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anfieldude
post Apr 24 2010, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(kalido @ Apr 23 2010, 09:54 PM)
new ones feature marvell for video processing , that's a big leap ! can't wait to hear bout da new LX range, usually Pioneer would release them a few moons after the VSX range.


Added on April 23, 2010, 10:02 pm
interesting ... I was always under the impression it was a pure 36 bits ( or 12 bits per component ) deep Color panel.
Anfield,could u care to explain why the general consensus is such pls, just curious  hmm.gif
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I don't think there are any true 12 bit panels (be it LCD or Plasmas) yet.
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post Apr 25 2010, 12:04 AM

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Guys

I notice that after 2 hrs watching kuro, the tv got quite hot (tauch the back panel)..is it normal? or is it there is recommended time it can handle?
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post Apr 25 2010, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Apr 24 2010, 05:43 PM)
I don't think there are any true 12 bit panels (be it LCD or Plasmas) yet.
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like u said if bluray only 8 bit color, what for the manufacturers produce 12 bit panels.
better they stick to 10 bit panels only.
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post Apr 25 2010, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(norazwan79 @ Apr 25 2010, 12:22 AM)
like u said if bluray only 8 bit color, what for the manufacturers produce 12 bit panels.
better they stick to 10 bit panels only.
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10/12 bit increases bit depth thus reduces chances of banding and smoother colour gradiation.

If done correctly, colour processing that is done with greater bit depths will reduce all the artifacts that I explained above.

I believe in a couple of years, 12 bit panels and content will become norm.
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post Apr 25 2010, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(shahnaz07 @ Apr 25 2010, 12:04 AM)
Guys

I notice that after 2 hrs watching kuro, the tv got quite hot (tauch the back panel)..is it normal? or is it there is recommended time it can handle?
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Bro,

This issue was discussed before. Other than yourself, there were also a few comments on the heat from the panel.

Frankly, mine is fine likely because it sits close to the balcony ( I have my sliding door open all the time). In addition, the door from my laundry area is always open as well. In a way, my apt is pretty well ventilated.

In severe cases, overheating can affect the lifespan of any electrical appliance.

Add a rear cooling fan, perhaps? wink.gif
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post Apr 25 2010, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(serendipity168 @ Apr 25 2010, 10:02 PM)
Bro,

This issue was discussed before. Other than yourself, there were also a few comments on the heat from the panel.

Frankly, mine is fine likely because it sits close to the balcony ( I have my sliding door open all the time). In addition, the door from my laundry area is always open as well. In a way, my apt is pretty well ventilated.

In severe cases, overheating can affect the lifespan of any electrical appliance.

Add a rear cooling fan, perhaps?  wink.gif
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Most plasmas have fans if necessary. Plasmas will generate more heat. Nothing to worry about. Also there is a built in circuit to shutdown if temperature exceeds the specs.
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post Apr 25 2010, 10:46 PM

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Today, I did a hands on setup on LX-81. The MCACC is totally different from Audyssey. However, it only measures on 1 specific location unlike the Audyssey. It's fast and there are quite many options to play around if you are very knowledgable in science of sound.


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post Apr 27 2010, 01:05 PM

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Anyone where around KL still have stock for LX or 500A ?
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post Apr 27 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Apr 27 2010, 01:05 PM)
Anyone where around KL still have stock for LX or 500A ?
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try desa ht or harvey norman pavilion.

just watched avatar. i love the PQ. worth buying krp500a if all the movies have PQ like avatar. kudos james cameroon.

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post Apr 27 2010, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(norazwan79 @ Apr 27 2010, 03:05 PM)
try desa ht or harvey norman pavilion.

just watched avatar. i love the PQ. worth buying krp500a if all the movies have PQ like avatar. kudos james cameroon.
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Better if u match your KRP with LX avr, then the AQ of Avatar is marvellous tongue.gif
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post Apr 27 2010, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Apr 25 2010, 10:15 PM)
Most plasmas have fans if necessary. Plasmas will generate more heat. Nothing to worry about. Also there is a built in circuit to shutdown if temperature exceeds the specs.
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TQ bro..now i can enjoy watching my precious kuro...hehe
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post Apr 27 2010, 04:29 PM

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think the main culprit is dust. keep it clean especially on the vents.
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post Apr 27 2010, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Apr 25 2010, 10:46 PM)
Today, I did a hands on setup on LX-81. The MCACC is totally different from Audyssey. However, it only measures on 1 specific location unlike the Audyssey. It's fast and there are quite many options to play around if you are very knowledgable in science of sound.
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LX81 only have the MCACC but the LXx2 onwards have the Advance MCACC which can measure 6 points I think....and even after u measured, the Pioneer let you to tweak it from the saved measurement unlike Audyssey would not let you even touch it.....
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post Apr 27 2010, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Apr 27 2010, 04:39 PM)
LX81 only have the MCACC but the LXx2 onwards have the Advance MCACC which can measure 6 points I think....and even after u measured, the Pioneer let you to tweak it from the saved measurement unlike Audyssey would not let you even touch it.....
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Does the new MCACC enables user to change the setting of x.o for each channels? The saved measurement can be tweaked in LX81 but one needs to have in-depth understanding of sound. I am not one of them sweat.gif
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post Apr 27 2010, 08:38 PM

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the lx-71/81 uses the Advanced MCACC as well though I can't recall it being 6 different points, since I've never done it for more then 1 ( my sweet spot hehe ) . But pretty sure it supports for at least 2 or 3 different position goin by me memory.

A good method of tuning ur system one fine afternoon when u have a few hours in hand, is running the advanded Eq setup with different time position and Eq type . Do a reverb measurement for each setting to see which gives u the smoothest response. In my living 10-30 yielded a satisfactory result which was more then audible when compared to just running the auto.
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post Apr 27 2010, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(kalido @ Apr 27 2010, 08:38 PM)
the lx-71/81 uses the Advanced MCACC as well  though I can't recall it being 6 different points, since I've never done it for more then 1 ( my sweet spot hehe ) . But pretty sure it supports for at least 2 or 3 different position goin by me memory.

A good method of tuning ur system one fine afternoon when u have a few hours in hand, is running the  advanded Eq setup with different  time position and Eq type . Do a reverb measurement for each setting to see which gives u the smoothest response. In my living 10-30 yielded a satisfactory result which was more then audible when compared to just running the auto.
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Just found out that even my little HTP-LX61 is using Advanced MCACC thumbup.gif

Kalido - Seems like you know the difference between MCACC & Advanced MCACC. Can you please shed some light in this topic? cheers.gif

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post Apr 28 2010, 09:47 AM

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hii..im new here..juz bought a set of vsx819 with speaker and sub but dont how to use MCAAC..is it important tu use it?..some people said no need instead of manual setting is more ok..i juz plug and play, dont know how to get better sound..hehehe
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post Apr 28 2010, 11:27 AM

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Hi...
Yesterday I bought the BD avatar..PC & sound was superb...but towards the end the track & time keep appear at the bottom of the screen for every 2-3 second. Its so annoying.

So is it the BD avatar problem? (but its ori)...or something to do with my BD-120? Need advise...tq
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post Apr 29 2010, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Alias @ Apr 28 2010, 10:02 PM)
anfielddude,
apart from the sizes (600m & 500a), is there any more difference in terms of specs and hardware between those two?
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Alias,

Its difficult to confirm if the Ms and the As differ only by firmware. However, based on some insights in the UK forums, the Ms calibrate better. Why and the accuracy of it I can only confirm when I calibrate a 500A.

The difference I know is that the Ms in asia have the "Pure" mode that is quite accurate. The As in Asia do not have the Pure mode. This is an important thing to note. However, if u enable the ISF modes, then it shd not be so much of a problem. Also if u have calibration equipment or get it calibrated Movie mode can be made quite close to Pure mode. The Pure mode tracks gamma better than all other modes except ISF modes.

Hardware wise, there is some data that indicate that the 500series has panels that have lower black levels than the 600series. This was due to incorporation of newer tech in the 500s. However, there is not enough data to suggest that the 600s that we get in Asia (that were the last batch that the factories produced) does not indeed have some further improvements that match the black levels that that 500s have.

The KRPs trump the older LX and the 428/508 in black levels quite a bit. The difference between a 600 and a 500 I cannot confirm as I have not seen calibrated 500 yet.

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