and yet uninformed or innocent people fall for the "your plasma will last well over 60,000 hours" line, thinking it would last them years with the same quality at the point of purchase.

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Added on June 29, 2010, 9:06 pmwould you be as tolerant if your new handphone sound deteriorates by 400% also?

wht would you do if after few hunderd hours of usage, you can hardly hear the person on the other side?

This post has been edited by michaeltan1943: Jun 29 2010, 09:06 PM

bro, if you think panasonic are cheating on people, go lodge an official report with the responsible authorities and lodge an official complaint to panasonic malaysia.

we ARE NOT panasonic engineers, panasonic staff, panasonic directors and hell we ARE NOT panasonic shareholders.

and panasonic ARE NOT paying us a single cent of recommending them here, or to our friends or our families.

so, if you are really a gentleman and deeply care for all the buyers who has not purchase a HDTV yet, do us a favor and lodge your complain and tell us the outcome.

please pick your fight with THEM and not your fellow forummers.

grow up.

looks like you need to grow up based on your emotional response. Nobody is picking a fight with fellow forummers lah small boy.

I bought the Panny with "eyes wide open" knowing all the potential issues. So, no complaining from me. Of course, I got mine 2nd hand and cheap is an important factor too.

Your analogy of the handphone is not entirely accurate. We are not talking about a complete breakdown of the Panny in that the PQ is entirely unwatchable. If that is the case, I can claim warranty since it's an obvious defect within the 3 years. The problem is that it's not an obvious breakdown and also very subjective. Some people may notice it and some won't.

But I know what you mean. Panasonic promised "Infinite Black" as their brand and good for an enthusiast HT setup. This is not consistent with their brand.

Edited: Rest assuredly, if I cannot bear to watch the PQ because of the rising blacks, I'll be making a complaint as a customer.

This post has been edited by PoorMan: Jun 29 2010, 09:41 PM

if u know those known issues with the panny..
why still buy this set?

PoorMan,

I will most probably do the same checks for the 2010 U series as a friend has the set.

However, u will need to realise that I believe after about 2000hrs I think the black levels will be quite stable.

I can give u some black levels that I have.

Pioneer PDP-428XG
New : 0.008ft/L
600 hrs : 0.009ft/L
2000hrs : 0.009 ft/L
6500hrs : 0.01ft/L

The changes are minimal if any. There is some, but hard to distinguish.

Pioneer PDP-508XG
New : 0.007ft/L
600hrs : 0.008ft/L

Pioneer KRP-600M
New : <0.005ft/L (below my meter threshold)
700hrs : <0.005ft/L (below my meter threshold)

For a comparison, the good LCDs are somewhere in the 0.06ft/L most of the time, the not so good ones 0.1ft/L.

The 2010 is probably more gradual.

Corrected typo on LCDs.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jun 29 2010, 10:47 PM

have not bought yet.

i thought previous post u order one?
so what now?cancel the order?

[quote=PoorMan,Jun 29 2010, 09:32 PM]


But I know what you mean. Panasonic promised "Infinite Black" as their brand and good for an enthusiast HT setup. This is not consistent with their brand.

It is not just inconsistent with their good name but also not ethical advertising. The goods does not correspond to the description given.
Most people pay a premium because they want Infinite Black.

I would not be happy if I buy a BMW but when I drive it, it feels like a Datsun 120Y

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Added on June 29, 2010, 9:51 pm[quote=maskedchan,Jun 29 2010, 09:49 PM]
i thought previous post u order one?
so what now?cancel the order?

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which post? Show the post. Never did order one.

This post has been edited by michaeltan1943: Jun 29 2010, 09:51 PM

nvm..take it as my mistake..
see wrong post...

anfieldude,

Excellent data! Many thanks. And yes, kindly track the U series (and V series if you have the chance) too.

To think that the Panny plasma may degrade to LCD black levels *sigh*.

I will try.

Also just to let you know above comparing 0.01 vs 0.05 ft/L while might seem little, in a dark room it is a world of a difference. 0.01 ft/L in a dark room will seem like a glow of very dim light. 0.05ft/L in a dark room will literally light up the room and look grey.

Drop that by one order, 0.005ft/L and its really almost black with a light glow.

Really grateful for the enlightenment!

I'm glad you did the typo correction for the LCD black levels. At least, it's still much better than the LCD black levels even after the aggressive voltage increments in the Panny.

I hope that you will do another reading later to confirm that the rising black is leveled off at some point.

Sorry for not be able to give any answer because Panasonic Malaysia still have not reply me, let see how good and responsible they are in respond to my subjects. I am ex-Pioneer years ago at that time I never favor “National” one of the reason was they just ignore you.(my own opinion)

kgsiaw,

Did u try my suggestion to eliminate/reduce floating blacks?

I also curious on the result of the V series as well, since spend so much for it.....

you mean besides possible rising/floating blacks etc, they also have that kind of customer service? You mean they actually ignore you?

I have had problems with their customer service too. Mine, they don't even answer their phones!

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Added on June 30, 2010, 1:56 pmyeah Anfieldude, thanks also from me. Really appreciate your data and more so, your kindness in sharing.

This post has been edited by michaeltan1943: Jun 30 2010, 01:56 PM

US people are so just mean lah. Is the rising black or floating black problem disturb their daily life?

What about their newly purchased house got a fine crack on the wall after 2 year of living, will they sue the Developer?

What is you guys action then?

Based on the statistic, how many panny end users cannot tahan this discussed issue out of 10,000 unit tv sold?

My suggestion, rileks lah....don't be so picky.

If so, consider pioneer or LG or samsung PDP tv, less headache matters.

Considering the floating black issues, my guess is that Panasonic Malaysia will ignore your complains as they will vacuum under the carpet unless we all complain in big numbers or just boycot their plasma products. It is better if anybody have friends in the PRESS to bring forward this issues to them as this will be public knowledge and awareness then Panasonic Malaysia will definitly issue a statements, Just my thoughts...cheers

when you work hard for your money and have self integrity, you will appreciate the things you purchase. Only when you sweat, you will know the value of money.

I bet if someone molest your wife in the office, you will also say rileks lah and not sue the company.