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Vorador
post Dec 22 2010, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Dec 16 2010, 10:41 AM)
Advice to Vorador
If you're new to this, dont start with your PG, it'll be wasting your money..
Try everything on a HG kit. Practice and get the feel of everything.
Learn the fundamentals and once you are confident then only go to PG. PG is not easy as it has many parts.
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many thanks for ur advice notworthy.gif

but i wont simply saw it like that, will built it first and see how I suppose to do it. and the only part i will do the mod is SF's front skirt, any may be sand the leg armor a bit to make it looks more details.

anyway i shall do experiment with a small box of SD zaku here... or may be i will go buy a box of bendi gundam to try tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Dec 22 2010, 06:00 PM

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eh guys, any miniature train hobby shops around in PJ area? i am actually looking for acrylic paint in small bottles. coz i went to tamiya store in one utama, my God it's 17 bucks for a quite big bottle. i dont need that much.

any advice? thanks.
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post Dec 22 2010, 08:13 PM

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Tuv bro, if you actually read around, you will find names like icw and tkting used quite often here.

Pm rayloke if you wanna know more about icw
Pm tkting if you wanna know more about his stock. Alternatively, try mgs2u.com
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post Dec 23 2010, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(shauno @ Dec 22 2010, 08:13 PM)
Tuv bro, if you actually read around, you will find names like icw and tkting used quite often here.

Pm rayloke if you wanna know more about icw
Pm tkting if you wanna know more about his stock. Alternatively, try mgs2u.com
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yo bro, i emailed mgs2u.com, but he says the order is closed for this month, and the waiting period is around one to two months.

mana boleh tahan until that long la?

okok i shall pm those two guys u mentioned. thanks man.

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post Dec 23 2010, 12:59 PM

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i see. you can also always look at xl shop or gamer's corner. why go acrylic tho? afaik, only tamiya's acrylics are widely available. if you go lacquer, eg mr color/gaia its more widely available.
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post Dec 23 2010, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(shauno @ Dec 23 2010, 12:59 PM)
i see. you can also always look at xl shop or gamer's corner. why go acrylic tho? afaik, only tamiya's acrylics are widely available. if you go lacquer, eg mr color/gaia its more widely available.
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can advise me where is this XL Shop or Gamer's corner? i am in PJ.

i went to this game workshop in midvalley. they sell but too damn expensive RM 14.00 for one very small bottle.


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post Dec 23 2010, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(TUV-hyperstar @ Dec 23 2010, 04:33 PM)
can advise me where is this XL Shop or Gamer's corner? i am in PJ.

i went to this game workshop in midvalley. they sell but too damn expensive RM 14.00 for one very small bottle.
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xl-shop is everywhere lol
check their website xl-shop.com
gamer's arena is located at BTS
for more shop list go here
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/392450
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post Dec 23 2010, 07:04 PM

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hi, may i ask how to get the tiny silver dots effect on this awesome blue mecha?

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post Dec 23 2010, 09:52 PM

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Well,iinm, the specs are due to some silver being added into the blue. What you're seeing there are most likely silver particles from the paint. Hope it's helpful.
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post Dec 23 2010, 10:51 PM

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Someone did a chrome spoon test long time back, just wanna know the exact steps in making it chrome.

Do we spray gloss black -> metallic silver -> top gloss coat?
Which stage do we apply the tamiya compound & finishing compound (before or after final top gloss coat? Do we need to spray a gloss coat after the gloss black?
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post Dec 24 2010, 02:27 AM

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QUOTE(shauno @ Dec 23 2010, 09:52 PM)
Well,iinm, the specs are due to some silver being added into the blue. What you're seeing there are most likely silver particles from the paint. Hope it's helpful.
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not to mention that "metallic" industrial paint mostly has those dots. lol.
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post Dec 24 2010, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(zheyuen @ Dec 24 2010, 02:27 AM)
not to mention that "metallic" industrial paint mostly has those dots. lol.
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IF i'm not wrong, that's cos industrial paints have relatively bigger particles than your hobby paint. therefore, we see 'specs' of silver on the painted product. sometimes it looks nice (like the re-zel up there) and sometimes, it looks hideous. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 24 2010, 01:27 PM

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A noob question to experts here. Is it necessary to apply the surfacer/primer if I want to paint with just Gundam Marker? Like painting MG Sinanju's gold part and the panel lining?

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post Dec 24 2010, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Dec 23 2010, 10:51 PM)
Someone did a chrome spoon test long time back, just wanna know the exact steps in making it chrome.

Do we spray gloss black -> metallic silver -> top gloss coat?
Which stage do we apply the tamiya compound & finishing compound (before or after final top gloss coat? Do we need to spray a gloss coat after the gloss black?
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What u mentioned is just gloss silver.

Chrome, in general term here means mirror reflective. IS that what u mean? a silver like surface where u can almost use to squeeze blackheads on your nose, right?


Basically this technique is not too complicated, but need some practice and experience, and the right tools.

Tools: 2000 grit sand paper, compound(coarse, fine, finish), soft microfibre cloth, (option) chrome powder, acladII chrome silver paint, Gunze Super metallic chrome silver paint.



Option 1:

Surfacer --> Gloss Black --> top coat --> wet sand with high grit sand paper (2000 n above preferably) --> Compound (2~3times with different grit) --> (Repeat the top coat, dry, sand process, until satisfy)--> Chrome magic powder --> DONE (Remember, no top coat)


Option 2:


Surfacer --> Gloss Black --> top coat--> dry (2~3days)-->wet sand with high grit sand paper (2000 n above preferably) --> Compound (2~3times with different grit)--> (Repeat the top coat, dry, sand process, until satisfy)--> Alclad II Chrome Silver --> DONE (Remember, no top coat)


Option 3: (haven't know n seen any person succeed on this yet)

Surfacer --> Gloss Black --> top coat --> wet sand with high grit sand paper (2000 n above preferably) --> Compound (2~3times with different grit) --> (Repeat the top coat, dry, sand process, until satisfy)--> Gunze's Super metallic --> wet sand + Compound (if any imperfection) --> Gunze's Super metallic Chrome Silver --> DONE (Remember, no top coat)


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Basically dont be frightened with the long process, this is more for a perfect mirror finish chrome. You can take away any of the steps if u have constraints. But just bare in mind that, the more u skip the steps, the less mirror perfect u will get.

So basic it just, gloss black--> acladII Chrome Silver.

If the parts r small, it will still give u a chrome silver finish impression.
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post Dec 24 2010, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(shauno @ Dec 24 2010, 08:45 AM)
IF i'm not wrong, that's cos industrial paints have relatively bigger particles than your hobby paint. therefore, we see 'specs' of silver on the painted product. sometimes it looks nice (like the re-zel up there) and sometimes, it looks hideous.  biggrin.gif
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bosny's duno-what-blue (forgot the full name.) looks pretty much like the one in the re-zel tho. not bad. lol.


Added on December 26, 2010, 3:24 pmhey guys, question here.

I just tried spraying pylox without primer.

the result i got was uneven. smooth at some parts, "rocky" at some parts.

what am i doing wrong?

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post Dec 27 2010, 09:15 PM

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Hi All,

I am quite new to modeling, been doing airbrushing with Lacquer, enamels for a few months now... i do my air brush in my car porch.. so its quite airy and i wear a mask from ACE hardware with chemical filters (dont think it works vy well, since once in a while i can still get a sniff of paint/thinners, if i get too close).... i have a fan blowing from behind me to push the vapors away from me. I use industrial thinner to wash my AB.

Lately I am thinking of switching to Tamiya acrylics for the simple reason of it being not so toxic.

I would like to stay with MR hobby & gaia, but getting worried about the health hazards.... Any tips or insights that you may have, especially from those who have been doing models for years, vy much appreciated notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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post Dec 27 2010, 11:40 PM

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May I know why only option 2 need to dry 2-3days for top coat?

Why do we need so many layers of top coat before we put on the chrome? Won't the 1st sand/compound work be smooth enough?

Why for Gunze Metallic we need to wet sand the metallic, won't it remove the shine? Or applies if it's not good in order to reapply the top paint?

Why are top coats not required for finishing? Won't it get scratched easily without top coat?

Also is there any tips to use air gun to prevent "fur" like paint particles? It depends on gun quality, or paint mixture?



QUOTE(rayloke @ Dec 24 2010, 02:26 PM)
Surfacer --> Gloss Black --> top coat--> dry (2~3days)-->wet sand with high grit sand paper (2000 n above preferably) --> Compound (2~3times with different grit)--> (Repeat the top coat, dry, sand process, until satisfy)--> Alclad II Chrome Silver --> DONE (Remember, no top coat)
Option 3: (haven't know n seen any person succeed on this yet)

Surfacer --> Gloss Black --> top coat --> wet sand with high grit sand paper (2000 n above preferably) --> Compound (2~3times with different grit) --> (Repeat the top coat, dry, sand process, until satisfy)-->  Gunze's Super metallic --> wet sand + Compound (if any imperfection) --> Gunze's Super metallic Chrome Silver --> DONE (Remember, no top coat)
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post Dec 29 2010, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Dec 27 2010, 11:40 PM)
May I know why only option 2 need to dry 2-3days for top coat?

Why do we need so many layers of top coat before we put on the chrome? Won't the 1st sand/compound work be smooth enough?
- sorry, being lazy.... basically any top coat  if one needs to wet sand n compound, is always advisable to let the paint fully cure n dry.



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Why for Gunze Metallic we need to wet sand the metallic, won't it remove the shine? Or applies if it's not good in order to reapply the top paint?
- basically, our air is dirty. Hence there's almost impossible to create a 100% perfect spray layer condition. That's the reason why sanding n compounding is almost necessary. Even for real car paint spraying.

The wet sand n compound part is a very delicate process. need to remove any tiny dust trapped by the paint. But one cannot compound or sand too much. Once over do it, the shine will lost.



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Why are top coats not required for finishing? Won't it get scratched easily without top coat?
- Yes, it will be scratched easily. Unfortunately for metalizer paint or chrome powder, even aclad chrome or super metallic chrome paint; the particale of the paint is either weak or unstable.

for metalizer, the paint molecule is unstable, so when u rub/buff onto them, the paint molecule rearrange themselves and result in a chrome like finishing visually.

Even for Aclad chrome or SM chrome, the molecule tends to "float" on top of the bottom paint; means it's not as stable as paint that "grabs" on to the surface. As a result of this unstable condition, it presents a chrome like visual.

Of course there r people coat or spray transparent paint on top of aclad  chrome or SM (super metallic) Chrome. However to me it defeats the purpose of using these paint. Because once u apply anything on top, although u ll still get a metallic silver effect, basically u will lose the mirror like chrome effect, which is the main purpose of using the expensive Aclad Chrome.

So for kits that r done with chrome finish, spray the kit  seperately, adjust the inner frame more or less to the final pose u want, then only assemble. After assembly, only do minor adjustment to the pose. Definitely no more touching or playing with it after that.



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Also is there any tips to use air gun to prevent "fur" like paint particles? It depends on gun quality, or paint mixture?
- "fur"? u means something like spider web? mainly due to mixture ratio


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post Dec 30 2010, 06:48 AM

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The fur effect is something like small bits of web that shoots out sometimes. Meaning the mixture is too thick?
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post Dec 30 2010, 09:40 AM

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Hey guys...just curious...do all metallic paints need a gloss black undercoat to look good? Also...are there any penangites here who've managed to find Zippo lighter fluid in the Bayan Lepas area? I've been told I can find it in the Georgetown area (thanks stevenxsteve!)...but I can't seem to find it in regular hardware stores over in Bayan Lepas...

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