 2010, 08:32 PM)
other than COST, IWC inhouse movement vs Stowa/Laco ETA.
finishing on case and movement. and IWC offer soft iron core for magnetic protection.
IWC has AR coating, Laco/Stowa don't think so.
IWC Mark XVI movement 30110 is made by ETA. base off ETA 2892.

there is no water proof watch. water resistance yes.
whats your budget? its not that hard.



IWC mark XVI
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Hey thanks for the info. The one above is the one I'm interested in. Im going to HK next month - do you think it will be cheaper there ?

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post Aug 23 2010, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Aug 20 2010, 07:30 PM)
no idea, website did not even state where they are made. where is their head office? whats their movement? etc
want a cheap beater, maybe U don't care.
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not cheap i think. rm200++ is the lowest, nice design too, very sporty. Just not very clear about where are they coming from originally. Because swiss chronoforce are not listed as one of the swiss made watches and most of watch shop claimed this brand as Swiss Army little brother. Maybe they are using original swiss material and assembled in China. Cheap labor i guess.

I'm planning to get this watch for raya. Will get back to u guys with more update. Got to do some experiment with it first. nod.gif

Next target would Orient automatic Watch. tongue.gif

...and this thread really gets me going!! notworthy.gif
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post Aug 23 2010, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(RJdio @ Aug 22 2010, 10:24 PM)
Hey thanks for the info. The one above is the one I'm interested in. Im going to HK next month - do you think it will be cheaper there ?
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Not sure about this model.

BTW the Mark XII 's are very collectable. They were made with JLC movements for IWC
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post Aug 23 2010, 12:52 AM

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guys..i'm back..i was looking at a tissot PRC200 quartz chrono previously for roughly rm1k...then my friend suggested me me a PRC200 automatics chrono...and it's rm1.8k...do you think it's worth the extra rm800?
http://www.watchshop.com/mens-tissot-prc20...652-p29833.html
http://www.watchshop.com/mens-tissot-prc20...-p99930806.html
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guys,where to get good deals on bell and ross watches?on9 or local suggestions r welcome,planning to get 1 for myself.......>.<
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post Aug 23 2010, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(RJdio @ Aug 22 2010, 10:24 PM)
Hey thanks for the info. The one above is the one I'm interested in. Im going to HK next month - do you think it will be cheaper there ?
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HK maybe cheaper. I suggest U do proper research locally b4 u go there to hunt for it.
its listed for US$3.5K, with 15-20% discount.

IWC Mark XII - pre own was sold at US$1875
http://watchseller.stores.yahoo.net/iwcmarkxiissss.html


Added on August 23, 2010, 1:23 am
QUOTE(cloud999 @ Aug 23 2010, 12:03 AM)
not cheap i think. rm200++ is the lowest, nice design too, very sporty. Just not very clear about where are they coming from originally. Because swiss chronoforce are not listed as one of the swiss made watches and most of watch shop claimed this brand as Swiss Army little brother. Maybe they are using original swiss material and assembled in China. Cheap labor i guess.

I'm planning to get this watch for raya. Will get back to u guys with more update. Got to do some experiment with it first.  nod.gif

Next target would Orient automatic Watch.  tongue.gif
U should just go for Orient automatic.

where did U read its swiss army little brother?
I doubt its swiss material. they didn't even list on their site its swiss movement.
maybe swiss design, but movement and parts made in china.

I have not seen any pic of the back. when U do find 1, do take a pic of the back and show us!


Added on August 23, 2010, 1:41 am
QUOTE(highwind85 @ Aug 23 2010, 12:52 AM)
guys..i'm back..i was looking at a tissot PRC200 quartz chrono previously for roughly rm1k...then my friend suggested me me a PRC200 automatics chrono...and it's rm1.8k...do you think it's worth the extra rm800?
http://www.watchshop.com/mens-tissot-prc20...652-p29833.html
http://www.watchshop.com/mens-tissot-prc20...-p99930806.html
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more like extra ~1K. this tissot chrono movement is ETA C01.211 base on 5100 and a swatch watch movement 2250 and it does have plastic parts. from what I read Plastic age and they break and require replacement over time unlike 7750.
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I think for auto chrono this more value for $$. its on ETA 7750 found on many watches.
http://www.christopherward.co.uk/men/view-chrono/c40skk.html

info on eta 7750 and brands that use this engine
http://www.chronomaddox.com/valjoux_7750_engine.html

pic of ETA C01.211
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pic of 7750
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post Aug 23 2010, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Aug 23 2010, 01:19 AM)

Added on August 23, 2010, 1:23 am
U should just go for Orient automatic.

where did U read its swiss army little brother?
I doubt its swiss material. they didn't even list on their site its swiss movement.
maybe swiss design, but movement and parts made in china.

I have not seen any pic of the back. when U do find 1, do take a pic of the back and show us!

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Not read it but when I ask the salesman, they always came up with that answer. Seems like they want people to buy it rather than explaining the real things. The same goes to Buzz Mecanique. Actually, im saving a bit for my baju raya and angpau. biggrin.gif

Will do patryn33.

Btw, got any recommendations for watches below rm500?
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post Aug 23 2010, 05:25 AM

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there are orient/seiko/citizen at under 500 rm.

for swiss quartz
http://www.bernhardtwatch.com/chronograph.html
http://www.thewatchery.com/Golana%20Swiss/Watches/Mens

eg
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pay a little more can get swiss mechanical
http://www.ocean7watchco.com/cs2/index.php...&product_id=117

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post Aug 23 2010, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Aug 23 2010, 01:19 AM)

more like extra ~1K. this tissot chrono movement is ETA C01.211 base on 5100 and a swatch watch movement 2250 and it does have plastic parts. from what I read Plastic age and they break and require replacement over time unlike 7750.
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I think for auto chrono this more value for $$. its on ETA 7750 found on many watches.
http://www.christopherward.co.uk/men/view-chrono/c40skk.html

info on eta 7750 and brands that use this engine
http://www.chronomaddox.com/valjoux_7750_engine.html

pic of ETA C01.211
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pic of 7750
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now i understand why there's another tissot chrono auto model which cost around rm3.5k compared to this one at rm1.9k...

So if i have a budget of rm1500, what watch would you recommend? i'm looking for a chrono...prefer mechanical but can settle for a quartz...
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post Aug 23 2010, 10:12 AM

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with only 1.5K budget get a quartz chrono.
Tissot or http://www.christopherward.co.uk/men/view-chrono.html

FYI a quartz movement only cost US$79. those auto on eta 2824/6498 cost ~US$120
http://www.smithsupplyhouse.com/eta251262.html

or a mechanical russian
I like the 3133 movement better
http://www.russia2all.com/shop-by-russian-...ph_2121208.html
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http://www.russia2all.com/shop-by-russian-...watch_1104.html
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don't get a chrono U can afford a swiss mechanical
eg
http://www.christopherward.co.uk/view-auto-s/c8skk-mk2.html
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http://www.archimede-uhren.de/EN/Pilot.htm
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http://www.steinhartwatches.de/index.php?i...3&Sel_ID=25#123
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this is a GMT watch. on ETA 2893-2, no cheap movement. base movement alone cost US$250
http://www.smithsupplyhouse.com/eta28swau9.html
http://www.steinhartwatches.de/index.php?i...r=256&Sel_ID=25
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post Aug 23 2010, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Aug 23 2010, 10:12 AM)
The Russian & Christopher Ward looks interesting
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post Aug 23 2010, 08:49 PM

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I guess most of the time if the brand name consist of Swiss ****, it probably is not Swiss made.
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post Aug 23 2010, 09:23 PM

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now that was really excellent choice of yours. Will consider that too. thumbup.gif

Btw, what do u guys actually consider the most when to buy a watch that really fits you? The functionality, designs, durability, brand, price or else?
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QUOTE(kockroach @ Aug 23 2010, 08:49 PM)
I guess most of the time if the brand name consist of Swiss ****, it probably is not Swiss made.
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The definition of "Swiss Made" is getting dubious by the day. Is it defined by % of components or where the watch is assembled? etc
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post Aug 23 2010, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Aug 22 2010, 06:38 PM)
nice Frederique constant. retail price from AD was set at US$1125. their discount is like longines... ~25-30%.
their goal is to make high quality mechanical watches at affordable prices.
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Looks like this one. Textured 39.3mm dial, Roman numerals, leather strap, ETA2824-2. USD$329.
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http://www.tissotwatchstore.com/watches/ti...41.1.423.33.htm
Found it on eBay, bidding starts at USD$208, but China seller (1075 feedbacks). Fake or real? OMG I'm poisoning myself...
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-TISSOT-AUTOMATIC-W...#ht_2109wt_1085

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post Aug 23 2010, 10:28 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Made#Swiss_watch_movement

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post Aug 24 2010, 07:00 AM

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how is that so? the definition is getting stricter by the day

anyway today is the below, iirc they are changing 50% of the component to 70%.
here is the link from the source. exact info from wiki
http://www.fhs.ch/en/swissm.php
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Only when it is Swiss, may a watch carry the indications "Swiss made" or "Swiss", or any other expression containing the word "Swiss" or its translation, on the outside. According to Section 1a OSM, a watch is considered to be Swiss if:

   * its movement is Swiss;
    * its movement is cased up in Switzerland;
    * and the manufacturer carries out the final inspection in Switzerland..


A Swiss watch movement

As we have seen, to be Swiss, a watch must use a Swiss movement. According to Section 2 OSM, a movement is considered to be Swiss if:

    * it has been assembled in Switzerland;
    * it has been inspected by the manufacturer in Switzerland; and
    * the components of Swiss manufacture account for at least 50 percent of the total value, without taking into account the cost of assembly.

If the movement fulfills these conditions, but the watch is not assembled in Switzerland, the "Swiss" indication may be affixed to one of the components of the movement. On the outside of the watch, may then only appear the "mouvement suisse" or "Swiss movement" indication. Section 3 § 3 OSM requires that the word "movement" appear in full, and be written in the same type-face, of identical size and colour, as the word "Swiss".




Those with Deep Pockets.. Louis Moinet is having 50% sale off the listed price on their US website.
check out www.LMtime.com and view all our models online. email michael@lmtime.com to place the order.


brand history
http://www.virtualonlineeditions.com/displ...e.php?id=124719
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The French-born watchmaker Louis Moinet dedicated his life to the advancement of horology. Considered one of the greatest innovators of his time, Moinet created a number of groundbreaking improvements, collaborated with Abraham-Louis Breguet and manufactured sophisticated clocks for presidents, royalty and an emperor.

In addition to his technical background in watchmaking, Moinet also studied drawing and painting as a young boy, moving to Rome when he was 20 years old to study architecture and sculpting.

When he returned to Paris in 1795, Moinet was made professor of Fine Arts at the Louvre. It was during his tenure, that he renewed his study of watchmaking, a passion that would soon overtake his life.

Serving as president of the Chronometry Society in 1800, Moinet was an acknowledged authority on watchmaking. He invented a counter, regulator and astronomical watch that was considered groundbreaking in the 19th century and whose designs remain vital today. Moinet’s clever inventions caught the attention of Breguet, the father of modern watchmaking.

Moinet accepted Breguet’s invitation to become his personal adviser, living in Breguet’s home until Breguet died in 1823.

While Moinet’s technical achievements were impressive, it’s important to remember that he was also an in-demand clockmaker whose creations were coveted by King George IV as well as U.S. Presidents Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe. Today, Moinet’s work is displayed at the Louvre, Versailles and the White House.


Q & A with Michael Brader-Araje and Jean-Marie Schaller of Louis Moinet
http://www.timezone.com/library/extras/200901265588

crazy price.. US$4.7 Million for 4 watch set!
http://ablogtoread.com/louis-moinet/louis-...oris-watch-set/

these maybe the cheapest retailing at US$6900 (LE of 60pcs)
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[quote=patryn33,Aug 24 2010, 07:00 AM]
how is that so? the definition is getting stricter by the day

anyway today is the below, iirc they are changing 50% of the component to 70%.
here is the link from the source. exact info from wiki
http://www.fhs.ch/en/swissm.php
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Well I have seen Swiss Watch companies ( which shall remain nameless ) with factories in China doing quite a bit of work there. Not surprising given the high costs of doing business & Switzerland & the shortage of skilled labor .
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There is no shortage of skilled labour, just a shortage of companies willing to pay the price of labour which is skilled.
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QUOTE(kotmj @ Aug 24 2010, 12:11 PM)
There is no shortage of skilled labour, just a shortage of companies willing to pay the price of labour which is skilled.
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It's called "globalization" & "enhancing shareholder value"

I've seen half finished designer branded goods waiting to be shipped to EC to be "finished" with the very important made in EU label. I've heard anecdotes of Malaysian Tailors ( especially women ) doing the finishing work for SR tailors ... the list goes on

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