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Photography Nikon D40/D40x/D60/D3000/D5000 V8, Entry Level Digital SLR from Nikon.

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post Apr 30 2010, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(fisherman10 @ Apr 29 2010, 01:30 AM)
quite true. aperture largest only 3.5 at 18mm. zoom a bit to 50mm, it's already f/5.6

i dont mind 55 coz it's almost like 50mm. but the point is, f/5.6 in such dark lighting is like  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  shakehead.gif
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back to basix lo. forget about the noise, jack up the ISO until 1600, use pop up flash with FV value around -0.7 - -1.7 according to the condition.
seti aperture to 5.6 coz afraid might burn other pict when u take picture fast2. i thnk u can use 1/60 or 1/50 SS. just need to know and wait the moment.
overall, u might not getting great picture but if u can get the picture is better then dark image. smile.gif
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post Apr 30 2010, 10:43 AM

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sry guys, may i know wat does it means?
>>>[The D3000 does not support wireless flash control with its built-in flash; you have to use another flash as the commander.]
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post Apr 30 2010, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Cwz90 @ Apr 30 2010, 10:43 AM)
sry guys, may i know wat does it means?
>>>[The D3000 does not support wireless flash control with its built-in flash; you have to use another flash as the commander.]
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You can use a SB900 to become the commander, or a SU800 for it. But your pop up cannot do commander mode like D90 and above.
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QUOTE(Cwz90 @ Apr 30 2010, 10:43 AM)
sry guys, may i know wat does it means?
>>>[The D3000 does not support wireless flash control with its built-in flash; you have to use another flash as the commander.]
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D3000 and D5000 does not hav the build in flash commander function, means ur build in flash cannot Trigger other flash wireless which is not mounted on the hot shoe(mounted on the flash stand away from camera body)! However if U wan to do this, u can use SB800 or SB900 which has the commander function(mount them on your camera body and trigger other flash wireless), or change ur camera body =)
Hope I made this right.... blush.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 30 2010, 10:47 AM)
You can use a SB900 to become the commander, or a SU800 for it. But your pop up cannot do commander mode like D90 and above.
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errr... sry for noob question here, wat is commander mode?


Added on April 30, 2010, 11:03 am
QUOTE(Kent3888 @ Apr 30 2010, 10:59 AM)
D3000 and D5000 does not hav the build in flash commander function, means ur build in flash cannot Trigger other flash wireless which is not mounted on the hot shoe(mounted on the flash stand away from camera body)! However if U wan to do this, u can use SB800 or SB900 which has the commander function(mount them on your camera body and trigger other flash wireless), or change ur camera body =)
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which means that other flash from camera will not function when shoot using multiple flash?
is Nissin Di866 support?

This post has been edited by Cwz90: Apr 30 2010, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(Cwz90 @ Apr 30 2010, 11:00 AM)
errr... sry for noob question here, wat is commander mode?


Added on April 30, 2010, 11:03 am

which means that other flash from camera will not function when shoot using multiple flash?
is Nissin Di866 support?
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Info courtesy of General_Nic

Di622 with latest firmware can be radio triggered, using radio waves from body built-in commander(D90 n above), or SB900 or SU800. Di866 should b able to do both since the younger brother Di622 can do it!!

specs list:
Di622 - optical n radio trigger
SB600 - radio trigger only
SB900 - optical n radio trigger

(optical trigger means triggered by pop up flash, when the pop up flash fires, the other flash <ie. Di622 and SB900> sensor detects it and instantly fires together as well) this happens instantly. So u will juz see both flash firing together brows.gif
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D90's built in commander uses optical to trigger flash too. The radio wave is only for TTL data.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 30 2010, 11:20 AM)
D90's built in commander uses optical to trigger flash too. The radio wave is only for TTL data.
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Oh is it....?? hahaa... pai seh... I don hav D90, I tot can trigger the flash wireless without the body's flash even firing? I mean not using optical la....
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QUOTE(Kent3888 @ Apr 30 2010, 11:51 AM)
Oh is it....?? hahaa... pai seh... I don hav D90, I tot can trigger the flash wireless without the body's flash even firing? I mean not using optical la....
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No, the commander mode uses the pop up flash as a trigger. If you don't want use optical as the trigger, you will need the SU-800 commander.
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QUOTE(Kent3888 @ Apr 30 2010, 11:20 AM)
Info courtesy of General_Nic

Di622 with latest firmware can be radio triggered, using radio waves from body built-in commander(D90 n above), or SB900 or SU800. Di866 should b able to do both since the younger brother Di622 can do it!!

specs list:
Di622 - optical n radio trigger
SB600 - radio trigger only
SB900 - optical n radio trigger

(optical trigger means triggered by pop up flash, when the pop up flash fires, the other flash <ie. Di622 and SB900> sensor detects it and instantly fires together as well) this happens instantly. So u will juz see both flash firing together brows.gif
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thanks notworthy.gif
so any recommend flash for D3000?
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QUOTE(Kent3888 @ Apr 30 2010, 11:20 AM)
Info courtesy of General_Nic
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thx, Kent biggrin.gif

QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 30 2010, 11:20 AM)
D90's built in commander uses optical to trigger flash too. The radio wave is only for TTL data.
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IINM, u can trigger flash even if u completely cover the flash, thats wat i heard, so that prove it isnt optical trigger
D90's built-in commander shud be same concept as D3's, as D3 dun have built-in flash
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Apr 30 2010, 11:55 AM)
thx, Kent  biggrin.gif
IINM, u can trigger flash even if u completely cover the flash, thats wat i heard, so that prove it isnt optical trigger
D90's built-in commander shud be same concept as D3's, as D3 dun have built-in flash
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D3 doesn't have CLS if not mistaken. You need the SU-800 for CLS.

I've times where I had to position my flash closer because my pop up cannot trigger it.
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QUOTE(Cwz90 @ Apr 30 2010, 11:54 AM)
thanks notworthy.gif
so any recommend flash for D3000?
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there r many good flash out there, it all depends on your budget
most common r:
Nikon SB600 - rm800
Nikon SB900 - rm1600
Nikon SB800 - rm1100(2nd hand)
Nissin Di622 - rm450
Nissin Di866 - rm900


Added on April 30, 2010, 12:02 pm
QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 30 2010, 11:57 AM)
D3 doesn't have CLS if not mistaken. You need the SU-800 for CLS.

I've times where I had to position my flash closer because my pop up cannot trigger it.
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D3 shud have, cos CLS is a special feature of Nikon
Canon similar feature only their top of the line 1D/1Ds have it, now 7D has it
its jz not logic for flagship model to not have
jz my theory, sory if im mistaken tongue.gif

about pop up flash trigger, im not sure
jz heard frm other ppl say in order to eliminate the pop up flash harsh light during close up shot
they block it with a card

This post has been edited by General_Nic: Apr 30 2010, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Apr 30 2010, 11:57 AM)
there r many good flash out there, it all depends on your budget
most common r:
Nikon SB600 - rm800
Nikon SB900 - rm1600
Nikon SB800 - rm1100(2nd hand)
Nissin Di622 - rm450
Nissin Di866 - rm900


Added on April 30, 2010, 12:02 pm

D3 shud have, cos CLS is a special feature of Nikon
Canon similar feature only their top of the line 1D/1Ds have it, now 7D has it
its jz not logic for flagship model to not have
jz my theory, sory if im mistaken  tongue.gif

about pop up flash trigger, im not sure
jz heard frm other ppl say in order to eliminate the pop up flash harsh light during close up shot
they block it with a card
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is Nissin Di866 suit for D3000?
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post Apr 30 2010, 12:22 PM

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^u can use all the flash mention above...but performance wise..there is different...
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Apr 30 2010, 11:57 AM)
there r many good flash out there, it all depends on your budget
most common r:
Nikon SB600 - rm800
Nikon SB900 - rm1600
Nikon SB800 - rm1100(2nd hand)
Nissin Di622 - rm450
Nissin Di866 - rm900


Added on April 30, 2010, 12:02 pm

D3 shud have, cos CLS is a special feature of Nikon
Canon similar feature only their top of the line 1D/1Ds have it, now 7D has it
its jz not logic for flagship model to not have
jz my theory, sory if im mistaken  tongue.gif

about pop up flash trigger, im not sure
jz heard frm other ppl say in order to eliminate the pop up flash harsh light during close up shot
they block it with a card
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For D5k. I hav tried to use a cardboard to block the flash, in the end the Nissin cant detect my flash, so it will juz keep quite there.... sweat.gif Using a normal white paper,thin enuf for the light penetrate, den it will fire........ Sad.... so I'm going to get a phottix flash triggering set.
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Apr 30 2010, 11:57 AM)
there r many good flash out there, it all depends on your budget
most common r:
Nikon SB600 - rm800
Nikon SB900 - rm1600
Nikon SB800 - rm1100(2nd hand)
Nissin Di622 - rm450
Nissin Di866 - rm900


Added on April 30, 2010, 12:02 pm

D3 shud have, cos CLS is a special feature of Nikon
Canon similar feature only their top of the line 1D/1Ds have it, now 7D has it
its jz not logic for flagship model to not have
jz my theory, sory if im mistaken  tongue.gif

about pop up flash trigger, im not sure
jz heard frm other ppl say in order to eliminate the pop up flash harsh light during close up shot
they block it with a card
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just now i test it..if turn off the pop up flash..cant remote it..even i just turn the pop up flash abit lower,the pop up flash dint even fire,so cant remote sb900..
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QUOTE(Kent3888 @ Apr 30 2010, 12:25 PM)
For D5k. I hav tried to use a cardboard to block the flash, in the end the Nissin cant detect my flash, so it will juz keep quite there.... sweat.gif  Using a normal white paper,thin enuf for the light penetrate, den it will fire........ Sad.... so I'm going to get a phottix flash triggering set.
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Myself using D5k and Yongnuo Flash.. I try trigger it by blocking cardboard however it work but u need measure the range between d5k and flash and the size of cardboard(=.= dun put whole big cupboard to infornt).. Try adjust your build in flash to lowest and use a cupboard to block it.. It work every time.. I use for create smoke picture and light box..
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QUOTE(noobie1 @ Apr 30 2010, 12:31 PM)
just now i test it..if turn off the pop up flash..cant remote it..even i just turn the pop up flash abit lower,the pop up flash dint even fire,so cant remote sb900..
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So it means even with D90 body, you cant trigger the flash without your body's flash firing?? Wuuhuu.... den I less regret on 1 thing buying my D5000 early right b4 D90 price drop. I tot D90 can fire with just 1 flash at the back of the subject creating a diff approach, which makes me wanna buy a wireless flash triggering kit
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not sure about that..i just new to flash...still got many thing nid to learn...

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