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post Mar 23 2010, 04:15 PM

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Bought some more Stareits today!!! rclxms.gif Follow Cherroy...... whistling.gif
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post Apr 12 2010, 12:00 AM

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I need some clarification on income tax assessment. Already went to LHDN last week to ask about REITs "dividend" and the lady said that I don't have to declare the dividend from REITs. Is that true?

If that is so, why do I need to keep the "Tax vouchers"? hmm.gif

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post Apr 12 2010, 06:39 AM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Apr 12 2010, 12:07 AM)
It's true.
The tax voucher is for your record, and to substantiate your income in case of a tax audit.
For example, I remember Neo buys alot of REITs. He earns so much reit-dividend income. He doesn't need declare this. Then if he buys property with cash, IRB come knock on his door, ask him, "You declare only so little income, how come you can buy property with cash? You under declare your income is it?". Then Neo shows the IRB officer all his reit-dividend voucher. "Already 10% witholding tax la. See my reit-dividend RM200k. This is where the money comes from to buy the property with cash". IRB officer's eyes almost pop out, says "Ok. case closed."
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post May 20 2010, 11:13 AM

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Cherroy, you always said that many people treat REITs like they were stocks, which is not correct.

Just wondering how we should actually treat REITs then? hmm.gif Fire and forget? smile.gif
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post May 20 2010, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 20 2010, 12:32 PM)
kmarc,

Sorry to interrupt. The business for REITs are in leasing out properties, and that is its ONLY business. Since the income for REITs is more or less stable, why would you want to trade it (buy and sell like ordinary stocks)? It is only when the income is not to your expectation that you should sell the counter and reinvest your money somewhere else. The longer you accumulate the distributions, the more you will gain. This is what we call profiting by holding.

By the way, you will not forget your REITs counter because you will be receiving the cheques every quarter tongue.gif
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Thx for the reply. I understand that part now. smile.gif

However, in the context of increasing stock price, is there a level where you would want to sell your REITs? I think this was discussed before but I can't remember the reply. Take for example HEKTAR. My ABP is around RM1.00 and the stock price is now RM1.20. That means a capital appreciation of 20%. So, if I were to hold it forever, that capital appreciation would mean nothing, provided I don't buy any more Hektar. If I sell Hektar, I will get the capital appreciation profit and the capital back to reinvest in other REITs that gives a higher dividend rate compared to HEKTAR. I don't really know how to express this but I hope you get my meaning.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2010, 02:46 PM)
Treat it as fixed income instrument.

It is more like bond than equities.
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I see. As with the above question, what if there is capital appreciation? Any level to sell off? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2010, 02:49 PM)
You should look at its yield at 1.20.

If the yield at 1.20 is not attractive for you, then time to let go,
or there is little improvement in DPU, (eventually increase in yield).
or the yield is expected to go lower
or there is alternative investment that offer similar yield while less risky (like FD)
or there is alternative reit which is better in term of their properties portfolio and better yield.

Just raise a few point to consider, there may other many reason, and personal reason/preference as well.
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Thx. That's the answer I was looking for. thumbup.gif

Another question, my ABP was RM1.00. So, in terms of yield, I should be calculating based on RM1.00 and not RM1.20 right (or even if the share price shoot up to RM1.50)? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2010, 02:55 PM)
Your consideration of yield should be at 1.20 or 1.50, when you decide/consider to sell time.
Because once you sell, you can get 1.20 or 1.50, not already 1.00 aka the worth is 1.20.
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Ok, thx for clearing that up. I still look see look see REITs prices every SINGLE day! sweat.gif
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post May 20 2010, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2010, 03:04 PM)
Me also looking at Qcapital, see it will below 1.00 or not.
Me also look see look.  biggrin.gif
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Cool! I thought I was the weird one..... biggrin.gif

Besides Qcap, any other REITs counter you're aiming for at the moment?
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post May 20 2010, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 20 2010, 03:31 PM)
Stareit initially want to add more, after adding last month or so.

But after read the whole proposal of the disposal of Lot 10 and Starhill then turn into hospitality reit, apparently, the realised capital gain and the proceed money raised will all being used to fund the new acquisition, so no extra DPU from the capital gain realised. While there will be period lose of income due to disposal as new properties is scheduled to be injected within 6 months after the proposal being carried out, so there will be 1 to 2 Q with low DPU. As both proposed disposal properties made up around 70%+ of current income.
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Ok, thx for the info. Will aim for more REITs in the future..... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(protonw @ Jul 23 2010, 02:28 PM)

So, my target now are Qcap, CMMT and Sunreit.  Follow taikor sure no wrong one.  laugh.gif

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I always curi curi buy from behind when taikor mention he is going to buy or has bought his favorite REITs. biggrin.gif

I think Qcap can get RM1.02 today or next week..... drool.gif
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Talking about Holland makes me feel like going for a tour in Holland!!! biggrin.gif

Hands so itchy to buy some more Qcap...... drool.gif

Edit : Wow! Somebody sold 1000 lots of Qcap at RM1.02!!!! Should have queued at RM1.02......

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Jul 23 2010, 05:31 PM)
Next week can Q some more. I think their results only out at month end.
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Yeah, gonna grab some before its quarterly results.

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 30 2010, 09:29 PM)
whizzer,

Let me reiterate, the increase of 3 cents in QCAPITA's price yesterday was baseless, as it is expensive in every way we look at it. Also, traders take advantage of yesterday to lock in their profits. So I'm looking forward for QCAPITA to drop a little further, perhaps another 2 cents.
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I'm hoping for it to go up to RM1.07-RM1.08 range so that I can sell some off and pick it up again around it's normal range of RM1.01-1.02.....

Notice big lots whacking the price down for the past week but looks like they've disappeared since yesterday........ hmm.gif

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post Jul 30 2010, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 30 2010, 09:50 PM)
kmarc,

There are more to come next week smile.gif
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No! Wait until I earn some KFC first!!!! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Veda @ Nov 28 2010, 06:10 PM)
I thought REIT dividend is already taxed before it reaches the shareholder and no need to declare anything?

Anyway one I thing I'm uncomfortable about Arreit is that Selangor state agency PKNS is its second largest shareholder and PKNS has been injecting some of its assets into the reit.
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Yup. Taxed at company level (as long as company distribute 90% or more of their profits). No need to declare anything but you need to keep the dividend slip just in case LHDN audits your tax filing.

QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 28 2010, 07:17 PM)
wat mean by DPU ?
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In REITs, the correct term is "Distribution Per Unit" and not "Dividend" wink.gif
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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 28 2010, 07:23 PM)
why sunway reit the price > NAV ?
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Dunno. Better ask Cherroy. As far as I know, REIT price not necessarily will correspond to NAV. REIT price, like stock price, depends on what investor thinks they are worth.......

QUOTE(LYR @ Nov 28 2010, 09:13 PM)
that means the recent 1.7617 sen taxable by Arreit is of 25% of company tax for YA'09?
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Errrm.... didn't follow ARREIT but REITs usually distribute 90% or more of their profits, hence only 10% withholding tax......
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Anybody know when Qcap is announcing their divvy? hmm.gif

QUOTE(silentsurfer @ Dec 23 2010, 01:01 PM)
hi everybody, new in reits, started buying some for higher yield compared to FDs.......however, i can't help but notice that most of them at all time high, still there are hardly any sellers.

no one worried about the pending rise in interest rates by Bank Negara? or the possible property bubble? appreciate the comments

bought some arreit and atrium for 4 quarterly dividends smile.gif
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I'm no expert in REITs but I won't sell my REITs now as I'm keeping it for dividend....... smile.gif
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Weird that stareit didn't rally after dividend announcement. Did I miss something? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jan 21 2011, 02:28 PM)
current dpu is 3.29sen, X2 is about 6.58sen.
current price 88sen, 6.58/0.88 = 7.48%, maybe consider fully valued at current %.

to me, still relatively high return in term of %.  tongue.gif
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Yeah, still good returns and also hope for some capital appreciation.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 21 2011, 03:41 PM)
3.x cents is not its actual earning.
Its EPS only 1.x cents for the Q ended 31/12

And with new properties injection is scheduled only completed around 2Q 2011, the period from 1Q to 2Q of 2011, its EPS won't be too much, around 2.x cents is expected only, as newly injected properties only will contribute after the paper work of the injection/acquisition completed.

With 6.89 cents full year EPS is projected after acquisition, at 0.88, seem an ok yield with around 8%.
0.88-0.03 (instant div getting) = 0.85

6.89/0.85 = 8.1% gross, net will be around 7.3%.

So if one is ok with long term FD at 7.3%, this is an ok return.

PS: I might be bias, as I bought again recently.  tongue.gif  biggrin.gif
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Thx for the explanation cherroy. thumbup.gif 7.3% is ok for me, considering the fact that a lot of REITs has already gone up except for stareit. Hoping for some capital appreciation too.

Wah! You bought some recently? Ok, I will follow your behind next week (again)! biggrin.gif

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