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post Feb 16 2006, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(BegRedBarr @ Feb 16 2006, 11:54 AM)
Greetings HDTVHeads,
Finally found a decent HDTV local forum, I've been reading up on HDTV info and technology. Got the HDTV bug when sister-in-law family got themselves a 37" Aquos LCD telly. Unfortunately, its mostly tuned to Astro transmission most of the time, and looks really shite on the telly since you can see the video is heavily compressed with heavy artifacts all around. Horrid. I've imagine hooking up my Xbox, but then again I'd realise that they might not be any more *new*games left to play at the end of this year (if I end up with a nice big telly).

I've been reading the whole thread, I'm looking forward to move up to a better + bigger telly. No hurry on my part, since I'll only get one probably at the end of this year.

I've been looking at a CRT display with widescreen, HD ready and the Samsung SlimFit 32" WS-32Z31HE really fits the bill.

But digging in closer, and reading more, one of the main gripes are:

1. Bad geometry problems (screen lines are not true straight at edge of screen)

2. Picture quality is so-so (I dropped by at Harvey Norman@The Curve yesterday, they have one SlimFit 32 WS on display, but it was running on composite video)

Overall, I am very dissappointed at Samsung's first attempt and imagine the poor Yanks who bought this TV when it was first release during July 2005, most of them end up returning back the tv and ending up with a Sony.
Ref: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....92&page=1&pp=30

LG does market a similar product as well called Cybertube(!) but since announcing it last year, there is virtually no news or products coming out here (except in Korea market)

I'll have to wait and see yeah?

PS: Spend most on my telly playing Xbox and watching DvDs, I got a nice smallish 21ish Sony Wega, nothing fancy but it all sense has absolutely lovely color and vibrant image. And DVD is running on composite cables only!
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you definitily done your homework thumbup.gif
and don't forget samsung slimfit 32" WS-32Z31HE only capable of displaying 50Hz signal (PAL), thats mean a no-no for NTSC signal. if you don't mind black border top and bottom for 4:3 29" tv, getting a HDTV capable of accepting 720p & 1080i signal for RM2k is definitily worth it.


QUOTE(MK84 @ Feb 16 2006, 12:15 PM)
this only works for using PC Monitor or Projector. Projector, i doubt got anyone here using it to watch video. before i buy a HDTV, i was using 19" PC Monitor with vdigi. then from 19" to 29" HDTV, the difference was totally shocking.
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post Feb 16 2006, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 16 2006, 04:22 PM)
this only works for using PC Monitor or Projector. Projector, i doubt got anyone here using it to watch video. before i buy a HDTV, i was using 19" PC Monitor with vdigi. then from 19" to 29" HDTV, the difference was totally shocking.
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From what I gather. Some ppl use it to replace the standard descaler that's built into most HDTVs.
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post Feb 16 2006, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(MK84 @ Feb 16 2006, 05:31 PM)
From what I gather. Some ppl use it to replace the standard descaler that's built into most HDTVs.
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unless your tv got vga input, there is no other way to to get the HD quality. the newer model with DVI i believe got good descaler built-in already.
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post Feb 21 2006, 03:13 PM

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i'm wondering...
if i buy a sony bravia lcdtv, (S series - no money to get the highest end V series)... is the image from the tv be hd if i connect the component cable between the tv and the dvd player (assuming the movie is a hd-dvd)?
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post Feb 21 2006, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(clausman @ Feb 21 2006, 03:13 PM)
i'm wondering...
if i buy a sony bravia lcdtv, (S series - no money to get the highest end V series)... is the image from the tv be hd if i connect the component cable between the tv and the dvd player (assuming the movie is a hd-dvd)?
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Actually the short answer is NO.

DVD media does not output HD images, so even if you have the V-series, unless you have a special BluRay or HDDVD player you'll get images at 480p, which is EDTV, but not HDTV.

So assuming you buy a HDDVD/bluray player, YES you'll be able to view gorgeous HDTV images, but not thru component cables, rather DVI or HDMI.
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post Feb 22 2006, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Feb 21 2006, 08:20 PM)
Actually the short answer is NO.

DVD media does not output HD images, so even if you have the V-series, unless you have a special BluRay or HDDVD player you'll get images at 480p, which is EDTV, but not HDTV.

So assuming you buy a HDDVD/bluray player, YES you'll be able to view gorgeous HDTV images, but not thru component cables, rather DVI or HDMI.
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err.... u can still get HDTV images using component cables but limited to 720p and 1080i. For 1080p then only u'd need DVI or HDMI.
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post Feb 22 2006, 01:46 AM

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anyone no the cheapest tv which have hd????
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post Feb 22 2006, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Feb 22 2006, 12:01 AM)
err.... u can still get HDTV images using component cables but limited to 720p and 1080i. For 1080p then only u'd need DVI or HDMI.
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Actually I was directly addressing this question:

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i'm wondering...
if i buy a sony bravia lcdtv, (S series - no money to get the highest end V series)... is the image from the tv be hd if i connect the component cable between the tv and the dvd player (assuming the movie is a hd-dvd)?


So if we were to take his question word for word - there is no DVD player as yet that outputs at 720p/1080i, especially since HDDVD players don't exist yet. So in a sense I think my answer still stands as correct. Sure we can get HD resolution programming using component cables, but we don't have those here yet.

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Feb 22 2006, 09:07 AM)
Actually I was directly addressing this question:
So if we were to take his question word for word -  there is no DVD player as yet that outputs at 720p/1080i, especially since HDDVD players don't exist yet. So in a sense I think my answer still stands as correct. Sure we can get HD resolution programming using component cables, but we don't have those here yet.
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I think the sliight more correct answer is, there is NO SUCH THING AS A HDTV DVD player and THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HDTV MOVIES IN DVD FORMAT.
So even if you crack up a HDTV DVD player in your garage, you still can't do anything with it coz THERE'S NO MOVIE ENCODED IN THIS FORMAT ON DVD.

There's HDTV movie only currently on HD-DVD I believe, but i'm not sure if that is available to the mass market yet even in the US. I haven't read anything about HDTV movies in BlueRay yet, so i assume it's still WIP.

btw, some DVD players does upscale to 720p/1080i, but it's only upscaling. In fact, when i watch a DVD/any movies using XBMC in HDTV mode, i think it upscale already...and frankly, it doesn't looks any better than 480p(not that it's bad - it looks very good already on a 4:3 29" HDTV).

This post has been edited by Matrix: Feb 22 2006, 09:17 AM
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post Feb 22 2006, 09:23 AM

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Actually there is DVD Player in the market have output for 720p/1080i. The player called DVD Up-Conversion Player to convert current DVD resolution to 720p/1080i via HDMI/DVI/Component but the picture quality is no way near 'REAL' upcoming Hi-Def DVD format.

Opps.. Sorry late post the message since matrix already answered the reply smile.gif

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post Feb 22 2006, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Feb 22 2006, 09:15 AM)
I think the sliight more correct answer is, there is NO SUCH THING AS A HDTV DVD player and THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HDTV MOVIES IN DVD FORMAT.
So even if you crack up a HDTV DVD player in your garage, you still can't do anything with it coz THERE'S NO MOVIE ENCODED IN THIS FORMAT ON DVD.


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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Feb 21 2006, 08:20 PM)
So assuming you buy a HDDVD/bluray player, YES you'll be able to view gorgeous HDTV images, but not thru component cables, rather DVI or HDMI.
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yes u are correct bout the dvd player, but i was replying to this statement. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Feb 22 2006, 10:29 AM)
yes u are correct bout the dvd player, but i was replying to this statement.  tongue.gif
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LoL. Like that ah? Okaylah - all settled then smile.gif
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post Feb 26 2006, 02:10 PM

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what HD-TV widescreen wan...will scale astro into good lookin widescreen mode...?i seen most widescreen hd-tv...on astro...it will stretch the image..
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QUOTE(yikyeou @ Feb 26 2006, 02:10 PM)
what HD-TV widescreen wan...will scale astro into good lookin widescreen mode...?i seen most widescreen hd-tv...on astro...it will stretch the image..
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AFAIK there's no way to correctly display astro broadcasts in widescreen since the native resolution of the broadcasts are in regular pan and scan... but if I had any say I'd suggest looking at the Philips Pixel Plus 2 sets. The PP2 engine makes almost anything look good.
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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Feb 26 2006, 04:19 PM)
AFAIK there's no way to correctly display astro broadcasts in widescreen since the native resolution of the broadcasts are in regular pan and scan... but if I had any say I'd suggest looking at the Philips Pixel Plus 2 sets. The PP2 engine makes almost anything look good.
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oh...thx...been to philips web...malaysia wan...but cant find any LCD PP2 Display larger than 30"..it is me didnt look properly or....
today i went to makan in a taiwan restaurant...saw a 32" PP2 LCD...color so nice...but not very good in astro...
agak2 how much 32" PP2??or smaller...
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QUOTE(yikyeou @ Feb 26 2006, 06:30 PM)
oh...thx...been to philips web...malaysia wan...but cant find any LCD PP2 Display larger than 30"..it is me didnt look properly or....
today i went to makan in a taiwan restaurant...saw a 32" PP2 LCD...color so nice...but not very good in astro...
agak2 how much 32" PP2??or smaller...
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Again, the latest batch of LCD PP2 sets are gonna set you back at least RM 10 k. I'd also suggest the Sony Bravia series since the Sony DRC is comparably good...but you'll have to test them both out with an S-video in (for astro).
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looking for a good LCD TV HD-Ready 32inch at 4k-6k...recommend??
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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Feb 27 2006, 12:10 AM)
Again, the latest batch of LCD PP2 sets are gonna set you back at least RM 10 k. I'd also suggest the Sony Bravia series since the Sony DRC is comparably good...but you'll have to test them both out with an S-video in (for astro).
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No -ler. test with XBOX with component cables. It's the only way to test HDTV now and push the LCD to the Max!

btw, just bought a new ASTRO decoder since my old one kaput already. Now using S-VIDEO instead of composite to my SONY HDTV (my old decoder S-VIDEO also not working). There is quite significant improvement in the quality.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Mar 2 2006, 12:21 PM)
No -ler. test with XBOX with component cables. It's the only way to test HDTV now and push the LCD to the Max!

btw, just bought a new ASTRO decoder since my old one kaput already. Now using S-VIDEO instead of composite to my SONY HDTV (my old decoder S-VIDEO also not working). There is quite significant improvement in the quality.
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Heheh...I always say try and watch The A Team reruns on your Astro. On my HDTV CRT it looks amazing!

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