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cwhong
post May 21 2011, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 21 2011, 11:35 AM)
In that case, would every REIT give DPU on a fix momentum basis? Meaning if REIT A gives once every 6 months, forever gives DPU once every 6 months?
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yes until they want to change the paying terms.....
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 21 2011, 11:35 AM)
In that case, would every REIT give DPU on a fix momentum basis? Meaning if REIT A gives once every 6 months, forever gives DPU once every 6 months?
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Yeah, like cwhong said, they can change their frequency of giving out DPU.

Just curious on the term "fix momentum basis"? That's a banking term? hmm.gif
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post May 21 2011, 04:24 PM

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Normaly unit price will drop after dividend paid out.
Eg. for Axreit, dividend going to pay by this 31st May .
So, is this means that, 1st Jun the unit price will start drop ?
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post May 21 2011, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 21 2011, 03:44 PM)
Yeah, like cwhong said, they can change their frequency of giving out DPU.

Just curious on the term "fix momentum basis"? That's a banking term?  hmm.gif
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Erm.. I don't know if i'm using banking term, just to use the words that I and you also understand. laugh.gif

In that case, the DPU will go according to the performance of each REIT itself right? Eg. this quarter performance not good, dividend paid will be lesser?

If it is, normally how much dividend they will decrease?

This post has been edited by debbieyss: May 21 2011, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(Evening @ May 21 2011, 04:24 PM)
Normaly unit price will drop after dividend paid out.
Eg. for Axreit, dividend going to pay by this 31st May .
So, is this means that, 1st Jun the unit price will start drop ?
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Unit price will drop on ex-date. If ex-date is 20 May 2011, then on 20 May 2011, the price will drop. However, payment date is usually later on.

Just remember that ex-date and payment date are different dates.


QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 21 2011, 05:08 PM)
Erm.. I don't know if i'm using banking term, just to use the words that I and you also understand.  laugh.gif

In that case, the DPU will go according to the performance of each REIT itself right? Eg. this quarter performance not good, dividend paid will be lesser?

If it is, normally how much dividend they will decrease?

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Owh.... that term is new to me too..... biggrin.gif

Yup, if some quarter performance not good, then the overall yield will usually be less.

Again, how much less in terms of DPU would depend on how much less profits they generate.

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post May 21 2011, 05:23 PM

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kmarc, thanks for the reply.

I'm comparing between REITs and Mutual Fund and actual property.

After super much study and considerations, the conclusion i get is - CASH is always the king, the rest comes later. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 21 2011, 05:23 PM)
kmarc, thanks for the reply.

I'm comparing between REITs and Mutual Fund and actual property.

After super much study and considerations, the conclusion i get is - CASH is always the king, the rest comes later. laugh.gif
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Cash is KING... of opportunities brows.gif
Like any investments, i think it all depends on what are U after? What's your time horizon, what's your expectations (returns pa, risks, etc.), what's your entry & exit rules to manage these expectations?
eg. Dont lar say U want to use the $ in 1 year's time AND THEN dump the lump $um into an equity mutual fund. High probability of not meeting your expectations.
eg2. Dont lar expect plonking yr $ into an FD for 5 years (yearly term) and coming out tops based on effective returns pa. UNLESS there's a (highly improbable) high deflation within those 5 years

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 21 2011, 05:08 PM)
Erm.. I don't know if i'm using banking term, just to use the words that I and you also understand.  laugh.gif

In that case, the DPU will go according to the performance of each REIT itself right? Eg. this quarter performance not good, dividend paid will be lesser?

If it is, normally how much dividend they will decrease?
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Generally income is rather fixed until lease expired.

It is just like you own a house and rent it out.
The rental collected is the Reit income.

So increase or decrease depended on the rental rate and lease contract.

Yes, distribution is depended how much the reit earn.
But generally most lease are at least 2-3 years above one, so generally you see pretty stable distribution throughout.

Some even under >5 years, 10 years, 15 years lease.
The longest one I knew so far is Qcapital's Tesco Penang, >20 years.

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 21 2011, 05:23 PM)
kmarc, thanks for the reply.

I'm comparing between REITs and Mutual Fund and actual property.

After super much study and considerations, the conclusion i get is - CASH is always the king, the rest comes later. laugh.gif
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Errrmm.... like what wongmunkeong said, CASH is king of opportunities. CASH itself is "useless" unless you make it work for you. Keeping all your cash under the bed or in FD is not a good idea as your money won't grow due to higher inflation rate!!! Of course, you need some money in FD for emergency purposes.

To me, REITs, mutual fund and property all has it's pros and cons in terms of investment. There's no right or wrong, just depend on what you are comfortable with and what your risk appetite is.

QUOTE(cherroy @ May 21 2011, 05:43 PM)
Generally income is rather fixed until lease expired.

It is just like you own a house and rent it out.
The rental collected is the Reit income.

So increase or decrease depended on the rental rate and lease contract.

Yes, distribution is depended how much the reit earn.
But generally most lease are at least 2-3 years above one, so generally you see pretty stable distribution throughout.

Some even under >5 years, 10 years, 15 years lease.
The longest one I knew so far is Qcapital's Tesco Penang, >20 years.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 19 2011, 12:20 PM)
To be clearer, i'll use the example below. Your data needs to be more specific in terms of Dividend amount, date bought (2008 isn't a date, it's a year), date sold  tongue.gif

Eg.
Bought: 1/1/2008
Bought at $1
Units: 3,000

Dividends: $0.10 single tier

Sold: 30/06/2009
Sold at  $1.20
Units: 3,000

a. Cost of Purchase = ($1 * 3,000) +brokerage +stamp duty
I'll assume here that Cost of Purchase = $3,043

b. BEP = Cost of purchase - Net Dividend received, say $3,043 - $300 = $2,743

c. Net Profit = Sales - (brokerage + stamp duty) - BEP,
say $3,600 -$21 -$2,743 = $836
Thus the pa% returns calculation based on the above (in Excel formula) would be:
((BEP +Net Profit) / BEP)  ^(1 / (Date Sold -Date Purchased) /364.25)  -1

where: (BEP +Net Profit) / BEP = simple Profit % (er.. minus 1 please from here)
where: (Date Sold -Date Purchased) = days held. Dividing this by 364.25 days will get U years
where: ^(1 / blah blah). The basic formula is derived from S = P * (1+%)^n

Anyone  rclxub.gif yet? heheh - it looks simple in Excel. Any maths genius can check the above? I just translated it from my Excel spreadsheet from interpretation of the cells' data - did my spreadsheet (finalized) several years ago  wub.gif
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wong,
thanks for your effort. Appreciate it thumbup.gif
I tried but failed spectacularly doh.gif laugh.gif
Not up to your standard yet.
Nonetheless, i'll keep your formula for future reference.


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QUOTE(HJebat @ May 22 2011, 03:24 PM)
wong,
thanks for your effort. Appreciate it thumbup.gif
I tried but failed spectacularly doh.gif  laugh.gif
Not up to your standard yet.
Nonetheless, i'll keep your formula for future reference.
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HJebat, there's no bad students, just baka teachers tongue.gif. Concepts i can simplify, formulas.. that's my kryptonite laugh.gif BTW, i was a B or C only student during skooldaze, thus perhaps i can't simplify mathematical equations as well as concepts sweat.gif

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Hi guys - just joined this forum and like your discussions here. I'm impressed!

What have you heard about the new AXIS REIT coming up? I am hearing good things...
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post May 26 2011, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(cwhong @ May 26 2011, 01:09 PM)
...Weighted dividend yields continued to compress in the second half of 2010, thanks to the strong stock price rally. The weighted dividend yield for Asian REITs contracted further to 5.36 per cent as of the end of 2010, from 6.86 per cent recorded in mid-2010 and 9.62 per cent as of the end of 2008. As investors required a much higher dividend yield during the downturn, REITs were reluctant to add new assets to their portfolio as any new acquisitions would have had a diluting effect on dividend yield. “As dividend yield has been compressed to the level close to yields for physical assets, REITs are expected to turn more active in sourcing new investment objects,” said Danny Mohr, Executive Director, International Valuation, Asia for CB Richard Ellis.
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And thus Value is found elsewhere, $ flows to elsewhere, REITs $ goes lower, DY% increase and Value Folks waiting for REITs buffet feast! brows.gif
Ok ok - it works for other Asset Types too
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post May 31 2011, 07:32 PM

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On board, my first virgin buy of REIT, SUNREIT @ 1.07 @ Wish me luck fellow REITERS. Reason I choose SUNREIT, because I love Sunway Pyramid! So they will indirectly get my support too rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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May I know what is the meaning of P/E ratio ??


Added on June 1, 2011, 2:11 pmDid any Axreit holder already received ur's 1st Quarter e-dividend by today ?

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QUOTE(Evening @ Jun 1 2011, 11:37 AM)
May I know what is the meaning of P/E ratio ??


Added on June 1, 2011, 2:11 pmDid any Axreit holder already received ur's 1st Quarter e-dividend by today ?
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Yes, received it already through e-dividend.
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Wonder why i still haven't received it yet.
Axreit P/E ratio=8.75, what is the P/E ratio ?
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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Jun 1 2011, 04:50 PM)
Final 10 minutes, BIMB to close above 1.85, my prediction..hehe
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