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Vorador
post Nov 26 2010, 03:52 PM

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Hi all, i wanna ask some painting technique...

I wanna do the shading effect, which looks like this:

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But I do not have air brush + compressor, hence I only use those Gundam color spray (those small tin can which dedicated for gundam color one)

May I know if it's possible to achieve such effect via gundam color spray? can give me some tips on it?

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post Nov 26 2010, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(chriswoo @ Nov 26 2010, 04:31 PM)
well vorador

I think video and image show more than a thousand word

try this example

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Hm... ... sounds good but goota waste a lot of spray, but what to do i dun have air brush (and no plan to buy 1) so mah try it out ! thumbup.gif

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post Dec 10 2010, 11:44 PM

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guys i need some opinion... ...

alright i bought the PG strike freedom, suppose it was an extreme happiness but due to too much bashing and knocking in the forum now i feel i'm a dumb coz i bought this.

anyway dun care, i luv strike freedom so no matter how i will support this kit...

okok sorry my question is, frankly speaking the front skirt armor plate for PG strike freedom looks quite boring... so plain...
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I'm planning to do some modding on it to make it look nicer, but i'm so n00b to physical modding and i scare i screw up the whole thing...

so may I ask:

1) if I just wants to cut some line on it, which tool will be useful on gundam kit?

2) if I wants to re-shape the front skirt plate, do I jsut sand paper it until it reach the shape or use some cutting tool?

3) any suggestion on front skirt armor which suitable for strike freedom tongue.gif

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post Dec 11 2010, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(profpoyo @ Dec 11 2010, 12:07 AM)
^ you means you want to add more panel line on the kit right
maybe this can help
http://dc23-mecharts.blogspot.com/2009/12/...ip-part-ii.html
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thank you so much!

whoa this link shows almost everything i need... just that he didn't explain the step on sawing... i might need that as well...
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post Dec 11 2010, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(clivengu @ Dec 11 2010, 05:29 AM)
I understand your feeling.. pls dont get down just because what ppl dislike bout it.. To be able to own a PG should make u happy and a proud owner already. I very wanted to get this kit as well.... if my december budget allow  tongue.gif And I will have the same idea with you, trying to make it look nicer. I think the best feeling will be when u have done an impressive job on this suppose-to-be-boring kit... ppl will no longer look at it the same way...  rclxms.gif

Anyway. I get an idea of repainting it like Keita's White Strike Freedom if I bought my PG.. you can copy its front skirt paneling.. simple but nice. But first i must brushup my Airburshing skill... it has been in the box for 2 years +
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WHITE STRIKE FREEDOM
This is a very useful tutorial with many other different technique. Bookmarked already tongue.gif thanks!
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this is AMAZING mod for strike freedom, and he gave me a VERY GOOD color reference. (coz I planned to replace the dark blue to dark grey, light blue to medium grey, make it looks like white-grayish strike freedom)

thanks for encouraging me man, I remember last time when PG 00 Raiser is out, I dun like it but never say anything, instead congratulate those who have it...

anyway that front skirt paneling is really cool! i gotta copy--pasta it tongue.gif tongue.gif also some metallic color at the back~~~

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post Dec 13 2010, 11:25 AM

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Guys, I have a kinda n00b question….

For the protection coat which we spray on the kit upon completion. I believe ‘flat’ type means not reflecting any light on it. So in such case, if I’m building Strike Freedom which have golden an dshining part on it, if I spray the ‘flat’ type protection coat on it, will it cause it to lost it’s shining-ness? My question is, for such model do I need 2 type of protection coat, 1 gloss and 1 flat?

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post Dec 15 2010, 12:22 AM

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somebody help plz~~~~
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post Dec 15 2010, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(profpoyo @ Dec 15 2010, 12:40 AM)
coz there's already answered by browsing this thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/488910
hope this'll help you

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er... that's not quite what i asked.. but still, thanks for trying ot help notworthy.gif

QUOTE(rayloke @ Dec 15 2010, 02:04 AM)

flat base tends to disturb the reflection of the metallic paint, which these reflections are the main thing that make your metallic paint looks metallic. As a result, u might

face the risk of the metallic turning into something none metallic;
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This is EXACTLY what I need to know, thank you so much for clarify this to me notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif Alright confirmed, I need to go buy 1 more gloss protection coat.

(er... usually u all do the lining b4 or after spraying the protection coat? I b4 right? so can 'cover' the ink inside?)

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post Dec 15 2010, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(shauno @ Dec 15 2010, 05:18 PM)
normally, you have one layer of gloss after painting, before panel lining and decal application. you do panel lines first then decal. afterwards, another layer of top coat. this time one of your choice, so depending on what type of finish you want, use the correct top coat.
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ow... so the first layer of gloss coat wont affect anything... cool. notworthy.gif
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post Dec 16 2010, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(shauno @ Dec 15 2010, 11:26 PM)
as far as i know, you can gloss > panel line > flat coat for the armor etc la.. frame if you wanna keep it bling bling i'm honestly not sure myself..
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alright got it nod.gif looks like gotta spend LOTSA money for it sad.gif
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post Dec 22 2010, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Dec 16 2010, 10:41 AM)
Advice to Vorador
If you're new to this, dont start with your PG, it'll be wasting your money..
Try everything on a HG kit. Practice and get the feel of everything.
Learn the fundamentals and once you are confident then only go to PG. PG is not easy as it has many parts.
Just my 2 cents
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many thanks for ur advice notworthy.gif

but i wont simply saw it like that, will built it first and see how I suppose to do it. and the only part i will do the mod is SF's front skirt, any may be sand the leg armor a bit to make it looks more details.

anyway i shall do experiment with a small box of SD zaku here... or may be i will go buy a box of bendi gundam to try tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Jan 16 2011, 02:22 AM

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guys... long time no see~~~

Hey guys can give me some comment? (And flamming are welcome too!)

PLease see the pic below, got the 'feeling' of shading effect? (Ofcoz... i not dare to say it's 'close' to shading effect)

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Yeah please tell me very straight forward opinion so I can improve next time biggrin.gif (Since this is skill-related)

Note: I haven't spray the non gloss protection coat.

Also, I did only 1 hand... wanna see how can I improve in next part.... (beside buying air brush + compressor)
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post Mar 12 2012, 11:09 PM

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Ok guys... technical questions... I was asking about top coat on painted gunpla...

QUOTE(Vorador @ Mar 12 2012 @ 05:58 PM)
what I planned to do is...

1. Spray a layer of premier white. (This one cheaper mah...)
2. Use weathering effect to do 'shading'
3. Spray my pearl white on.
4. top coat.

The reason I choose pearl white is because it's radiantly shining... .looks lovely....

Can I check with you, semi gloss or gloss top coat will make your kit 'KILAT KILAT' !? I remember this is a big problem with Tamiya's normal spray can... after the spray it looks so plastic... 

btw, tonight I will show 1 pic how I use weathering tool to do shading effect. not very obvious though 


Here's some part I tried to apply the abovementioned technique... This one the shading is not obvious because I itchy hand go and spray another layer of color on top of it... then topcoat... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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post Mar 13 2012, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Mar 12 2012, 11:10 PM)
1. Usually primer/surfacer white is meant for colors red, yellow, etc so that color will be more vibrant
2. wrong
3. wrong

If you want to achieve shading using weathering tools, CAN but not easy and suppose to apply after base color...
Your way of doing should be air brush, black/grey 1st base then white on top to get the shading, this is called pre-shading.

gloss definitely will make it shiny but not very cause didn't polish like those car model kits..
best to try semi and test on a plastic spoon or used runner...

I am doing pearl effect now as well and will final coat with semi. Havn't top coat yet though
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ayeeeee.... forgot to mention... my goal is to achieve shading effect without air brush... in fact, I don't have an air brush... sweat.gif

btw so I mah change it to:

1. spray the color itself
2. use the weathering tool to draw the shading effect. (I tried... not very hard as long as got a layer of spray on the surface)
3. semi-gloss top coat?
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post Mar 13 2012, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Mar 13 2012, 09:37 AM)
lol... i know what you trying to achieve...
if you have air brush then you won't go all the trouble to do this..
yes it is achievable without using air brush but result may vary a lot...

yeah, that's the correct method

you can check this out
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=20985530

After the post you are looking at, check the below one too. smile.gif
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I'm using the white color tin of Mr. Color top coat. Flat one. I will go buy another can of semi-gloss this week.

Actually, I do achieved (ok... may be I should say... 'mimic') the shading effect by using paint brush before. Only this time feels like trying tamiya weathering tool. (Far easier than using paint brush).

The shading method instructed from that post looks a bit risky... because it might spoilt the painting anytime... with my skill I better play it safe.

hoo hoo~~ thank you so much for the info! Will try out and share the result here.
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post Mar 13 2012, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Mar 13 2012, 01:43 PM)
yeah, good option...
good luck smile.gif
IF you're serious into this hobby, invest a Airbrush set, you won't regret...
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BTW, this is my previous result, mimic 'shading' effect via paint brush.... (and it's a painful process!)

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post Mar 13 2012, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Mar 13 2012, 11:53 PM)
not bad not bad!
and you tried it on a PG! respect...
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may be that's the only source of power that moves me to complete the whole thing...
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post Mar 30 2012, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Mar 30 2012, 01:39 AM)
won't destroy, that's why need to LIGHTLY sand it..
use gloss...
flat is flat because of the particles
semi gloss still have a little particles therefore in the middle
where as gloss has not particles which is very smooth and best for applying decals...

Don't worry about multiple coats as long they are not THICK coats.. smile.gif
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coooool man, so just a bit of gloss top coat, after applied the decal then 1 more layer of semi gloss again? (wont affect the decal I assume?)
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post Mar 30 2012, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Mar 30 2012, 11:40 AM)
a thin layer to make it smooth for your decals so when you apply you decals, it'll blend nicely(of course with the help of mark setter or mark softener)
last layer of coat is up to you which is semi gloss... It won't affect your decals, dont worry.. If you're using spray cans for top coat, just be extra careful of frosting...

What we usually do is, sand-->prime-->paint-->gloss(optional)-->panel lines/decal-->final coat(coat of your choice)

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coooool man, thanks for the tips! notworthy.gif can't wait to try out this weekend (coz I have to go buy the gloss topcoat)

btw, i used the mr. hobby's 1200 premier, I think I kind of hate it... first isn't smooth, need to sand a lot afterward. 2nd it makes my floor ultra dusty after the work sad.gif


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post Mar 30 2012, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Mar 30 2012, 04:38 PM)
sure, i'm glad if i'm able to help...

Alright, 1200 surfacer/primer is the smoothest so it should be alright. Your result for not being smooth might be the contents inside are not "mix" well enough or spray too thick.. Airbrush won't have this type of trouble whistling.gif
Yes, if you do not have a proper ventilation, dust will be everywhere..  smile.gif
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ooo i watch some online tutorial for applying decal (yes last time all I did is simply apply it with WATER ALONE, so when came to 3rd party decal... the decal fly off next day...) with help from mark settler and mark softerner, the decal can be applied on rough surface!

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