REIT V2, Real Estate Investment Trust
REIT V2, Real Estate Investment Trust
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Mar 23 2010, 04:15 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
Bought some more Stareits today!!!
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Apr 12 2010, 12:00 AM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
I need some clarification on income tax assessment. Already went to LHDN last week to ask about REITs "dividend" and the lady said that I don't have to declare the dividend from REITs. Is that true?
If that is so, why do I need to keep the "Tax vouchers"? This post has been edited by kmarc: Apr 12 2010, 12:00 AM |
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Apr 12 2010, 06:39 AM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(simplesmile @ Apr 12 2010, 12:07 AM) It's true. Owh, I see what you mean. Thanx for the clarification. The tax voucher is for your record, and to substantiate your income in case of a tax audit. For example, I remember Neo buys alot of REITs. He earns so much reit-dividend income. He doesn't need declare this. Then if he buys property with cash, IRB come knock on his door, ask him, "You declare only so little income, how come you can buy property with cash? You under declare your income is it?". Then Neo shows the IRB officer all his reit-dividend voucher. "Already 10% witholding tax la. See my reit-dividend RM200k. This is where the money comes from to buy the property with cash". IRB officer's eyes almost pop out, says "Ok. case closed." |
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May 20 2010, 11:13 AM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
Cherroy, you always said that many people treat REITs like they were stocks, which is not correct.
Just wondering how we should actually treat REITs then? |
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May 20 2010, 01:59 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(Jordy @ May 20 2010, 12:32 PM) kmarc, Thx for the reply. I understand that part now. Sorry to interrupt. The business for REITs are in leasing out properties, and that is its ONLY business. Since the income for REITs is more or less stable, why would you want to trade it (buy and sell like ordinary stocks)? It is only when the income is not to your expectation that you should sell the counter and reinvest your money somewhere else. The longer you accumulate the distributions, the more you will gain. This is what we call profiting by holding. By the way, you will not forget your REITs counter because you will be receiving the cheques every quarter However, in the context of increasing stock price, is there a level where you would want to sell your REITs? I think this was discussed before but I can't remember the reply. Take for example HEKTAR. My ABP is around RM1.00 and the stock price is now RM1.20. That means a capital appreciation of 20%. So, if I were to hold it forever, that capital appreciation would mean nothing, provided I don't buy any more Hektar. If I sell Hektar, I will get the capital appreciation profit and the capital back to reinvest in other REITs that gives a higher dividend rate compared to HEKTAR. I don't really know how to express this but I hope you get my meaning. |
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May 20 2010, 02:48 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
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May 20 2010, 02:52 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2010, 02:49 PM) You should look at its yield at 1.20. Thx. That's the answer I was looking for. If the yield at 1.20 is not attractive for you, then time to let go, or there is little improvement in DPU, (eventually increase in yield). or the yield is expected to go lower or there is alternative investment that offer similar yield while less risky (like FD) or there is alternative reit which is better in term of their properties portfolio and better yield. Just raise a few point to consider, there may other many reason, and personal reason/preference as well. Another question, my ABP was RM1.00. So, in terms of yield, I should be calculating based on RM1.00 and not RM1.20 right (or even if the share price shoot up to RM1.50)? |
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May 20 2010, 02:59 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2010, 02:55 PM) Your consideration of yield should be at 1.20 or 1.50, when you decide/consider to sell time. Ok, thx for clearing that up. I still look see look see REITs prices every SINGLE day! Because once you sell, you can get 1.20 or 1.50, not already 1.00 aka the worth is 1.20. |
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May 20 2010, 03:19 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
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May 20 2010, 03:35 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2010, 03:31 PM) Stareit initially want to add more, after adding last month or so. Ok, thx for the info. Will aim for more REITs in the future..... But after read the whole proposal of the disposal of Lot 10 and Starhill then turn into hospitality reit, apparently, the realised capital gain and the proceed money raised will all being used to fund the new acquisition, so no extra DPU from the capital gain realised. While there will be period lose of income due to disposal as new properties is scheduled to be injected within 6 months after the proposal being carried out, so there will be 1 to 2 Q with low DPU. As both proposed disposal properties made up around 70%+ of current income. |
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Jul 23 2010, 02:39 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
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Jul 23 2010, 04:39 PM
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Elite
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Talking about Holland makes me feel like going for a tour in Holland!!!
Hands so itchy to buy some more Qcap...... Edit : Wow! Somebody sold 1000 lots of Qcap at RM1.02!!!! Should have queued at RM1.02...... This post has been edited by kmarc: Jul 23 2010, 04:44 PM |
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Jul 23 2010, 05:59 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
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Jul 30 2010, 09:45 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 30 2010, 09:29 PM) whizzer, I'm hoping for it to go up to RM1.07-RM1.08 range so that I can sell some off and pick it up again around it's normal range of RM1.01-1.02.....Let me reiterate, the increase of 3 cents in QCAPITA's price yesterday was baseless, as it is expensive in every way we look at it. Also, traders take advantage of yesterday to lock in their profits. So I'm looking forward for QCAPITA to drop a little further, perhaps another 2 cents. Notice big lots whacking the price down for the past week but looks like they've disappeared since yesterday........ This post has been edited by kmarc: Jul 30 2010, 09:45 PM |
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Jul 30 2010, 10:32 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
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Nov 28 2010, 07:21 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(Veda @ Nov 28 2010, 06:10 PM) I thought REIT dividend is already taxed before it reaches the shareholder and no need to declare anything? Yup. Taxed at company level (as long as company distribute 90% or more of their profits). No need to declare anything but you need to keep the dividend slip just in case LHDN audits your tax filing.Anyway one I thing I'm uncomfortable about Arreit is that Selangor state agency PKNS is its second largest shareholder and PKNS has been injecting some of its assets into the reit. QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 28 2010, 07:17 PM) In REITs, the correct term is "Distribution Per Unit" and not "Dividend" |
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Nov 28 2010, 09:34 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 28 2010, 07:23 PM) Dunno. Better ask Cherroy. As far as I know, REIT price not necessarily will correspond to NAV. REIT price, like stock price, depends on what investor thinks they are worth.......QUOTE(LYR @ Nov 28 2010, 09:13 PM) Errrm.... didn't follow ARREIT but REITs usually distribute 90% or more of their profits, hence only 10% withholding tax...... |
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Dec 23 2010, 01:12 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
Anybody know when Qcap is announcing their divvy?
QUOTE(silentsurfer @ Dec 23 2010, 01:01 PM) hi everybody, new in reits, started buying some for higher yield compared to FDs.......however, i can't help but notice that most of them at all time high, still there are hardly any sellers. I'm no expert in REITs but I won't sell my REITs now as I'm keeping it for dividend....... no one worried about the pending rise in interest rates by Bank Negara? or the possible property bubble? appreciate the comments bought some arreit and atrium for 4 quarterly dividends |
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Jan 21 2011, 12:28 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
Weird that stareit didn't rally after dividend announcement. Did I miss something?
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Jan 21 2011, 05:49 PM
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Elite
14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak |
QUOTE(smartly @ Jan 21 2011, 02:28 PM) current dpu is 3.29sen, X2 is about 6.58sen. Yeah, still good returns and also hope for some capital appreciation.current price 88sen, 6.58/0.88 = 7.48%, maybe consider fully valued at current %. to me, still relatively high return in term of %. QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 21 2011, 03:41 PM) 3.x cents is not its actual earning. Thx for the explanation cherroy. Its EPS only 1.x cents for the Q ended 31/12 And with new properties injection is scheduled only completed around 2Q 2011, the period from 1Q to 2Q of 2011, its EPS won't be too much, around 2.x cents is expected only, as newly injected properties only will contribute after the paper work of the injection/acquisition completed. With 6.89 cents full year EPS is projected after acquisition, at 0.88, seem an ok yield with around 8%. 0.88-0.03 (instant div getting) = 0.85 6.89/0.85 = 8.1% gross, net will be around 7.3%. So if one is ok with long term FD at 7.3%, this is an ok return. PS: I might be bias, as I bought again recently. Wah! You bought some recently? Ok, I will follow your behind next week (again)! |
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