background light trick you own eyes only, not real improvement

General idea, but its too bright on the you tube video.

i don't think it's too bright. i think the ambient is too dark.

I'm confused with what you mean.

In the you tube video, there is too much light output from the bias lighting. The bias lighting shd not exceed a 20-30% grey window in intensity.

Or in plain, words,it shd be a very dim just illuminating outsides of the tv frame when viewed from in front.

If it is too bright, ur eyes would open up and if the gamma is set wrongly, u would lose shadow details.

i understand what you mean. the glowing white is too bright, like a bright aura behind the display instead of creating the greyish intensity wall.

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Jun 26 2010, 06:43 PM

Guys, would it be better if the bias lighting is a warm white (yellowish) instead of cool white (6500K daylight)? I see a lot of recommendation that the bias lighting should be the 6500K variety.

Bias light should be ideally 6500K in colour temperature. To be exact it also shd be close to D65 white. Also the wall behind ur display shd be neutral shades of white/grey.

Google Ideal Lume or CinemaQuest. They have an excellent solution. I can confirm that their lights meet the required standards. There are some relevant articles there.

If you really want to see this floating black on P42V20... grab the Dark Knight bluray.. turn off all the lights..start the movie, watch carefully after DC Comics logo before the bat coming out of the smoke.. the exact timecode is about 00:00:43 - 00:00:44.. careful you might not like what you see..

what should i see?

Overall I am pleased with my V20.......watching normal astro is ok but when watching super sport world cup soccer below par..........


My setting is:

Viewing Mode: Normal

Contrast: 60
Calour: 50
Sharpness: 50
Brightness: 50
Vivid Calour: On
Eco : Off


Any suggestion to improve PQ watching astro ??


And do I need to warm up my tv till 100 hours ? what is the setting ?? Thanks.

Your contrast could be a bit high if your TV not used for more than 200 hrs.

My settings:

Cinema mode (don't use Dynamic (show-room mode))
Contrast 44
Colour 40
Sharpness 0
Brightness 0 (default middle)
Vivid colour off
Eco off

Every TV will be slightly different but for me, the settings above give a more natural PQ. Pls don't compare to LCD/LED brightness and dynamic colour.

As for your Astro, I assume it is a non-B.yond type. You may consider switching cable from composite to S-video connection. Otherwise, convert to B.yond and use HDMI, you will see a significant improvement even for non-HD channels.

This post has been edited by PoorMan: Jun 27 2010, 01:21 PM

You should see the black will become greryish for a second and turn back black... it is very obvious if you looked at the black bar below...

This post has been edited by ameenskywalker: Jun 27 2010, 01:42 PM

How do you know if that wasn't the intended effect in the original source? Like a moment of lightning flash?

Sorry for the question as I have not seen "The Dark Knight" in another HDTV for comparison.

Oh ??

it zit will bring some negative effect if my tv not reach 200 hours by setting contrast at 60 ?? And did u let u tv automatically upgrade tv software it self ?

Anyway, really thanks for u helpul hand Even call my S.A and Panasonic also can't answer me......

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Added on June 27, 2010, 2:15 pmAnd also forgot to ask u, how about P-NR setting ? I set as off mode, it zit ok ?

This post has been edited by Cliff_Tan73: Jun 27 2010, 02:15 PM

Because i do not think that visual effect would apply to the black bar as well. All the effects do not usually go out of the 'Safe Area'. This greyish is repeatable and doesn't show on my old sony lcd (s series).. I've read somewhere in forum (av forum or avs) that you see it on other movies, should make a list of these movies and its timecode.

Then again.. if you could not see it and don't go look for it... it would not be a problem and should be happy with these set. It's just for the curious mind who want to see what they mean by floating black...

This post has been edited by ameenskywalker: Jun 27 2010, 02:31 PM

Whether it will deteriorate the TV is subject to debate, of course. But the general idea is not to stress the TV during initial usage until the phosphors are aged gradually and uniformly across the entire panel. Hence, the idea of "burning in" the TV first and by rotating played contents. If you buy in the idea of "burning in" a new car i.e. not going above 80km/h for the first 1,000km, then you should have no problem with this "best practice" for your TV. Anyhow, what harm can it bring to be more cautious, right?

As for the TV software upgrade, didn't go through it as I don't use Viera Cast at all. From what I know, the only new feature is Skype and even then, without the optional camera, it doesn't even work. I may eventually get around to it.

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Added on June 27, 2010, 2:38 pmP-NR (Picture - Noise Reduction) setting is to reduce picture noise for the standard definition content. As you are watching standard Astro, you may want to set this to "On" but not sure if it will help to improve PQ. As far as I can tell with my naked eyes, it doesn't seem to do anything.

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Added on June 27, 2010, 2:43 pmOk and much thanks for sharing. I didn't know that the floating blacks affected the black bars as well.

This post has been edited by PoorMan: Jun 27 2010, 02:43 PM

What u hv described is what the floating blacks are...

And u r right, the black bars shd always be black, if they change even for a second, it means there are floating blacks.

For some it is irritating, for other its not.

However, it shd not be there.

All these problems usually appear in some crappy China brand. Why should consumers suffer all these issues from a reputable Japanese company?

This post has been edited by michaeltan1943: Jun 27 2010, 11:39 PM

I believe the VT series is not reported to hv floating blacks. The V (or G in the EU/UK) is reported to hv floating blacks.

One word of advise to those observing floating blacks. Since u know which scene it is, try reducing the brightness notch by notch until it disappears. Then u shd not see it anymore. Of course, not too much until u crush blacks.

just curious! Is the rm5,500 is the the best price for 50" V series plasma?. Antbody knows of cheaper price in Klang Valley?. Do let me know.