i oder my u20 ady i think cannot cancer ....V20 last time i have ask the shop he tell me V20 no have in market ...

This post has been edited by ask8900: May 29 2010, 11:19 PM

where is tbm

Good price.

Don't believe the contrast numbers....

anfieldude

can you explain why this G13 neoPDP panel is hotter than its hdready panel

i noticed too when the screen is blank it is greyish in color rather than black , however when BR movie is playing,it is not noticeable.

side by side comparison , the black level of the V20 is noticeably better than the X series although it did not overwhelm the X and i suspect, it could be the rather brightly lit environment but overall it is without doubt a much better and classier model as color reproduction is simply awesome

it still loses to the Z series but surely not that far off

yes the contrast is a standout and it even beat last year V10 and Z series which is at 2,000,000 to 1 and its pretty obvious too

the senior salesman told me , the quantites imported are rather limited too. for me , as far as design is concern for this model ,panny have departed from its traditional boring looks. it appear classy with good quality built and looks prettier than last year V series

i forgot to check if this model is fully made in Japan and if it is , what a bargain for that price and even if it is not , it is still worth buying

This post has been edited by sunnyK: May 30 2010, 12:11 AM

The Full HD sets have more pixels so they will emit more heat as it is driven harder. The panel power consumption is less though comparing a NeoPDP vs a normal PDP.

The screen being grey (or purple or any other colour) when not driven is pretty normal for the newer Panny (and the older Pioneer sets). Once it receives a signal then it shd darken considerably.

U sure its not slightly purple when turned off? I believe the VT had ARCs that were purplish....

hey guys , samsung PS50C6500 series ,PS50C550 or the panasonic TH-P50u20k , i kinda like this few models , but im in a dillema . Im used to samsung products , but panasonic seems very attractive as well . today i went to the show room , but can't really decide which to get between this 2 , since both are around my budget ,

Can you guys give me some advise ? would glady appreciate comments and criticism on this models .

The back of the 42V20 has "Made in Singapore" label.

saw this huge 103" panny model at KLCC... RM220K hahaha... for taikors only!


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anfieldude

the brightly lit area may make purplish looks like greyish

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Added on May 30, 2010, 12:42 amat bangsar vilage shopping centre , floorshow at ground floor

This post has been edited by sunnyK: May 30 2010, 12:42 AM

in Kl have alot shop .. tan boon ming .... my kl home just buy 60inc lcd shap with him ...

This post has been edited by ask8900: May 30 2010, 01:03 AM

good price really? i was hoping for like under 6k
its a 2k jump from the U50

now i wonder how much is the Z1. I remember seeing some crazy price like 20k above but wonder what is it now. if drop to 6k i might consider that instead just for the bigger size

I am from Sarawak. Any dealer willing to offer me a good deal for 50" V20 ? Thanks.

This is one of the reasons why the manufacturers are sacrificing image quality improvements for other fancy stuff. To improve the image quality means higher quality components, R&D and higher QC checks. The way the manufacturers now deal with this is by giving people other "features". Media players, DLNA capability, 3D, thinness all of which do not meet the original intention of a display.

People want cheaper displays every year, yet a lot of people do not want the quality to be effected. Trust me they go hand in hand.

The Pioneer sets have been always regarded as excellent reference sets, their main focus was on pushing the envelope of image quality and the best picture reproduction. Their dithering and half toning algorithms and their pixel driving luminance paired with their higher quality anti reflection coatings cost money to implement. Most people shunned the displays as way too expensive. Well it comes at a cost, and as u can see other companies who want to stay alive today, do not do it as it costs more money. People want cheap and let's face it most people will sacrifice. A lot of people were under the impression that Pioneer outpriced themselves out of the market, yet 2 years later there is no set that can seriously dethrone them. A lot of people thought that if economics of scale takes over, sets would be cheap and high quality, well as the companies found out, it cannot be done as easily

It is my hope that next year, Panasonic takes a serious look at the VT and improves it with what it knows needs to be done to take it up a few notches. Also the push by many governments to reduce power consumption is also taking its toll, the plasmas needs highly efficient and powerful power supplies to drive the panels well. I hope their top end set, is tailored to putting out the best image possible.

For me the V series if the black levels are that good and the other good stuff is there, 6K+ is a very good price for a full HD 50" set.

Anfield,

ok I'm sold! I want to buy one from you!
seriously if only those salesmen is half as good as you, I would be in trouble (in a good way)

I can fully understand what you are saying. You know us consumers we always want good and cheap haha...but you are right, in the end, quality will go down. In this case I'm merely looking for the best deal. If I know that this is a reasonable price to pay, I will. I don't want to find out later that everyone else bought theirs for 1k less and with gifts thrown in that's all. I'm also wondering if this is the "intro price" or can I get this or cheaper down the road. I'm not in a hurry but if the price is good I will buy

This post has been edited by idoblu: May 30 2010, 09:10 AM

very very precise and educational indeed

there should be no compromise from TV manufacturers on image quality but unfortunately the koreans are putting pressures on the japs by adding in many new technology gadgets which will come at a higher cost too and to remain competitive , image quality will have to be sacrificed . for AV enthusiasts and plasma lovers ,panasonic is the last hope for keeping that traditions alive by retaining and emphasizing the importance of image quality over whatever new technology gadget inclusions .

the promo price of RM 6,799 is a very very reasonable price even if made in singapore . bear in mind it throw in a bd-45 and five year warranty . the extended warranty period by panny is a reflection of its confidence for the V20 models.

panny are famous for producing good lasting products . i remember their earlier models use to have 5 year warranty but the more recent models are introduced at 3 and now two years standard warranty. the pressures from the koreans are telling and i wonder how much longer could the japanese made stand in its way but i say the consumers are to be blame too as we want constant reduction of prices but it come at a price too at lower quality built

This post has been edited by sunnyK: May 30 2010, 09:59 AM

TV only 6k
TV cabinet 2.5k

This post has been edited by idoblu: May 30 2010, 10:07 AM

All things said, we Asians are still being screwed when compared to the Americans and Europians, dollar for dollar. The quality and features they are getting are still much better for the same dollar.

The sad part is that we are still lapping it all up despite being screwed.

Speaking of cabinet, i gave up of finding the good one. I need the one with sturdy built and good ventilation for the equipment but wife insist on hiding all the cables, it's really hard to find a good one.

PoorMan,

The Panny sets (V, VT) are similarly priced in UK and Malaysia (with conversion). Compared to US, yes we are more expensive.

Much less models to choose from and minus THX mode, that is. Even the cheaper G20 series already has THX mode in Europe and has similar features as the V series here. Somehow, I have a sneaking suspicion that our V series could be Europe's G series due to similarities to the menus/features.

See fullpanelshd site for the review of G20 and VT20. Perhaps you can verify that when you get your hands on a V20 series here.

Despite ranting, I'm still quite excited and looking forward to own a V20 here. Sad