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post Dec 14 2009, 04:32 PM

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They call me saturday , tomorrow they'll call me up

Well it supports SD output , so hopefully I can get it to work with my MCE-150. I'll be needing it to record SD shows
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post Dec 15 2009, 04:18 PM

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I did not get any calls from ASTRO yet. Should I call them up and ask or they just dont care about me
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post Dec 16 2009, 05:21 PM

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ecam , i guess you do work for ASTRO.

Nevertheless , I want to ask you. Is it a must to replace the coax cables , i mean its the same RB6 cables right ?

Secondly I want to ask you this. Can it support 2 simultaneous output like my current Nokia Setupbox whereby I can output S-video to my TV and feed rca cables to my computer. I've my HTPC setup to automatically record certain programmes or if i am browising the net via my HTPC and If i want to tune into astro without the need of switching channels or getting the remote

Please do answer that
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post Dec 16 2009, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(twL @ Dec 16 2009, 05:23 PM)
if cannot using HDMI and s-video/component output on the same time,
i cant use my dvd recorder d...
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I am just asking for HDMI out for my TV and just normal connectors out support at the same time for my PC. I understand that it wouldn't work with hD channels cause my tuner does not do HD. Thats fine with me , I just want recording for SD shows only !
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post Dec 16 2009, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(twL @ Dec 16 2009, 05:32 PM)
i have a new question from ur replied, is it we still can watch HD channel by composite or component output?
mean i have to buy new component cable for my dvd recorder or use back composite cable...
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 16 2009, 05:32 PM)
You can't watch HD through composite, period.
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1) SSJBen already said you can't. When you connect its going to work unless ASTRO smartly downgrades it. But I doubt they do that , cause lets face it if you wanna record something - you would rather record it in SD channels !

I am still waiting for an answer here about using HDMI + Composite out together.
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post Dec 16 2009, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(twL @ Dec 16 2009, 05:38 PM)
i forget my dvd recorder support component input o not,
or all recorder supported?
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Look you can revert back to RCA , that way it always works. Sure its not the best quality but if you're recording and wanna view back later its okay. Its not like you want to record every fine detail. For me , when i record drama/sit-com or some important event , i just wanna watch. I dont care much about the quality anyway
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post Dec 16 2009, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(putih @ Dec 16 2009, 05:49 PM)
Agreed. I watched Blu ray using 3plug RCA and SQ and PQ was really good though no Hi Def.
And you can't record HD content coz of the HDCP protocol, hope you know that. Make it simple, watch in HD, record is SD.
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I'm aware of it , my HTPC is HDCP compliant and yes I've bought few HD stuff from iTunes it has to be HDCP compliant PC. Its not an issue

For me , I am alrighty with SD recording !
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post Dec 16 2009, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Dec 16 2009, 06:05 PM)
Yes the cable needs to be replaced... but Im not sure what cables, perhaps a better type..diff material to avoid interference of other signals since hd involves high data rate.

I have a feeling it will support 2 simultaneous outputs.
Har? are you sure? Why in hell would they use component output then? They might as well just use back composite lol...  If they really do that, they will lose out to those customers who owns old hdtv sets without hdmi input
Im very sure component cable could only go up to 1080i not p.... my lecturer told me that... and when I went to buy the component cable, I've seen so many brands but all of them support at most 1080i....
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1080p requires a huge bandwidth compared to 1080i/720p , think of an economist's point of view instead of an engineer's point of view - it would be pretty expensive to get the cables , equipment and other stuff. Its just a matter of time , in the world currently the preferred broadcast is 720p for sports and 1080i for other shows and stuff

The good news is that SPORTS channel is finally getting progressive scan. Meaning that motion should rapid and it should be pretty good ;P
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post Dec 16 2009, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(THEALB10N @ Dec 16 2009, 06:07 PM)
CompoNENT cables (IE the one with 3 connectors on each end) DOES support 1080p. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_cable
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Before you get happy about 1080p is supported in Component video cable , read this

http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hdtv-articles/...to-the-cea.html


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post Dec 16 2009, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Gahleon @ Dec 16 2009, 06:10 PM)
I use VCR to record astro show,can i still do that after i change to the new decoder?
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It does not matter , you and I are on the same boat

You use a VCR , I use a PC to record. As long it can support 2 outputs at the same time for SD channels just like current ASTRO. I am sold. I dont care about HD recording. There is always BluRay for that for pure 1080p experience !
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post Dec 16 2009, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(twL @ Dec 16 2009, 06:11 PM)
i think astro only provide 1080i/720p HD channel,
not 1080p,
right?

so for us that only own HD ready tv,
actually it is enough for us,
am i correct?
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I do have HD Ready TV. To be honest its more then enough. Progressive scan is for me important when it comes to sports. especially if you're a kaki bola , cause trust me. Currently watching football on plasma or LCD tv sorta sucks with Astro. Firstly its not 16:9 and secondly its not progressive scan. Even 480p @ 16:9 would look great tongue.gif



For movies and Nat Geo , etc I don't care much if its 1080i. For those who have 1080p tv , it will be pixel prefect well sorta (but then the tV has to a 3:2 pulldown which causes the framerates to be interlaced @ 60fields/sec)

I know a lot of gurus here are going to disagree with me. Pardon me wise gurus , I am just Keeping track of this thread tongue.gif
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post Dec 16 2009, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Dec 16 2009, 06:16 PM)
How sure are you sports would be in 720p ?  I have a feeling it would be 1080i as well... because 720p requires a lot of bandwidth... and you know astro la...very stingy when it comes to bandwidth... though not to worry my tv will flip if it changes resolution....so i can tell what resolution will that channel be broadcasting =P
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Dude , you gotta read up first

720p/1080i = same bandwidth

You can read more about it http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=88

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Ok, so if progressive video is technically better, why did they allow interlaced video in the DTV spec? Bandwidth is the short answer. Turns out in the current TV channel frequency spacing and using the compression technology that existed at the time of the DTV decision in 1996, there was sufficient bandwidth to allow only HDTV formats that would not exceed the allowed bandwidth per channel. This ended up allowing three formats that pretty well used up the bandwidth. These are 1920×1080p/30fps, 1920×1080i/30fps and 1280×720p/60fps. There are other possible HDTV formats, but these are the three that are at the bandwidth limit. Looking at pixel counts we have roughly the same quantity of pixels transmitted each second for all three with the two 1920×1080p,i/30fps being 62,208,000 pixels per second and 1280×720p/60fps being 55,296,000 pixels per second. Notice the 1080 and 720 formats are within 12.5% of each other, so the bandwidth required is about the same. The 720p/60fps format does have a slight advantage of not having to be quite as compressed as the 1080/30fps formats, so pixelation or blockyness of fast moving objects could be somewhat less. This can be a significant benefit for televised sporting events, although the reason why 1080i broadcasts have more of this blockyness is more due to multi-casting where the bandwidth is divided up to allow one channel to have multiple programs, a DTV feature that was not available on analog TV.




Its only 1080p that requires huge amount of bandwidth , thats out of the question for now. It would be stupid if ASTRO broadcasts sports @ 1080i - cause its going to be bit blur

Secondly , every TV is able to tell its broadcasting mode and secondly the setup box can determine it. You should read up on HDMI v1.3 specifications (which I believe the protocol ASTRO would be using). The reason why they want HD broadcasts via HDMI is because of HDCP


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post Dec 16 2009, 11:10 PM

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iman , where are you located ?
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post Dec 16 2009, 11:32 PM

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You must be one of their valued Customers tongue.gif


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post Dec 17 2009, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(pirateguy @ Dec 17 2009, 12:14 AM)
Someone said it differently
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http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/article.php?fil...=1080i-vs.-720p

It was me , you could have just quoted my name . Anyway read about it. In US , ESPN is 720p


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post Dec 17 2009, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Dec 17 2009, 02:11 PM)
modern plasma/lcd can de-interlace 1080i, so we effectively get 1080p, no?
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Yes , yep you'll be getting 1080p. However there still would be blurriness here and there

Oh lord , 1 hour delay for their HD broadcast for world cup. Thats stupid
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post Dec 17 2009, 04:31 PM

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Anyone else managed to have Astro byond HD yet...I'm still waiting for the installer to call me
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post Dec 17 2009, 08:51 PM

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It can , HDMI v1.0 can. I believe it will work just fine. Did a bit on research of HD setup boxes about it. Yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Definiti...media_Interface
Dont worry , HDMI v1.0 states it can do HDCP , however it does not follow certain standards and its up to Panasonic. Long story short :-

Playback will work , however not sure if recording would work or not. Thats another question. I can't answer. As for watching HD programs , you dont have to worry

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post Dec 17 2009, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(kerollowyat @ Dec 17 2009, 08:53 PM)
After 12 months, if one decide to not subscribe for HD anymore, then how?
Is it still possible to use the new decorder for normal SD viewing?
The RM20 added to the bill will be charged monthly, starting on April regardless of what package subscribed. In other words, the RM20 is fix?

Thanks nod.gif
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After 12 months , you're a free bird. Kinda pointless to have a HD decoder when you say you dont want HD stuff anymore ! Astro knows you're continue going to subscribe for HD
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post Dec 17 2009, 10:34 PM

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Again I dont care much about if its 1080i or 720p , cause my eyes can't detect the difference and its hard to tell. Unless you've super eyes , then its another story

Just give me the decoder and HD sports service. I wanna watch EPL and fifa 2010 in HD. Thats all , and in 16:9

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