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post Aug 25 2011, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Aug 23 2011, 03:21 AM)
And the car I drove, I'm not sure why but it came with 2 cigratte receptacle port...
I believe only 1 is cigarette lighter port, others are single function power outlet. 2 isn't alot, Santa Fe has at least 3-4 . laugh.gif

Anyway, I may be reposting rumors but :

- Launching should be in November.
- In Korea it comes in either 1.6 or 1.8L, 6 speed AT with Shiftronic so naturally we'll be getting these engines as well, but there's also rumor spreading within that we might get 2.0 version as well, can't promise or confirm with you all on that.
- First batch is CBU and will be CKD onward. Parts are imported, difference is assembly location, orders and delivery will definitely be faster than CBUs like Sonata, Tucson if they're CKD.

HSDM will of course price it 'competitively' with our Japanese competitors. So you will either see a huge gap in pricing, or a car with smaller gap pricing, but choke full of accessory not found on Japanese's marques. The latter is more likely, as with the trend starting from Tucson and Sonata(Smaller price gap, more accessories).

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Aug 25 2011, 12:51 PM)
I believe only 1 is cigarette lighter port, others are single function power outlet. 2 isn't alot, Santa Fe has at least 3-4 . laugh.gif

Anyway, I may be reposting rumors but :

- Launching should be in November.
- In Korea it comes in either 1.6 or 1.8L, 6 speed AT with Shiftronic so naturally we'll be getting these engines as well, but there's also rumor spreading within that we might get 2.0 version as well, can't promise or confirm with you all on that.
- First batch is CBU and will be CKD onward. Parts are imported, difference is assembly location, orders and delivery will definitely be faster than CBUs like Sonata, Tucson if they're CKD.

HSDM will of course price it 'competitively' with our Japanese competitors. So you will either see a huge gap in pricing, or a car with smaller gap pricing, but choke full of accessory not found on Japanese's marques. The latter is more likely, as with the trend starting from Tucson and Sonata(Smaller price gap, more accessories).
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post Aug 25 2011, 06:21 PM

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before this say it is in september... then someone mentioned october.. not u r saying november.. then let's wait the new Civic to launch first la like that..
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QUOTE(chenster @ Aug 25 2011, 06:21 PM)
before this say it is in september... then someone mentioned october.. not u r saying november.. then let's wait the new Civic to launch first la like that..
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Maybe it's due to the high demands for Sonata/Tucson/Starex that they have to push back Elantra's shipment a few months. HSDM is barely keeping up with the current waiting list(so is my showroom blush.gif), hope they can get everything smooth flowing soon!

You sure we will get the Civic the moment it's launched? History backs the fact that in Malaysia all car's are at least 1 years old in certain market before official dealer brings them in.

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post Aug 25 2011, 08:01 PM

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Seriously.... November....? Seriously?

If they cannot cope with such volume (it really isn't that high base on the numbers of Sonata/Tucson/Starex or even Sonata on the road) ... Like tat even if they have the best product in the world, they would phail miserably.....

why oh why.....

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post Aug 25 2011, 08:11 PM

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if nov better get it mac 2012... Save 1 year resale value...
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QUOTE(epo @ Aug 25 2011, 08:11 PM)
if nov better get it mac 2012... Save 1 year resale value...
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The cut off date for car is at March? What if I buy this car on January? Means by March will be 1 year car?

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post Aug 25 2011, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Aug 25 2011, 08:01 PM)
Seriously.... November....? Seriously?

If they cannot cope with such volume (it really isn't that high base on the numbers of  Sonata/Tucson/Starex or even Sonata on the road) ... Like tat even if they have the best product in the world, they would phail miserably.....

why oh why.....
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Depends on how you see it, did you know that Hyundai car sales in 2010 grow by nearly 40%? Tucson + Sonata contribute the most and it happens at mostly latter half of the year. If HSDM shipping capacity was adjusted to say 1000 Hyundais per month, a sudden leap of 400 cars per month can cause problem.

This year alone, we have Santa Fe facelift, Starex Royale facelift, i10 facelift as well. The reason you don't see them a lot on the road is because Hyundai's market share in Malaysia is small to start with. It used to be that I see Hyundai car once every 2-3 days, now I see at least 3-4 times per day just looking out at the road of my dealer, imagine that!

The unfortunate tragedy of March 11 has also pushed some buyer from the Japanese's marques into Koreans. With limited choice from other Korean brands, Hyundai was the way to go, further creating backlogs.

Due to all these factors, Tucson waiting period has been increased, with Sonata close to being overwhelmed as well. One trim of Starex Royale waiting period has increased slightly due to the sudden increase in purchase(Malay customers surged as they buy cars for Hari Raya balik kampung), even CKD models like i10 and Santa Fe has sporadic delays of 1 week or so. We dealers are actually frustrated by Elantra's launch delay because our current Elantra has long since sold out, all our C-Segment customers going to the Forte sad.gif

The delivery overtime theory is however, my speculation on why Elantra is being delayed, as I do not work for Sime Darby, we're only getting spotty news and rumors from them. If I ever get a confirmed news that's not restricted to employee only, I'll post it up.

QUOTE(epo @ Aug 25 2011, 08:11 PM)
if nov better get it mac 2012... Save 1 year resale value...
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You're free to do so, but are you ready to :

- Endure delays if Elantra sales ever 'boom' like Tucson did? Tucson waiting period is now at least 3-4 months(vs usual 2-3). If you order in January, you might still get 2010's shipment, if not, you might end up waiting till June for your car, that's half a year gone on your 'save 1 year' resales value. brows.gif
- Shake off the CKD mindset? HSDM might pass the aseembly of Elantra to Inokom, Even though the parts are all imported and assembly are all the same, only in different places, many people still thinks CKD is lower quality.
- Uncertain interest rate? Interest rate is rumored to go up next month, a lot of my customer is going to miss out on very low 2.5-2.6% interest rate of August just because they can't make up their mind and make their purchases really late in August.

QUOTE(whtrader @ Aug 25 2011, 08:24 PM)
The cut off date for car is at March? What if I buy this car on January? Means by March will be 1 year car?
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Average CBU delivery from Korea is 2-3 months, so by epo's theory, if he orders the Elantra on January, he will get the 2012 production car by Feb-March. That doesn't always work unfortunately, because delivery schedule can hasten or slow down. As dealers we do not know what order Sime Darby placed to Hyundai in Korea. There might be possibility of say, the Hyundai Tucson long wait period suddenly reduced back to normalcy.

Who knows, there's already a batch of Elantra hiding in a Sime Darby depot I do not know of, just that Sime Darby is timing it's launch for various reason that I do not know. brows.gif

So seriously guys, making a decision to buy what car is actually very easy, a lot of headache is self inflicted laugh.gif Buy the car you like, instead of ending up in a car you don't like driving around just because you want petty greeds like measly personal discount offered by SA or resale value. smile.gif

Note : Customer is willing to wait for the Tucson despite the waiting period biggrin.gif

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bro FluidicSculpture....BEHHHH TA HANN ARR!!!!!!!! FASTER!!!!!! xD !!
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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Aug 25 2011, 08:29 PM)
Depends on how you see it, did you know that Hyundai car sales in 2010 grow by nearly 40%? Tucson + Sonata contribute the most and it happens at mostly latter half of the year. If HSDM shipping capacity was adjusted to say 1000 Hyundais per month, a sudden leap of 400 cars per month can cause problem.

This year alone, we have Santa Fe facelift, Starex Royale facelift, i10 facelift as well. The reason you don't see them a lot on the road is because Hyundai's market share in Malaysia is small to start with. It used to be that I see Hyundai car once every 2-3 days, now I see at least 3-4 times per day just looking out at the road of my dealer, imagine that!

The unfortunate tragedy of March 11 has also pushed some buyer from the Japanese's marques into Koreans. With limited choice from other Korean brands, Hyundai was the way to go, further creating backlogs.

Due to all these factors, Tucson waiting period has been increased, with Sonata close to being overwhelmed as well. One trim of Starex Royale waiting period has increased slightly due to the sudden increase in purchase(Malay customers surged as they buy cars for Hari Raya balik kampung), even CKD models like i10 and Santa Fe has sporadic delays of 1 week or so. We dealers are actually frustrated by Elantra's launch delay because our current Elantra has long since sold out, all our C-Segment customers going to the Forte sad.gif

The delivery overtime theory is however, my speculation on why Elantra is being delayed, as I do not work for Sime Darby, we're only getting spotty news and rumors from them. If I ever get a confirmed news that's not restricted to employee only, I'll post it up.
You're free to do so, but are you ready to :

- Endure delays if Elantra sales ever 'boom' like Tucson did? Tucson waiting period is now at least 3-4 months(vs usual 2-3). If you order in January, you might still get 2010's shipment, if not, you might end up waiting till June for your car, that's half a year gone on your 'save 1 year' resales value. brows.gif
- Shake off the CKD mindset?  HSDM might pass the aseembly of Elantra to Inokom, Even though the parts are all imported and assembly are all the same, only in different places, many people still thinks CKD is lower quality.
- Uncertain interest rate? Interest rate is rumored to go up next month, a lot of my customer is going to miss out on very low 2.5-2.6% interest rate of August just because they can't make up their mind and make their purchases really late in August.
Average CBU delivery from Korea is 2-3 months, so by epo's theory, if he orders the Elantra on January, he will get the 2012 production car by Feb-March. That doesn't always work unfortunately, because delivery schedule can hasten or slow down. As dealers we do not know what order Sime Darby placed to Hyundai in Korea. There might be possibility of say, the Hyundai Tucson long wait period suddenly reduced back to normalcy.

Who knows, there's already a batch of Elantra hiding in a Sime Darby depot I do not know of, just that Sime Darby is timing it's launch for various reason that I do not know. brows.gif

So seriously guys, making a decision to buy what car is actually very easy, a lot of headache is self inflicted laugh.gif Buy the car you like, instead of ending up in a car you don't like driving around just because you want petty greeds like measly personal discount offered by SA or resale value. smile.gif

Note : Customer is willing to wait for the Tucson despite the waiting period biggrin.gif
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Lengthy explanations. Thanks... How sure the fact that 1st batch is CBU and remaining one is CKD?
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post Aug 26 2011, 12:48 AM

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Let's say launching is Nov and i book immediately.. I wonder when will i get the car..
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post Aug 26 2011, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Aug 25 2011, 12:51 PM)
I believe only 1 is cigarette lighter port, others are single function power outlet. 2 isn't alot, Santa Fe has at least 3-4 . laugh.gif

Anyway, I may be reposting rumors but :

- Launching should be in November.
- In Korea it comes in either 1.6 or 1.8L, 6 speed AT with Shiftronic so naturally we'll be getting these engines as well, but there's also rumor spreading within that we might get 2.0 version as well, can't promise or confirm with you all on that.
- First batch is CBU and will be CKD onward. Parts are imported, difference is assembly location, orders and delivery will definitely be faster than CBUs like Sonata, Tucson if they're CKD.

HSDM will of course price it 'competitively' with our Japanese competitors. So you will either see a huge gap in pricing, or a car with smaller gap pricing, but choke full of accessory not found on Japanese's marques. The latter is more likely, as with the trend starting from Tucson and Sonata(Smaller price gap, more accessories).
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Ah yes, One is just covered by a cap and the other actually have the lighter port.

I think the new Sonata will be released here in the states quite soon. There's a lot of hype about it now. (and the cars here are dirt cheap compared to the price after tax back at Malaysia shakehead.gif )
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QUOTE(zizheng @ Aug 25 2011, 10:39 PM)
bro FluidicSculpture....BEHHHH TA HANN ARR!!!!!!!! FASTER!!!!!! xD !!
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We dealers also bth la xD We get a lot of cold call asking about Elantra and we don't have proper B, C-segment to sell at all.

QUOTE(burdoc @ Aug 25 2011, 10:56 PM)
Lengthy explanations. Thanks... How sure the fact that 1st batch is CBU and remaining one is CKD?
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As I said, rumors, I can't assure you on that. Since we're expecting Elantra to be quite good selling, CKD is the logical step to keep deliveries smooth.

QUOTE(squareballs @ Aug 26 2011, 12:48 AM)
Let's say launching is Nov and i book immediately.. I wonder when will i get the car..
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Depends on HSDM's business strategy, if they brought in one batch of CBU, you might end up lucky getting these 'ready stock', after loan approval and registration, can get car.

But be warned, a lot of SA are taking personal bookings for the car now. tongue.gif

QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Aug 26 2011, 01:17 AM)
Ah yes, One is just covered by a cap and the other actually have the lighter port.

I think the new Sonata will be released here in the states quite soon. There's a lot of hype about it now. (and the cars here are dirt cheap compared to the price after tax back at Malaysia  shakehead.gif )
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You mean the Sonata facelift? We are not expecting HSDM to bring the facelift in next year or two though biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Aug 26 2011, 07:01 AM)
We dealers also bth la xD We get a lot of cold call asking about Elantra and we don't have proper B, C-segment to sell at all.
As I said, rumors, I can't assure you on that. Since we're expecting Elantra to be quite good selling, CKD is the logical step to keep deliveries smooth.
Depends on HSDM's business strategy, if they brought in one batch of CBU, you might end up lucky getting these 'ready stock', after loan approval and registration, can get car.

But be warned, a lot of SA are taking personal bookings for the car now. tongue.gif
You mean the Sonata facelift? We are not expecting HSDM to bring the facelift in next year or two though biggrin.gif
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Yeap, a lot of ads on TV about it here. That's why a lot of hype about it. Even Toyota desperate to release their camry hybrid here asap....

I wonder will it be available from the car rental company before i come back to malaysia or not...haha...

Elantra will definitely sell well. The car suit Malaysia, we don't really have strong winds so the lightness of the car wont be a problem. I just hope its correctly priced, and not released too late.

It feels lighter than my Wira btw.

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QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Aug 26 2011, 08:39 AM)

It feels lighter than my Wira btw.
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How is that possible? The Wira ranges between 950-980kg, while I'm pretty sure the Elantra would weigh at least 1.2 tonnes if not more.
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QUOTE(gregy @ Aug 26 2011, 09:26 AM)
How is that possible? The Wira ranges between 950-980kg, while I'm pretty sure the Elantra would weigh at least 1.2 tonnes if not more.
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i think he meant it feels lighter when it's driving... I read many reviews are saying the steering feedback is too light, not much grip feel on the road... That's probably one down side of the new Elantra...


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QUOTE(gregy @ Aug 26 2011, 09:26 AM)
How is that possible? The Wira ranges between 950-980kg, while I'm pretty sure the Elantra would weigh at least 1.2 tonnes if not more.
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Aug 26 2011, 10:49 AM)
i think he meant it feels lighter when it's driving... I read many reviews are saying the steering feedback is too light, not much grip feel on the road... That's probably one down side of the new Elantra...
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It would really depends on ppl. It feels light because of the electronic power steering. The "feedback" circuit will vary according to ur speed on the road, the faster you are the tighter the steering gets. Just like the Myvi LB. And I hate it.

For me, my preference is still towards hydraulic system. It doesn't have that "planted" feel anymore in the new Elantra. I wouldn't call it a down side of the new Elantra, if you are a new driver who started the new cars recently that you won't feel a difference. If you come from the old school of cars (old Civics, Sentra's, Sunny, old Saga/Iswara/Wira etc), you will that the driving experience is "disjointed".

Again I stress that this is not a negative point. Its all on your preference. Mind you, I don't own any Hyundai cars (in fact all my cars are Protons). Elantra is really the missing link in Hyundai's portfolio. Right now Hyundai just don't have any cars to compete with the Vios, City, Forte or even Proton's own Inspira.

Ok, now for the actual weight of the Elantra, it IS light (1.3 tonnes). You can feel that the car is being pushed by crosswinds (I was driving from wine county to Petaluma), you can feel the car being blown to the side, yet you don't feel the grip due to the electronic power steering.

Hyundai dealers, for the good of the people who are waiting for the car and also Hyundai itself, please bring in the Elantra asap. Once Ford decide to bring in the new Sedan Focus and Fusion, there won't be any room for the Elantra anymore.

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QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Aug 26 2011, 11:35 AM)
It would really depends on ppl. It feels light because of the electronic power steering. The "feedback" circuit will vary according to ur speed on the road, the faster you are the tighter the steering gets. Just like the Myvi LB. And I hate it.

For me, my preference is still towards hydraulic system. It doesn't have that "planted" feel anymore in the new Elantra. I wouldn't call it a down side of the new Elantra, if you are a new driver who started the new cars recently that you won't feel a difference. If you come from the old school of cars (old Civics, Sentra's, Sunny, old Saga/Iswara/Wira etc), you will that the driving experience is "disjointed".

Again I stress that this is not a negative point. Its all on your preference. Mind you, I don't own any Hyundai cars (in fact all my cars are Protons). Elantra is really the missing link in Hyundai's portfolio. Right now Hyundai just don't have any cars to compete with the Vios, City, Forte or even Proton's own Inspira.

Ok, now for the actual weight of the Elantra, it IS light (1.3 tonnes). You can feel that the car is being pushed by crosswinds (I was driving from wine county to Petaluma), you can feel the car being blown to the side, yet you don't feel the grip due to the electronic power steering.


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Well, I've been driving cars for more than 20 yrs now. Having owned and driven a mish mash of old vehicles with no power steering (Toyota Liteace, Honda Accord 1st gen, Mazda 323 2nd and 3rd gen), to cars with hydraulic PS (P/Wira, Corolla AE101, Mazda 626 Cronos, Accord 7th gen (CM5) and Civic FD) to cars with EPS (H/City iDSI and currently Forte 2.0SX), I seriously don't understand what the fuss is all about.

Yes, there is a slight difference between EPS and hydraulics, but not to the point that causes the former to feel floaty or disjointed. To fully appreciate the difference, you'd have to compare like for like, i.e., two similar cars with the same suspension setup, but one with EPS and the other with hydraulics. More likely than not, it is the particular model's suspension and steering setup that make all the difference rather than the EPS. My gf's Myvi SE uses ol' skool hydraulics and the car feels floaty and disjointed nonetheless smile.gif

You have to understand that all steering systems are mechanical in nature, i.e., there is a mechanical linkage between the steering column and front wheels. Assistance can either be hydraulic or electric (not electronic). I wouldn't drive any car that didn't have a failsafe mechanical linkage to steer my car in the case of power loss. It's all in the tuning. Many new cars have variable gearing power assistance even with hydraulic systems and those cars too, can feel un-involving. The beauty of EPS is that the engineers can program the EPS motor to respond in a more involving way whereas with hydraulic systems you're pretty much stuck with whatever it was designed to do.

I happen to have a sibling who owns a Forte 1.6SX with hydraulic power steering so I have managed to compare his car and mine. To be honest, the difference is negligible; in fact I prefer EPS (MDPS in Hyundai/Kia speak) for day to day driving as it is a bit easier to drive at low speeds and for parking.

1.3 tonnes is not a featherweight by any means, at least when compared to a 950kg Wira smile.gif Crosswinds will also take lorries out, what more a passenger car. Another reason for the lack of "feel" when faced with crosswinds is simply due to the superior road handling of the car. Don't forget that this and many modern cars are equipped with electronic stability control systems which help keep you planted and going in a straight line rather than being forced off the road. The electric power steering is modulated based on vehicle speed, steering input, throttle position etc so ya, in a way, you don't have to fight the car as much as you'd have to with an older hydraulic system. The feeling of being pushed to the side is inevitable because cars are sprung to absorb lateral forces and not horizontal ones. Even Accords and Camrys will get that being pushed feeling regardless. It's what happens when you're being pushed that matters.

This whole argument would've been moot had it been that you were being pushed to the kerb and yet you didn't sense it until it was too late. The reality is, the ESC/TC/whatever and EPS helped to keep you on the road, taking away the stress of needing to fight with the car. There is a difference between "light" and "effortless" smile.gif

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