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post Mar 16 2010, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(azrin_kiko @ Mar 16 2010, 02:37 PM)
It's close to imposibble to all SD channels become HD within a year, if the SD channel is become 16:9, i believe it.
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Unless all SD channel are HD upscaled? hmm.gif
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post Mar 16 2010, 02:48 PM

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HD channels need huge bandwidth to broadcast, I don't think astro has enough transponders to broadcast all channels in HD
astro can opts for wide-screen SD transmission in 16:9 ratio and save on bandwidth, HDTV viewers will be happy, but CRT viewers may not like it
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Mar 16 2010, 02:40 PM)
Unless all SD channel are HD upscaled? hmm.gif
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I would take that anyday if PQ is close to F1 HD UPSCALE
But that would take up a lot of bandwith and will not be a good business move by Astro
But then again
Screwing up business decisions are Astro specialty..

Hey..to all of u out there
If Astro say they were following international standard of broadcasting, then that refers to Pillar Box mode right?
Astro had this 'International Standard' before the firmware update
So what were they doing replacing stretch with zoom in the first place since it had nothing to do with Pillar Box?


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post Mar 16 2010, 02:52 PM

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zoom mode will no pass any broadcasting standard, good thing astro is going to take it off permanently

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post Mar 16 2010, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Mar 16 2010, 02:40 PM)
Unless all SD channel are HD upscaled? hmm.gif
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Upscaled SD to HD? eventhough technically HD, but it has no feature that HD offers such as crisp clear picx, more details and etc...
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post Mar 16 2010, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(dxjb @ Mar 16 2010, 02:49 PM)
I would take that anyday if PQ is close to F1 HD UPSCALE
But that would take up a lot of bandwith and will not be a good business move by Astro
But then again
Screwing up business decisions are Astro specialty..

Hey..to all of u out there
If Astro say they were following international standard of broadcasting, then that refers to Pillar Box mode right?
Astro had this 'International Standard' before the firmware update
So what were they doing replacing stretch with zoom in the first place since it had nothing to do with Pillar Box?
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International standards or rules do not prejudice Astro in whatsoever way, legally. This is a marketing strategy and nothing to do with regulations.
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post Mar 16 2010, 02:55 PM

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upscale is good enough for non-HD channel. just remain the pricing
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post Mar 16 2010, 03:20 PM

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5) Do you think that those people with big LCD TVs are now very frustrated viewing pillar box or zoom after spending thousands to upgrade their system mainly because of the new Astro Beyond? Do you think that with the present changes, LCD TV market will reduce and others will not be happy since their business will be affected?


+1.. i agree some ppl change tv because of byond mad.gif
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post Mar 16 2010, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Mar 16 2010, 02:52 PM)
zoom mode will no pass any broadcasting standard, good thing astro is going to take it off permanently
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I kind of agree with Astro on this one, there are no broadcasters I know of that allow out of aspect ratio video come out of the set top box. I actually think stretch mode will be in breach of their HDMI certification (if they have it?).

The HDMI standard is very long and strict, see http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/specification.aspx, for example it clearly states that Audio must be of a fixed RMS in terms of volume so the Astro decoder must output a fixed audio on the HDMI connector. It also clearly states that all video must adhere to the native aspect ratio of the display and not distort.

Astro may return the stretch option but could equally come under pressure from the HDMI certification to remove it! The TV manufacturers and the actual producers of the tv shows may also put pressure on Astro to remove stretch.

Perhaps, Astros renaming of "stretch" to "fit to screen" is them attempting to hide the fact that they are deliberately distorting the video output of the box?

From what I have seen on TallJustins blog, the zoom looks like it fills the screen yet is technically compliant with the HDMI standard.

Unfortunately I cant see for myself as I am in Japan until next week and it looks like Astro will have done the new software on the b.yond box.

My personal opinion, if the zoom is what I think it is, is that the new download will break the box in terms of HDMI standards and my personal 4:3 viewing as I dont want "postage stamping" of 16:9 programs that are letterboxed down to 4:3.

They can never please all of us I suppose!
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post Mar 16 2010, 03:44 PM

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replace?

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post Mar 16 2010, 03:49 PM

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ATTENTION..

Erm...someone will be joining astro tour this saturday....so, anybody have question to ask at astro regarding b.yond...please note down...really appreciate ur point...this is the chances for us to communicate with astro...
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post Mar 16 2010, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(apexg2 @ Mar 16 2010, 03:49 PM)
ATTENTION..

Erm...someone will be joining astro tour this saturday....so, anybody have question to ask at astro regarding b.yond...please note down...really appreciate ur point...this is the chances for us to communicate with astro...
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New HD Channels this year.
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post Mar 16 2010, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(dxjb @ Mar 16 2010, 02:49 PM)
I would take that anyday if PQ is close to F1 HD UPSCALE
But that would take up a lot of bandwith and will not be a good business move by Astro
But then again
Screwing up business decisions are Astro specialty..

Hey..to all of u out there
If Astro say they were following international standard of broadcasting, then that refers to Pillar Box mode right?
Astro had this 'International Standard' before the firmware update
So what were they doing replacing stretch with zoom in the first place since it had nothing to do with Pillar Box?
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This post has been edited by sufian89: Mar 16 2010, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(AstInst @ Mar 16 2010, 03:23 PM)
From what I have seen on TallJustins blog, the zoom looks like it fills the screen yet is technically compliant with the HDMI standard.
My personal opinion, if the zoom is what I think it is, is that the new download will break the box in terms of HDMI standards and my personal 4:3 viewing as I dont want "postage stamping" of 16:9 programs that are letterboxed down to 4:3.

They can never please all of us I suppose!
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Then make the HDMI standard offer warranty when people's TV suffer burn-in or LCD persistance! My Sharp LC19A35M cost RM1200, my Dell E248WFP costs RM1500. If they get LCD persistence heads will roll.

QUOTE(azrin_kiko @ Mar 16 2010, 04:02 PM)
New HD Channels this year.
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Not going to happen. CS rep told me that when I called in to follow up on my complains. The World Cup HD channels are the last of new channels for this year (thus the making their press release for byond a blatant lie- they did promise at least 10 HD channels by the end of the year in that press release).

QUOTE(sufian89 @ Mar 16 2010, 04:12 PM)
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Agreed. Astro's actions have made Malaysia's TV offerings look backwards even when compared to India.

This post has been edited by RAMChYLD: Mar 16 2010, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE(AstInst @ Mar 16 2010, 03:23 PM)
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The HDMI standard is very long and strict, see http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/specification.aspx, for example it clearly states that Audio must be of a fixed RMS in terms of volume so the Astro decoder must output a fixed audio on the HDMI connector. It also clearly states that all video must adhere to the native aspect ratio of the display and not distort.

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can you show me which paragraph in the "HDMI Specification 1.3a" document stated that particular requirement?

HDMI requirement stated as: "HDMI 1.3 to HDMI 1.3c uses the CEA-861-D video standard"

QUOTE(part of CEA-861-D video standard)
17 576p      4:3                720x576p @ 50Hz
18 576pH    16:9                720x576p @ 50Hz
19 720p50  16:9              1280x720p @ 50Hz
20 1080i25  16:9              1920x1080i @ 50Hz*
21 576i      4:3          720(1440)x576i @ 50Hz
22 576iH    16:9          720(1440)x576i @ 50Hz
23 288p      4:3          720(1440)x288p @ 50Hz
24 288pH    16:9          720(1440)x288p @ 50Hz
25 576i4x    4:3            (2880)x576i @ 50Hz
26 576i4xH  16:9            (2880)x576i @ 50Hz
27 288p4x    4:3            (2880)x288p @ 50Hz
28 288p4xH  16:9            (2880)x288p @ 50Hz
29 576p2x    4:3              1440x576p @ 50Hz
30 576p2xH  16:9              1440x576p @ 50Hz
31 1080p50  16:9              1920x1080p @ 50Hz
byond box only uses 4 of the video mode listed above


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QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Mar 16 2010, 04:38 PM)
CS rep told me that when I called in to follow up on my complains. The World Cup HD channels are the last of new channels for this year (thus the making their press release for byond a blatant lie- they did promise at least 10 HD channels by the end of the year in that press release).
Agreed. Astro's actions have made Malaysia's TV offerings look backwards even when compared to India.
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4 more maybe upscaled HD?
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5 FIFA World Cup channels in HD


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post Mar 16 2010, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Mar 16 2010, 05:48 PM)
5 FIFA World Cup channels in HD
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After World Cup, what will happen to those channel? hmm.gif
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It's mean this thursday new firmware update(with “Fit to Screen”option)? hmm.gif thumbup.gif

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Following customers' feedback after the software update download, we hear your preference and are working with our software partners to provide feasible viewing options. By the end of this week, we will replace the “Zoom” option with the “Fit to Screen” option for our customers who prefer to view Standard Definition content in full screen. To do this, customers can press the aspect ratio button on their Astro B.yond remote control. However, for the correct proportions and best resolution, Astro recommends that Standard Definition content be viewed via the pillar box mode.

Astro regrets any inconvenience caused as it strives to improve its customer experience. Astro thanks its loyal customers for their continued feedback.


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QUOTE(apexg2 @ Mar 16 2010, 03:49 PM)
ATTENTION..

Erm...someone will be joining astro tour this saturday....so, anybody have question to ask at astro regarding b.yond...please note down...really appreciate ur point...this is the chances for us to communicate with astro...
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Even better, come join us for the tour. More details here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1353806
You can DM me, or email to astrohd2010@gmail.com to request for invite.

Basically, I will also compile the questions, of course the most frequently asked ones will be my priority la.


p/s: Nope, I'm not Astro staff, I worked for an agency, which Astro is our client =)

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