Last time whn my fren get his NHC, he also complained like u but now he said dam* save petrol. The engine still new, jalan more and after change engine oil will be better de.

When I first got the car, was driving very carefully not going beyond 3K rpm before first servicing also.
was getting around 10+km/l also... but after servicing, wack like no business and does lots of long distance running, so averaging around 14km/l. Then after change rims to 17" and 205 width tyres, consumption went down to between 12-13km/l

Um going to go for my 4th servicing soon, after change engine oil sure better, that is if I can put my foot higher hahhahahah

I hope so lor...
10.0km/l is really disappointing.
Even my 17 yrs old wira is the same oni.

kons, my suggest just dont too sayang your car and drive to save FC. just drive normal as you like and let the ECU learn your way of driving, from there u will get better FC after ECU understand your driving styles. if u keep drive in FC mode.. later u feel your car under power pula. hehehe! just drive normal, you will get good FC d... no worry.

This post has been edited by geo_seven: Apr 19 2010, 05:53 PM

Agree with what geo_seven mentioned. Just drive normally.

But personally I think it's hard if it's a shared car. Different individual, different driving style. But I think the result will not varies too greatly as well. Just got the car and half a tank can only go 143km. In need to go for the first service.

This post has been edited by jytanx: Apr 19 2010, 06:59 PM

my SA told me the Connext Satellite Tracking around rm2500??!! so cheap.............

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Added on April 19, 2010, 11:31 pmanyone got install

Trunk Tray

Perfect fit. Protects boot floor from spillage of dirt and liquid.

Price: RM200*

*Price includes installation.


This post has been edited by kindaichi: Apr 19 2010, 11:31 PM

Yeah. I got it.
Perfect fit in the boot.
Made of soft rubber, can bend.

Since Honda cars are also known for their resale value,

What do you guys think our cars resale value would be?

I would like to know

How much u bought it??????

I made my own. bought a roll of industrial rubber matt (anti slip, anti oil) for around rm80, took out the original carpet and cut out the shape on the rubber matt, now still got spare to use elsewhere.

but custom cut one is confirmed not as nice as original one rite? only rm200 why dun u just buy it? save the trouble also, they will install for u....rm200 only..........

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Added on April 20, 2010, 10:42 pm

anyone registered this liao????????

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Added on April 20, 2010, 10:43 pmbut custom cut one is confirmed not as nice as original one rite? only rm200 why dun u just buy it? save the trouble also, they will install for u....rm200 only..........

This post has been edited by kindaichi: Apr 20 2010, 10:43 PM

During the early days, my wifey's NHC records 13-14+KM/L now days she easily gets 15+KM/L but
sometimes when I use her car, I get 16-17+KM for every Liter.

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Added on April 21, 2010, 8:10 amCheck it out at mudah.com or Star Classified to get a rough idea.

Been seeing you at Vios thread and we know you are not so satisfied with NHC, probably your expectation is
too high.

This post has been edited by W.ROOK: Apr 21 2010, 08:10 AM

200 lor. Standard price. Can't run far from that.
Original is always more expensive ma.

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Added on April 21, 2010, 9:19 amnothing to install one la.
just put it in and that's it.
but original one will wrapped in plastic lor when it comes, like all the seats, etc.

This post has been edited by kons: Apr 21 2010, 09:19 AM

i want to install connex anti-theft system, so many of them, which one is better ah?

money is not a issue, i just want the best one, but dun know which one is the best...

anyone can recon??

http://www.cobra.com.my/antitheft.htm

Haha, just for discussion.. Old V-Tec more powerful than current V-Tec.. Hate to say I told u so

http://asia.vtec.net/Reviews/4GCityPrev/index.html

Why 4g City (120ps) lose to 3g City (110ps)
the mechanicals of the new 4G City will be the biggest change. The engine remains the 1.5l L15A but is now SOHC i-VTEC. In this case, i-VTEC, like in the R-Series, doesn't imply the existence of VTC which changes valve opening overlap, but rather that the ECU activates VTEC intelligently based on a set of sensor readings, instead of just blindly opening VTEC after a fixed rpm. The biggest upgrade to the L15A is that it now uses what some enthusiasts calls the 'power-VTEC' implementation, i.e. instead of the 12V-16V VTEC system used in the outgoing L15A-VTEC, the new L15A i-VTEC operates 16V full time and has two different cam lobes for the intake valves. One, the 'low-cam (lobe)' operates in low-rpm and mild operating conditions while the 'wild-cam (lobe)' activates when power is needed. In this sense, the new L15A i-VTEC is similar to the original 1990's D15B SOHC VTEC engines in the (JDM) EG8 Civic VTi for e.g., though rated at 120ps, it is still 10ps lower in power than that engine.

Honda has removed the i-DSI engine variant from the new 4G City. While this may seem surprisingly, it really is not because while the L15A i-DSI was designed to deliver better fuel economy (and consequently lower power) than the L15A VTEC, in real-world conditions, the fuel economy difference was trivial. The power disparity however was not trivial and while the CVT gearbox still gave the City i-DSI plenty of oomph, the City VTEC clearly was much, much faster. So with little to gain in fuel economy and lots in performance, the choice is obvious and only the price worked in the i-DSI's favour.

The biggest change in this new 4G City in terms of performance however, would have to be the gearbox. HRT has discontinued use of the CVT-7 gearbox in this new 4G City, replacing it with a normal automatic gearbox. True it is equipped with 5-speeds, the highest spec'ed regular AT in a car of the City's class, but in the end, it is still a normal automatic gearbox. This means the new 4G City no longer has the superb driving flexibility of the outgoing 3G City.

Actually, it is not that straightforward. An aspect of the CVT-7 which affects its performance is its operational characteristic - how HRT programmed it to work. Bear in mind that this is not a real 'weakness' per se, but rather a function of how the CVT-7 is designed to operate. What I am referring to is the rather 'soft' (some would call it 'weak') take-off of the CVT-7. By this, I am referring to the fact that from standstill, no matter how much throttle we give the engine, the City has a rather indifferent take-off, lack-lustre might be a good description. Actually this characteristic is pretty much in all of the 5AT gearboxes equipping Honda's current models. From what I understand, Honda intentionally programmed a 'soft' take off because they don't want a 'rocking horse' effect, especially in slow moving or start-and-go traffic. By this 'rocking horse' effect, what is meant is that the car more or less 'jerks' forward when the throttle is pressed and if traffic is a painful stop-and-go, this means harder than normal braking is needed almost immediately lest the car rear-ends the one in front. So in this kind of driving, it can be quite unpleasant on the occupants (not so much driver but more the passengers) as the car charges and then stops quite suddenly each time traffic crawls forward a few metres. So Honda designs the gearbox to engage gradually so that even with heavier than normal throttle, the take-off is gradual and smooth and consequently, the brakes don't have to pushed so hard to stop the car shortly after.

When one wants to 'get a move on' however, and especially from standstill, this characteristic can be a hinderance. Apparently, the start-up clutch on the CVT-7 accentuates this. The new 4G City uses a regular 5AT gearbox which of course uses a torque converter and this engages stronger than the CVT-7 with its start-up clutch. So expect more 'urgency' from the gearbox when giving the throttle a harder than normal push from standstill.

In real-life driving what this translates to is a false sense of 'power' from the engine. Of course the new L15A i-VTEC is 10ps more powerful than the L15A VTEC (120ps versus 110ps). But in truth the amount of low end torque/power difference is going to be little or none. However, it is the better 'bite' of the 5AT and the subsequent 'surge' of the car to heavy throttle inputs that will make the uninitiated feel that the new 4G City is 'more powerful'. Unfortunately, this won't last because the 5AT just won't have the flexibility of the CVT-7. And so once moving, the engine will have to climb through the rpm band upon each gear-change. What it means is that when pushed hard, the engine will now feel like it runs out of breath faster compared to the old L15A VTEC with the CVT-7 (which would be running constantly at 6000rpm all the time, like it never runs out of breath). So the feeling of 'more power' on the new City will quickly give way to complaints of 'lack of power' when we push it hard, eventhough the new L15A i-VTEC do actually have more power in the high-rpm than the old L15A VTEC. Bear this in mind because there is a very good chance that you will be reading vastly contrasting reviews, some proclaiming the new City to be more powerful while others will probably be complaining about a lack of power from the new engine.

Performance is of course not totally defined by just acceleration alone. Braking is a much more important element of performance and for the new City, I do expect an improved braking system, especially in terms of braking 'feel', even if only just a little bit. Bear in mind that Honda's brakes are not exactly universally loved by enthusiasts and many, especially I myself, have always felt that Honda needs to do a lot better in the brakes department.

One area which I am quite confident of all round improvement in the new 4G City, compared to the 3G City, is the suspension. In terms of ride quality, handling, and stability, I expect the new 4G City to be much improved over the old 3G City. This has been proven even in the mid-term MMC for the 3G City and with the ability to actually improve the geometry and design of the suspension (rather than just change specs of the components), I am quite confident of a lot of improvement in this area.

well, it costs SGD200 here. it's just a piece of rubber/plastic to protect water spills or when carrying some wet stuff or stuff that can make the boot wet (iced meat, groceries). Took me 10mins to trace and cut it out with a knife, 10mins, save SGD200, why not

Just searched around Mudah and I found most of them are new Maybe I'm not good with searching.

Yeah If Vios is considered high on expectation, then I guess I was. Don't get me wrong, City is still a nice car but it doesn't suit my preference for everyday driving.

I hope no one is offended

just go to any 2nd hand car dealer shop and ask..
nobody knows it better than them.

Recently a friend of mine told me it's better to start from D3-D.
And I've been applying this in my daily drive.
I realize it's faster from 0-60km/h.

But whenever i'm at the traffic light, I need to drop from N-D-D3. I wonder if I keep doing this, the gearbox will ''kong'' quickly? One of my friend been doing on his FD2 for a few years and nothing happen so far. Need advice asap. TQ!~

Just whack it and FC will be ok.. I think your effort to keep it below 3k rpm is the major prb to high FC

I did about the same as you but i uses coil mat .
Now got questions if it's worth the effort? I buy a huge roll of it and customised my own coil carpet mat as well. About RM450 for 1 midi mpv, 1 nhc and 1 van inclusive of boot mat for mpv and nhc.

it's design to be that way. No harm to gearbox. Maybe some wear and tear.