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post Dec 16 2009, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(prasys @ Dec 16 2009, 05:41 PM)
Look you can revert back to RCA , that way it always works. Sure its not the best quality but if you're recording and wanna view back later its okay. Its not like you want to record every fine detail. For me , when i record drama/sit-com or some important event , i just wanna watch. I dont care much about the quality anyway
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 16 2009, 05:43 PM)
Yea.
RCA always work. If not double check to see your recorder has component or not.
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if it is the only way for me to record shows,
this is my only choice.

normally i only record on those sd channel like wah lai toi and tvbs etc,
don know yet for HD channels,
but i hope they will provide celestial HD channel....
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post Dec 16 2009, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(THEALB10N @ Dec 16 2009, 06:07 PM)
CompoNENT cables (IE the one with 3 connectors on each end) DOES support 1080p. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_cable
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Before you get happy about 1080p is supported in Component video cable , read this

http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hdtv-articles/...to-the-cea.html


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post Dec 16 2009, 06:10 PM

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I use VCR to record astro show,can i still do that after i change to the new decoder?
I also use one decoder for 2 TV in my house,one downstair and one upstair.
Mean if i wanna play game on downstair my sis can still watch it downstair but most set the channel at downstair first

Can still do that after change?

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post Dec 16 2009, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Dec 16 2009, 06:05 PM)
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Im very sure component cable could only go up to 1080i not p.... my lecturer told me that... and when I went to buy the component cable, I've seen so many brands but all of them support at most 1080i....
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yes, component can support analog HD up to 1080p, ask your lecturer surf the internet more whistling.gif
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analog component video is defined by the CEA specification, CEA-770.3-rev C. The spec was last revised five years ago, and defines 720p and 1080i, but not1080p.

Even in the absence of a standard, however, 1080p component video has made its way into a surprising amount of consumer devices. Several display manufacturers support 1080p over component video, either across the line such as Samsung, or as an undocumented feature on certain models such as Syntax/Brillian’s.

Many networked media players, such as those from PixelMagic Systems and Ziova, will output 1080p via component, as will Media Center PCs.

However, the most significant source devices are the major gaming consoles, with both the Playstation 3 and the Xbox 360 supporting 1080p analog.
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post Dec 16 2009, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Gahleon @ Dec 16 2009, 06:10 PM)
I use VCR to record astro show,can i still do that after i change to the new decoder?
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It does not matter , you and I are on the same boat

You use a VCR , I use a PC to record. As long it can support 2 outputs at the same time for SD channels just like current ASTRO. I am sold. I dont care about HD recording. There is always BluRay for that for pure 1080p experience !
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QUOTE(prasys @ Dec 16 2009, 06:08 PM)
1080p requires a huge bandwidth compared to 1080i/720p , think of an economist's point of view instead of an engineer's point of view - it would be pretty expensive to get the cables , equipment and other stuff. Its just a matter of time , in the world currently the preferred broadcast is 720p for sports and 1080i for other shows and stuff

The good news is that SPORTS channel is finally getting progressive scan. Meaning that motion should rapid and it should be pretty good ;P
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i think astro only provide 1080i/720p HD channel,
not 1080p,
right?

so for us that only own HD ready tv,
actually it is enough for us,
am i correct?
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post Dec 16 2009, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(THEALB10N @ Dec 16 2009, 06:07 PM)
CompoNENT cables (IE the one with 3 connectors on each end) DOES support 1080p. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_cable
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w00t, then its my bad lol
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post Dec 16 2009, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(twL @ Dec 16 2009, 06:11 PM)
i think astro only provide 1080i/720p HD channel,
not 1080p,
right?

so for us that only own HD ready tv,
actually it is enough for us,
am i correct?
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I do have HD Ready TV. To be honest its more then enough. Progressive scan is for me important when it comes to sports. especially if you're a kaki bola , cause trust me. Currently watching football on plasma or LCD tv sorta sucks with Astro. Firstly its not 16:9 and secondly its not progressive scan. Even 480p @ 16:9 would look great tongue.gif



For movies and Nat Geo , etc I don't care much if its 1080i. For those who have 1080p tv , it will be pixel prefect well sorta (but then the tV has to a 3:2 pulldown which causes the framerates to be interlaced @ 60fields/sec)

I know a lot of gurus here are going to disagree with me. Pardon me wise gurus , I am just Keeping track of this thread tongue.gif
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QUOTE(prasys @ Dec 16 2009, 06:08 PM)
1080p requires a huge bandwidth compared to 1080i/720p , think of an economist's point of view instead of an engineer's point of view - it would be pretty expensive to get the cables , equipment and other stuff. Its just a matter of time , in the world currently the preferred broadcast is 720p for sports and 1080i for other shows and stuff

The good news is that SPORTS channel is finally getting progressive scan. Meaning that motion should rapid and it should be pretty good ;P
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How sure are you sports would be in 720p ? I have a feeling it would be 1080i as well... because 720p requires a lot of bandwidth... and you know astro la...very stingy when it comes to bandwidth... though not to worry my tv will flip if it changes resolution....so i can tell what resolution will that channel be broadcasting =P
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QUOTE(prasys @ Dec 16 2009, 06:09 PM)
Before you get happy about 1080p is supported in Component video cable , read this

http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hdtv-articles/...to-the-cea.html
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To be honest I'm not bothered with component cables, just pointing out the facts. I will be using a HDMI cable with my brand spanking new samsung 55 incher if/hen I decide to order astroHD. The only problem is that I just did up my feature wall, and the astro cable from the satellite is BEHIND IT yawn.gif. Those astro technicians are going to have a fun time replacing that!
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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Dec 16 2009, 06:16 PM)
How sure are you sports would be in 720p ?  I have a feeling it would be 1080i as well... because 720p requires a lot of bandwidth... and you know astro la...very stingy when it comes to bandwidth... though not to worry my tv will flip if it changes resolution....so i can tell what resolution will that channel be broadcasting =P
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Dude , you gotta read up first

720p/1080i = same bandwidth

You can read more about it http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=88

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Ok, so if progressive video is technically better, why did they allow interlaced video in the DTV spec? Bandwidth is the short answer. Turns out in the current TV channel frequency spacing and using the compression technology that existed at the time of the DTV decision in 1996, there was sufficient bandwidth to allow only HDTV formats that would not exceed the allowed bandwidth per channel. This ended up allowing three formats that pretty well used up the bandwidth. These are 1920Ă—1080p/30fps, 1920Ă—1080i/30fps and 1280Ă—720p/60fps. There are other possible HDTV formats, but these are the three that are at the bandwidth limit. Looking at pixel counts we have roughly the same quantity of pixels transmitted each second for all three with the two 1920Ă—1080p,i/30fps being 62,208,000 pixels per second and 1280Ă—720p/60fps being 55,296,000 pixels per second. Notice the 1080 and 720 formats are within 12.5% of each other, so the bandwidth required is about the same. The 720p/60fps format does have a slight advantage of not having to be quite as compressed as the 1080/30fps formats, so pixelation or blockyness of fast moving objects could be somewhat less. This can be a significant benefit for televised sporting events, although the reason why 1080i broadcasts have more of this blockyness is more due to multi-casting where the bandwidth is divided up to allow one channel to have multiple programs, a DTV feature that was not available on analog TV.




Its only 1080p that requires huge amount of bandwidth , thats out of the question for now. It would be stupid if ASTRO broadcasts sports @ 1080i - cause its going to be bit blur

Secondly , every TV is able to tell its broadcasting mode and secondly the setup box can determine it. You should read up on HDMI v1.3 specifications (which I believe the protocol ASTRO would be using). The reason why they want HD broadcasts via HDMI is because of HDCP


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post Dec 16 2009, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Dec 16 2009, 06:10 PM)
yes, component can support analog HD up to 1080p, ask your lecturer surf the internet more whistling.gif
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oops lol, ok will inform my lecturer about that hahaha... nice read there you've got... but anyhow if u were to use component... will the quality be worst than using hdmi since it has became analog? not to mention 3 cables vs 1 hdmi..... the price will be higher than for a hdmi
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I register online last Friday, Jjst receive call from Asstro after call them few times. Same here, have to wait 10 day.
Anyone from Penang sub. Asstro Byon ??
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QUOTE(THEALB10N @ Dec 16 2009, 06:19 PM)
To be honest I'm not bothered with component cables, just pointing out the facts. I will be using a HDMI cable with my brand spanking new samsung 55 incher if/hen I decide to order astroHD. The only problem is that I just did up my feature wall, and the astro cable from the satellite is BEHIND IT yawn.gif. Those astro technicians are going to have a fun time replacing that!
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Shouldn't be any problems for the tech as you do not need to change the RG6 cables. Just need to change to the new decoder and shaft back the old RG6 cable to the new decoder and conncet the HDMI cable to your TV.

How's your new TV serving you? Enjoying it well?
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QUOTE(prasys @ Dec 16 2009, 06:21 PM)
Dude , you gotta read up first

720p/1080i = same bandwidth

You can read more about it http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=88
Its only 1080p that requires huge amount of bandwidth , thats out of the question for now. It would be stupid if ASTRO broadcasts sports @ 1080i - cause its going to be bit blur

Secondly , every TV is able to tell its broadcasting mode and secondly the setup box can determine it. You should read up on HDMI v1.3 specifications (which I believe the protocol ASTRO would be using). The reason why they want HD broadcasts via HDMI is because of HDCP
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Aikz... i always feel that 720p would require more bandwidth to maintain the same quality compared to 1080i.... technically 720p has a higher resolution (compared to 1080i or 540p) hence the need of extra bandwidth for 180p? lol
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conceal cable should be going through PVC trunking pipe bury inside wall, so can be easily replaced

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It is raining damn heavy for the past 15 mins but my Astro is running fine. Even these few months with constant rain there has been no disruption. Do you guys out there face this too? Maybe Astro is much better now than before.

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post Dec 16 2009, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(braveheart @ Dec 16 2009, 06:26 PM)
Shouldn't be any problems for the tech as you do not need to change the RG6 cables. Just need to change to the new decoder and shaft back the old RG6 cable to the new decoder and conncet the HDMI cable to your TV.

How's your new TV serving you? Enjoying it well?
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Wait, so I DON'T need to change the cable from the sat to the box? Hallelujah! biggrin.gif That means I'm definately getting AstroHD! The TV is great (apart from the fact that the shop tried to give me the display unit instead of a new unit and thought I wouldn't notice) but I'm still waiting for them to deliver the wireless thingy to connect my rear speakers to the theatre system and the other wireless thingy to connect the TV to my PC (not to mention a new TV unit). Its been about 4 weeks now. I want to experience some surround sound with my DVDs!
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is the cable no need to be replaced?...cuz my cable is installed by my uncle last time when my family move house
the cable is done nicely though the side of the ceiling....very neat, clean and cannot be seen
i'm just afraid those astro guy with lousy skill and want to finish it fast...they'll make a mess of the cable wiring
my dad is going to be mad if that happen
so if the wire no need change thn it's good
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QUOTE(neb @ Dec 16 2009, 06:38 PM)
conceal cable should be going through PVC trunking  pipe bury inside wall, so can be easily replaced
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It's not (or wasn't) a hidden cable. It was nailed to the skirting board with some plastic clips, but my feature wall is now covering up the entire wall, meaning there is no access to the cable anymore, without removing a section of the feature wall, which I'm not keen to do.

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