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 2011 Hyundai Avante/Elantra

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post Aug 22 2011, 11:19 PM

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I manage to get my hands on the 2011 Elantra and I must say its quite impressive. FC also pretty good if you don't floor pedal too much. Steering's pretty light though.

Correctly priced, its going to sell.
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post Aug 23 2011, 03:21 AM

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I drove it a while in US as I rented it from Hertz.

FC wise is pretty good, there'a an "Eco" indicator to help you to see if you are driving economically. On long distance driving, it could be even better than the Ford Fusion (if you cruise 70-80 miles, which is abt 140kph). You can choose to off the Eco mode, and the power starts kicking it, a lot.

Brake is short and sensitive. I would prefer the freeplay is a bit longer. Right now the freeplay is only like, 1cm.

The steering's light cuz of the eletronic power steering, so you might feel a bit "disjointed" when you try to turn the wheel during stationary.

Its a good and sleek sedan car, but its quite light and you can actually feel the car being pushed to the side if the sidewinds are too string (10km/h). Mind you this is with a load of 4 full adults, after a shopping spree.

FC is about 30 mpg (12.75km/l) in city driving, can hit about 40mpg (17.5 km/l) in highway. Note that the petrol grade here in US is only like R89/R91 here. R95 is considered to be premium grade here.

And the car I drove, I'm not sure why but it came with 2 cigratte receptacle port...

This is in comparison to the Proton Wira which I drove in Malaysia...
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post Aug 23 2011, 11:15 PM

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FC is according to per computer calculations. Din't manage to pump the car yet.

Note that its hard to build up momentum in the first 2 gears without breaking out of ECO mode.
U don't really feel the shift shock....its almost on par with any CVT transmissions out there.

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post Aug 26 2011, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Aug 25 2011, 12:51 PM)
I believe only 1 is cigarette lighter port, others are single function power outlet. 2 isn't alot, Santa Fe has at least 3-4 . laugh.gif

Anyway, I may be reposting rumors but :

- Launching should be in November.
- In Korea it comes in either 1.6 or 1.8L, 6 speed AT with Shiftronic so naturally we'll be getting these engines as well, but there's also rumor spreading within that we might get 2.0 version as well, can't promise or confirm with you all on that.
- First batch is CBU and will be CKD onward. Parts are imported, difference is assembly location, orders and delivery will definitely be faster than CBUs like Sonata, Tucson if they're CKD.

HSDM will of course price it 'competitively' with our Japanese competitors. So you will either see a huge gap in pricing, or a car with smaller gap pricing, but choke full of accessory not found on Japanese's marques. The latter is more likely, as with the trend starting from Tucson and Sonata(Smaller price gap, more accessories).
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Ah yes, One is just covered by a cap and the other actually have the lighter port.

I think the new Sonata will be released here in the states quite soon. There's a lot of hype about it now. (and the cars here are dirt cheap compared to the price after tax back at Malaysia shakehead.gif )
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post Aug 26 2011, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Aug 26 2011, 07:01 AM)
We dealers also bth la xD We get a lot of cold call asking about Elantra and we don't have proper B, C-segment to sell at all.
As I said, rumors, I can't assure you on that. Since we're expecting Elantra to be quite good selling, CKD is the logical step to keep deliveries smooth.
Depends on HSDM's business strategy, if they brought in one batch of CBU, you might end up lucky getting these 'ready stock', after loan approval and registration, can get car.

But be warned, a lot of SA are taking personal bookings for the car now. tongue.gif
You mean the Sonata facelift? We are not expecting HSDM to bring the facelift in next year or two though biggrin.gif
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Yeap, a lot of ads on TV about it here. That's why a lot of hype about it. Even Toyota desperate to release their camry hybrid here asap....

I wonder will it be available from the car rental company before i come back to malaysia or not...haha...

Elantra will definitely sell well. The car suit Malaysia, we don't really have strong winds so the lightness of the car wont be a problem. I just hope its correctly priced, and not released too late.

It feels lighter than my Wira btw.

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post Aug 26 2011, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(gregy @ Aug 26 2011, 09:26 AM)
How is that possible? The Wira ranges between 950-980kg, while I'm pretty sure the Elantra would weigh at least 1.2 tonnes if not more.
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Aug 26 2011, 10:49 AM)
i think he meant it feels lighter when it's driving... I read many reviews are saying the steering feedback is too light, not much grip feel on the road... That's probably one down side of the new Elantra...
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It would really depends on ppl. It feels light because of the electronic power steering. The "feedback" circuit will vary according to ur speed on the road, the faster you are the tighter the steering gets. Just like the Myvi LB. And I hate it.

For me, my preference is still towards hydraulic system. It doesn't have that "planted" feel anymore in the new Elantra. I wouldn't call it a down side of the new Elantra, if you are a new driver who started the new cars recently that you won't feel a difference. If you come from the old school of cars (old Civics, Sentra's, Sunny, old Saga/Iswara/Wira etc), you will that the driving experience is "disjointed".

Again I stress that this is not a negative point. Its all on your preference. Mind you, I don't own any Hyundai cars (in fact all my cars are Protons). Elantra is really the missing link in Hyundai's portfolio. Right now Hyundai just don't have any cars to compete with the Vios, City, Forte or even Proton's own Inspira.

Ok, now for the actual weight of the Elantra, it IS light (1.3 tonnes). You can feel that the car is being pushed by crosswinds (I was driving from wine county to Petaluma), you can feel the car being blown to the side, yet you don't feel the grip due to the electronic power steering.

Hyundai dealers, for the good of the people who are waiting for the car and also Hyundai itself, please bring in the Elantra asap. Once Ford decide to bring in the new Sedan Focus and Fusion, there won't be any room for the Elantra anymore.

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post Aug 30 2011, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(gregy @ Aug 26 2011, 04:03 PM)
Well, I've been driving cars for more than 20 yrs now. Having owned and driven a mish mash of old vehicles with no power steering (Toyota Liteace, Honda Accord 1st gen, Mazda 323 2nd and 3rd gen), to cars with hydraulic PS (P/Wira, Corolla AE101, Mazda 626 Cronos, Accord 7th gen (CM5) and Civic FD) to cars with EPS (H/City iDSI and currently Forte 2.0SX), I seriously don't understand what the fuss is all about.

Yes, there is a slight difference between EPS and hydraulics, but not to the point that causes the former to feel floaty or disjointed. To fully appreciate the difference, you'd have to compare like for like, i.e., two similar cars with the same suspension setup, but one with EPS and the other with hydraulics. More likely than not, it is the particular model's suspension and steering setup that make all the difference rather than the EPS. My gf's Myvi SE uses ol' skool hydraulics and the car feels floaty and disjointed nonetheless smile.gif 

You have to understand that all steering systems are mechanical in nature, i.e., there is a mechanical linkage between the steering column and front wheels. Assistance can either be hydraulic or electric (not electronic). I wouldn't drive any car that didn't have a failsafe mechanical linkage to steer my car in the case of power loss. It's all in the tuning. Many new cars have variable gearing power assistance even with hydraulic systems and those cars too, can feel un-involving. The beauty of EPS is that the engineers can program the EPS motor to respond in a more involving way whereas with hydraulic systems you're pretty much stuck with whatever it was designed to do.

I happen to have a sibling who owns a Forte 1.6SX with hydraulic power steering so I have managed to compare his car and mine. To be honest, the difference is negligible; in fact I prefer EPS (MDPS in Hyundai/Kia speak) for day to day driving as it is a bit easier to drive at low speeds and for parking.

1.3 tonnes is not a featherweight by any means, at least when compared to a 950kg Wira smile.gif  Crosswinds will also take lorries out, what more a passenger car. Another reason for the lack of "feel" when faced with crosswinds is simply due to the superior road handling of the car. Don't forget that this and many modern cars are equipped with electronic stability control systems which help keep you planted and going in a straight line rather than being forced off the road. The electric power steering is modulated based on vehicle speed, steering input, throttle position etc so ya, in a way, you don't have to fight the car as much as you'd have to with an older hydraulic system. The feeling of being pushed to the side is inevitable because cars are sprung to absorb lateral forces and not horizontal ones. Even Accords and Camrys will get that being pushed feeling regardless. It's what happens when you're being pushed that matters.

This whole argument would've been moot had it been that you were being pushed to the kerb and yet you didn't sense it until it was too late. The reality is, the ESC/TC/whatever and EPS helped to keep you on the road, taking away the stress of needing to fight with the car. There is a difference between "light" and "effortless" smile.gif
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Thanks for your opinion on this as well. I did not have have the luxury to drive a similar-equivalent car, so I had to make it clear that my points were given based on a Wira driven in Malaysia, while I drove the Elantra in the States where the crosswinds could hit up to 20-30 mph (50-60 kph). Note that in the same trip in the same place, the wind push was not so significant in the Ford Fusion Hybrid (well, that car was 1.7 tonnes to be fair). While I sense that "push" and to be clear I did not hit the curb, otherwise i'll be in trouble when i return the car back to the rental company tongue.gif . I was busy correcting the car all the time in my 4-5 hours drive on the freeway doh.gif . To be fair, its also my first time driving overseas, so blame my skill too laugh.gif .

Yes, EPS and HPS are both up to preference, for me, I prefer HPS (the other EPS car I drove was the Myvi EPS and I din't like that either).

I could not make an apple-to-apple comparison, glad you could come in and voice out your points.

Anyway, EPS should not be the main critical factor in make your decision to buy this car. If the car could come in earlier into Malaysia, I would have line up to pre-order the car earlier.

But seriously, the more Hyundai wait to launch the car here, the more they lose. They should have launched it earlier when the window is good, but skip it and focus on the Sonata.

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post Aug 31 2011, 04:23 AM

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Maybe we should start mass-mailing Hyundai tongue.gif
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post Sep 13 2011, 01:38 PM

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I drove the 1.8 in the States and it doesn't have the Start/Stop button so don't expect the 1.6 one to have loh...


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post Sep 14 2011, 02:25 PM

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Below is my findings, the one in bracket is official value.

highway : 38.8 - 39.4 mpg (40 mpg). Best FC cruising speed seems to be around 80-85 mpg which is 128-136 kph. converted to l/100km, it would be around 6.0311432 liters/100 km.

City : 27-28mpg (30mpg). 8.4 l/100km

Please note that the ECO indicator will turn on if you are driving "economically". Otherwise the car will drink the petrol like water to get the power you need. And it does consume a lot of petrol very quick (quicker than my 1.6 XLI wira) if you trash the gas pedal.

I saw Hyundai Elantra banners that the car will be available in Nov/Dec this year around in Penang btw...


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I was near San Francisco in Cali, where temperature are around 28C in the day and 16C at night. So yeah, add that 10%.

And oh...1 more thing...the "mouth" of the boot space is quite small, about the same as the Inspira. You need to "insert" your things into the boot rather that "putting" into it.

Cruise control will lower your mpg by about 1mpg. The values earlier were achieved without CC.

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Sep 22 2011, 12:32 AM)
So you rather have the price gap narrowed for more accessories, like Tucson/Sonata? biggrin.gif

Humans are sure hard to please either way tongue.gif
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I would like to see the banner too o.O!
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The banner is in queensbay mall smile.gif.
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post Sep 27 2011, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Sep 23 2011, 09:57 AM)
got pic bro?
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Sorry was in KL haha. Wait till I go QBM i go see if the banner still there. No specific dates are given but its only stated end of 2011.
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post Sep 28 2011, 01:53 PM

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I previously found the banner on the 2nd floor, north wing (Maybank side). Its hanging across near digital match there at the walkway.

I went there again for lunch, dont see the banner there anymore sad.gif.
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post Sep 28 2011, 03:08 PM

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Maybe overseas will have Elantra Turbo liao or Elantra SE by the time it reaches local shore....

HSDM is really lagging behind badly, lag anymore will be another business loss for them.

Its very rare for Malaysians to be almost "begging" for a car to be brought in into our country. doh.gif

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